@mandude said:
@plaintomato said:
OMG I just realized you are right. The gameplay was bad. Incrementally improved from previous games sure, but the gameplay in those must have been so bad that improvements couldn't salvage it. Too bad all the critics just fell for the hype; if there was even just one single honest reviewer out there I might have been saved from this terrible game. Too bad I'm so thick-headed that I never learn so I'll probably just end up buying GTA V anyway. Lucky for you, you recognize garbage when you see it so you surely won't waste the money.
Now that I realize that all they did between San Andreas and IV was strip features, I've realized that Rockstar is a terrible developer, pinching every penny, rushing development, producing bare-bones product and gouging their fans. It makes me sad to think of all the money I will waste buying their games. Thanks for being right, sadly I'm a lost cause but hey, you tried.
You are putting a lot of strong words in my mouth. It's hard to tell who you are lampooning here, because it certainly has no basis on anything I've said.
Perhaps you quoted the wrong person?
Nah, I'm just taking your comments - that "gameplay" wasn't something that GTA IV had going for it, and all GTA IV did was "strip features" - to their extreme conclusion. I wouldn't say my comment had no basis in what you said, but the point was the gameplay was pretty damn solid, the scope was huge compared to most anything comparable except for San Andreas, and stripping features is hardly "all they did".
Anyway, I could seriously care who likes GTA and who doesn't; this all started because it's my opinion that the comments about GTA IV being boring, having a bad lead character, and having bad gameplay, are the comments of people who just need something popular to hate on and got bored of knocking the latest COD derivative. I'm hardly the honorable defender of GTA's sancitity, and all Rockstar wants from me is my money - but at least they earned it, which is more than I can say for most games.
@DonutFever said:
Bold #1: You read all the reviews for GTA IV. All of them. And in addition to that, you feel that it getting reviewed well (And later shitted on by most of them, but I'll just ignore that) makes it an objectively good game. Great.
Bold #2: Yes, saying that the improvements were not as large as most games made across generations and what you wrote are exactly the same thing.
#1: Well, I probably read at least one, or at least perused one, some time or other I'm sure. I guess it would be easier to find one reputable review about how terrible GTA IV was than for me to read all of them, so if you're up for the challenge and all...go find it! I'd love to eat my words if you can find someone who has made a reputable career out of their love for video games and thought GTA IV was a sophomore effort suck game.
I'm just looking forward to GTA V, hoping for the quality of IV combined with the scope of San Andreas. Is that so far fetched? Should I just be pining for this year's re-issue of COD or Assassins Creed?
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