Ryan was right, Kratos is a DICK! (spoilers)

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#1  Edited By fooflighter737

I never played GOW I or II, but the story in III is easy enough to follow...
 
Ryan was correct in his assessment of Kratos, he is a major dick..
 
Haven't finished it yet so it may be important for the story arc, but I would have preferred some type of decision making tree branching system of morality...be good or bad Kratos and  let the decisions guide where the path leads rather than be a Dick for Dick's sake and extol your Dickness in every Dickheaded decision you make.  Granted the developers want Kratos to be a certain way to fit their story, but I get pulled out of the immersion when

 
There I said it :)
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#2  Edited By Vitor

It's also freaking awful when you get a trophy titled 'I didn't do it... but I wish I had!' straight after, thus assuming that all the people playing the game must be horny 14 year old boys with a lack of empathy. 
 
I hated that section of the game - it was slow, dull, repetitive and completely illogical. Although kicking demon dogs never gets old.

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#3  Edited By sdauz

kratos always seemed like a douche...wait he is a douche! he kills and kills, guess where that got him?

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#4  Edited By abdo

HAHAHAHAHA, my brother just did that yesterday, and I have to say, I agree. Not for that specific event, but for when  

I would have preferred being given a choice there.
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#5  Edited By Shadow

How are you just realizing this now?  You don't remember that caged soldier you burnt to a crisp in the first game?

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#6  Edited By Quacktastic

He was a dick from the very start of GoW1 when he threw the Captain down the Hydra throat.  It's kind of his thing.

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#7  Edited By Ecinsiefil
@Shadow said:
" How are you just realizing this now?  You don't remember that caged soldier you burnt to a crisp in the first game? "
@chughes737 said:
" I never played GOW I or II"
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#8  Edited By Crey93

Maybe he should join a anger management class now that he killed every single being that stood in his way.

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#9  Edited By zombie2011

The worst is  
 

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#10  Edited By RipTheVeins

I think his anger was somewhat justified in the first game, and then in the second to a lesser extent... but now? Yeah, Kratos is just a fucking dick.  I mean all of the shit that's happening is because of him seeking revenge for his wife and kid because he was a selfish prick and decided to have Ares grant him the power to win that one battle since he knew he would have died without it...  And he wonders why everyone is trying to screw him over.

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#11  Edited By RobotHamster

Well since you haven't played the first two your missing out on alot of stuff, though he's still his happy self.  Also that tree branching stuff just wouldn't work for this type of game, that would just probably ruin it for people playing it since the first.  Besides, this is a set story that follows kratos' story so of course you can't change the outcome, just like mario or zelda you have to save the princess, or most shooters where you have to shoot everything in the room to pass, sure kratos dosen't have to be a dick about it but its fun to watch.  And since you haven't finished it then you should because you'll see a different side of kratos, kinda.

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#12  Edited By Rhaknar

i liked GOW3 but yeah...Kratos is a dick, and most of the stuff he does is completely unwarranted, it kind of annoyed me at times.

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#13  Edited By turboman

Kratos does what he feels he has to do..... if there is someone in the way, chances are, they will die. 
 
Which is why it feels odd when pandora is around...

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#14  Edited By Moeez

The only thing that would make Kratos the most dickish character ever made would be, if he raped Pandora (Greeks were pedos), and stuffed her back into the box. 

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#15  Edited By popmasterruler
@zombie2011: 
 
 
To be honest it was in self defense
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#16  Edited By LackLuster
@zombie2011:  You don't have to bang his wife (?) and he attacked kratos so I don't find it that bad.
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#17  Edited By Sintano

Yup, Heph attacked him.  If ya attack a guy and fail, expect to be fucked up for your trouble.  I enjoyed giving him that ass whuppin.  Also, Aphrodite, goddess of love or whatever, fucked ANYONE she wanted to cuz that's how she rolled.  She banged Ares, Adonis, and a bunch of other mortals and non-mortals.  Aphrodite is what one could call a "ho" so why must Kratos be a dick for tapping an ass that everyone on olympus has gotten a piece of.  It's not like Heph and Kratos were buddies and hell, i'd tap it too.  
 
Also, as far as Kratos overall actions, I see it like this.  Most people are looking into the story from the rational non-rage/pain/depression mind.  So yea, to us, we get a few "what the fuck, really?" moment.  But from the character perspective, what he is doing makes sense and everybody gets exactly what they have coming.  Frankly, most of the gods were dicks, rapists and engaged in much kung-fu treachery so far as I'm concerned, they had it coming.  While the world suffers some from his revenge rampage, Hope is spread into the world and given to humans, just like when Promothesus gave man fire,  and seeing Athena walk after disappointed did my heart good.  So...fuck the gods, GG kratos, and go Broncos.

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#18  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

of course, Kratos has no real redeeming qualities.

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#19  Edited By emkeighcameron
@Moeez said:
" The only thing that would make Kratos the most dickish character ever made would be, if he raped Pandora (Greeks were pedos), and stuffed her back into the box.  "
There's a joke in there somewhere about stuffing Pandora's box, but I can't quite make it work.
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#20  Edited By Signpost
@emkeighcameron said:
" @Moeez said:
" The only thing that would make Kratos the most dickish character ever made would be, if he raped Pandora (Greeks were pedos), and stuffed her back into the box.  "
There's a joke in there somewhere about stuffing Pandora's box, but I can't quite make it work. "
I am pretty sure the joke about stuffing her box was covered by the rape part of the comment.
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#21  Edited By EVO
@WilliamRLBaker said:
" of course, Kratos has no real redeeming qualities. "
Well, he's persistent. At least give him that.
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@zombie2011: oh come on. The guy freaking deserved it. he started it..
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#23  Edited By swamplord666

he's the very embodiment of an antihero. he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. But the gods around him are pompous assholes as well. 
The thing that people love about him is his ruthlessness and everyones inability to stop him.

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#24  Edited By Skald

Naturally. Kratos sucks, and Ryan is awesome.

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#25  Edited By habster3

I know, that part was messed up, but I was thinking "Quit calling me 'Lord Kratos!'"

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#26  Edited By WilliamRLBaker
@emkeighcameron said:

" @Moeez said:

" The only thing that would make Kratos the most dickish character ever made would be, if he raped Pandora (Greeks were pedos), and stuffed her back into the box.  "
There's a joke in there somewhere about stuffing Pandora's box, but I can't quite make it work. "
what does being a pedo have to do with it? Since Pandora was the first woman given to mankind in the myth she was not a child...
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#27  Edited By RsistncE

Sure Kratos pulled a lot of dick moves, but nothing he did was ultimately something he did just to be a dick. In the end he was committed and was willing to do ANYTHING that needed to be done to achieve his ends. That's why he's up there with some of the best video game characters of all time.

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#28  Edited By sjschmidt93
@zombie2011 said:
" The worst is  
 
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#29  Edited By MetalGearSunny

This is why I never got into the God Of War games. I think they're just stupid. 
 
Don't get me wrong, blood and gore is good, but in God of War it all seems so pointless.  
 "Why am I stabbing this dude? I don't know, but man is it fun!" 
 
At least give me reasons why I'm doing all these things. 
 
 
...don't even get me started on the sex parts.

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#30  Edited By RsistncE
@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" This is why I never got into the God Of War games. I think they're just stupid.  Don't get me wrong, blood and gore is good, but in God of War it all seems so pointless.   "Why am I stabbing this dude? I don't know, but man is it fun!"  At least give me reasons why I'm doing all these things.   ...don't even get me started on the sex parts. "
...there ARE reasons. I imagine it would be hard to know this if you haven't actually played any of the games :S
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#31  Edited By habster3

@Metal_Gear_Sunny: Dude, those sex parts are the BEST PART OF THE GAME.

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#32  Edited By MetalGearSunny
@RsistncE: But when you play a God Of War game do you pay attention to the story at all? You might, but I grantee you that 90% of the people who play that game don't give a shit. They're just in it for the gory hack-n-slash.
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#33  Edited By MetalGearSunny
@habster3 said:
" @Metal_Gear_Sunny: Dude, those sex parts are the BEST PART OF THE GAME. "
It's stupid! I have never had sex, BUT, the way it is presented in the game is unrealistic and idiotic.
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#34  Edited By habster3

@Metal_Gear_Sunny: Not entirely true; it is likely that a lot of people who know mythology well like to notice all of the altered details in the story; the changes are actually pretty interesting and cool.

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#35  Edited By leviathan

I find it ironic that Ryan so fiercely complains about Kratos being a dick when he himself is also a dick. By his own admission.  
No, i'm not a GOW3 fanboy. Haven't even played any of them.

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#36  Edited By MetalGearSunny
@habster3: But how many people is that compared to all of the horny teenagers who also play the game?
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@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" @habster3 said:
" @Metal_Gear_Sunny: Dude, those sex parts are the BEST PART OF THE GAME. "
It's stupid! I have never had sex, BUT, the way it is presented in the game is unrealistic and idiotic. "
Yeah... in the second game... I'M KILLING A GIANT ASS STATUE AND MINIONS.  OK NOW I HAVE TO DO TO PLATFORMING TO DO MORE STUFF.  OH LOOK RANDOM CHICKS THAT ARE TOPLESS.  LET'S HAVE SEX.
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#38  Edited By MetalGearSunny
@xobballox: Exactly.
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#39  Edited By Rxanadu

I realized that Kratos was a dick when I was watching a walkthrough on YT, and man does he solidify his position as a dick.  Travis and Lynch aren't even that dickish.

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#40  Edited By nrain

If by dick you mean a hilariously angry dude who will murder anything he sees then yes I agree.

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#41  Edited By RsistncE
@Metal_Gear_Sunny: Well I'm not talking about perception. That could be said for most every game that is accessible to a 14 year old (basically every current gen game). The motivations for Kratos to do what he did in all the games were quite clear, whether or not the player sympathized with him.
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#42  Edited By habster3

@Metal_Gear_Sunny: True, those two things can conflict with each other, but I was talking mainly about the third game, not the second game. In the third game, it is somewhat involved with a portion of the story.

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#43  Edited By Aounslaught
@chughes737 said:
I would have preferred some type of decision making tree branching system of morality...be good or bad Kratos and  let the decisions guide where the path leads rather than be a Dick for Dick's sake and extol your Dickness in every Dickheaded decision you make.  Granted the developers want Kratos to be a certain way to fit their story, but I get pulled out of the immersion when
 There I said it :) "
You should watch the current Bonus Round episode over on Game Trailers with David Jaffe of God of War 1 fame, Dr. Greg from BioWare fame, and N'Gai Croal(?). I think it's in the first part where David Jaffe explains exactly why there are no branching pathways or decision making in a game like God of War, and the way he explains it, it makes total sense to me and I completely respect their design decision.
 
As for Kratos being a dick, yeah. I will wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment that Kratos isn't the good guy of the God of War franchise, but as far his dick-ishness is concerned, I don't. It's up and down, in my opinion.
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#44  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

LOL Percy Jackson Vs Kratos....
 
I just got done reading the percy jackson 5 book series and while not totally horrible they aren't the best *took a week to read 5 books*  There will likely be a second series but Id laugh at that Percy jackson vs Kratos....Kratos wins...

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#45  Edited By funkyblam

 i don't care how many innocent people he's already killed or how hellbent he is for revenge.. it is NEVER okay to mutilate a hot chick. 
 

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#46  Edited By itsVASH

Quit being pazies, part of the appeal to the god of war franchise is just how over the top and unwaranted all those parts are, like kicking crates instead of just pushing them, even in the original game there was a concept of how you would have a "navi" like thing in the beginning and how it would get slaughtered in the first 5 minutes of the game, sadly it never made it, but point is thats what god of war goes for, being a complete douche is who kratos is supposed to be, anyone kratos loved hes killed, you think he's gona have sympathy or care for anyone... probably not

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#47  Edited By Andorski

Judgmental, much?
 
Have your family die and have their ashes embedded onto your skin.  Then let's see if you have such a sunny disposition. =P

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#48  Edited By apathylad

I recall Justin McElroy from Joystiq writing something about the violence towards women in this game making him a little uncomfortable.

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#49  Edited By FunExplosions
@Vitor said:
" It's also freaking awful when you get a trophy titled 'I didn't do it... but I wish I had!' straight after, thus assuming that all the people playing the game must be horny 14 year old boys with a lack of empathy.  I hated that section of the game - it was slow, dull, repetitive and completely illogical. Although kicking demon dogs never gets old. "
I didn't understand why the trophy was named that until now. I wouldn't have thought they would stoop to referencing rape. Pretty sick.
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#50  Edited By gunslingerNZ

There's certainly a gratuitous amount of violence in the game but I don't think it's directed against women in any great proportion. In fact now I think of it I can't remember a single act of violence against women in GOW 3 unless you count gorgons or the peasants.
 
Edit: just remembered the crush scene now, I think that's the only instance though.

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