Man, they really are the complete opposites of PD aren't they? HEY KAOS. You better watch out! 
 
Discuss, I guess. Where's the wiki page!?

It was just "annouced" and nothing was said, I don't think we need a wiki page as soon as fucking possible.

Can't fucking wait dude!

Why are you calling me out?   
 
I don't care...and considering that GT5 outsold the top selling Forza game in it's first 12 days, the majority of driving fans don't care either.

wuts up with callin people out :o
 
it looked...good?  I guess?  Dunno, no gameplay.  The logo looked like Forza 3 tho.

I bet there will be cars. 
 
Also, customization?

" It was just "annouced" and nothing was said, I don't think we need a wiki page as soon as fucking possible. "

Looking forward to this, naturally. Here's hoping there's some major additions to Forza 4, like weather on all tracks, day-to-night cycle on all tracks, open-wheel cars, or more than eight in multiplayer. Hoping for one or more of those, but more of Forza 3 with more tracks and more options would be enough to ensure a purchase for me.
 
Race Night will never die!

" Man, they really are the complete opposites of PD aren't they?"

" @KaosAngel:  this is why I hate GT5 fanboys "

" @Baillie said:

" Man, they really are the complete opposites of PD aren't they?"

I'm not sure that we should be applauding a company's ability to churn out sequels.  I can't really tell if that's what you're doing, though. "

Doesn't matter.  GT5 was obsolete 4 years ago.

I just bought Forza 3. 
 
Fuck.

" I bet there will be cars. "

" When they're as good as the Forza series, then what's the problem? 
 
 I'm pumped! (still need that last achievement on 3, though...) "

I'm assuming they're trying to capitalize on the failure of GT5. 

" @CptBedlam: ...but people who drive and race love GT5.  Just people you don't, doesn't mean the driving community hates it.  Professional drivers have stated GT5 is the best driving sim out there, and when the world's top driver Sebastian Vettel goes on record with it, it doesn't matter at the end.  Just because casuals can't keep it, doesn't make it any less.  Sure gamers hate it, but people who drive cars love it.  GT5 has always been about the hardcore driving simulation.  Let me know when F1 drivers go on record on saying how good Forza is.  "

" @CptBedlam: ...yeah, cause Vettel admits he enjoys GT games more than the official F1 games.  It has nothing to do with marketing, even before GT5, F1 drivers have said they prefer GT during their free time.       Again, let me know when F1 drivers admit to enjoying a Forza game.  Surely Microsoft's big money can do it, right? "

Also, there a Top Gear logo at the end of the trailer.

" @CptBedlam: ...yeah, cause Vettel admits he enjoys GT games more than the official F1 games.  It has nothing to do with marketing, even before GT5, F1 drivers have said they prefer GT during their free time.       Again, let me know when F1 drivers admit to enjoying a Forza game.  Surely Microsoft's big money can do it, right? "

" @CptBedlam: ...whatever bro.  Everyone said GT5 wouldn't sell and there was no community for it, and it ended up outselling the top selling Forza game in the first 12 days while also becoming the top selling PS3 exclusive, despite having the worst launch in gaming history and middle ground reviews.  You can say whatever you want, I'll be enjoying GT5 with my G27 racing wheel and 7.1 audio.   "

" @JJWeatherman:  Sure, but after awhile the updates become too frequent and incremental to really get anyone excited about the game.  Even if it is good.  "

" Everyone said GT5 wouldn't sell... "

" Also, there a Top Gear logo at the end of the trailer. "

That trailer is a bigger nothing than the Del Toro trailer and that game is coming out in 2013.  Logo's cool.

Again, are you all just morons with thumbs up your asses? Or do you really believe that you can only like one or the other? I don't understand this shit.

Remember that one time you had to unlock damage in Gran Turismo? 
 
I'll bet that's not a feature in Forza.

I wish I wasn't so bad at racing games. I'd be more excited.

" @EvilTwin said:

" @JJWeatherman:  Sure, but after awhile the updates become too frequent and incremental to really get anyone excited about the game.  Even if it is good.  "

I don't know about you, but a Forza game every 2 years is absolutely peeeerfect. Perfect amount of time. "

" @CptBedlam:  and when the world's top driver Sebastian Vettel goes on record with it, it doesn't matter at the end.

" Again, are you all just morons with thumbs up your asses? Or do you really believe that you can only like one or the other? I don't understand this shit. "

I would like some more Forza.  I have GT5 from gamefly, and i just can't get into it like I did Forza 2, and more so, Forza 3.
I hope they keep with the ability to pick cars I like, and be able to race them in whatever events are available, like in Forza 3.  I am not sure why the Forza games worked so well for me, but, I would probably buy Forza 4 sometime in the first week of its release. 

" @EvilTwin: Yeah, you say that. Then there's games like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Uncharted... "

" GT5 Sucks!!! Just kidding couldn't help my self after seeing the fanboy war going down in here.  Anyway going back on topic I have been trying Forza 3 for awhile now and starting to get the hang of it and love how it gives non-hardcore racing game fans away into the genre (always wanted to try and get into the genre and never could really get the hand of other games). So I a optimistic for this game and I hope they add cool features to it. Also why is it always when two games are in the same genre that if you like one game you have to consider te other one crap? "

so only game footage shown in the trailer during the VGA's was the same that we all saw during their E3 demo with the kinect