I think the poll is missing the true answer.

That being "I am satisfied with my conclusion"

Which in many games would be a cope out. Not providing a clear and exact solution to a puzzle, especially a deductive reasoning one, is very hard to pull off. Her Story however, IMO, does so, quite well. The writing, acting, and nature of the story telling let it get away with a very unique thing in something like this, not giving a right answer.

Seriously think about how the game 'ends'. You are not told to input your solution. Your not greeted with a 'congratulations" after finding the confession video that only comes up with 3 secret key words or anything like that. You are asked if you are satisfied. That's it.

Of course my explaining that breaks the immersion for some people and will more or less be impossible to accept for a number whom expect games like this to have one absolute truth, if only they can figure it out. But upon further reflection of my playing of the game, that is the authorial intent I have decided upon.

I like split personalities, mainly because I thought of it when I wasn't even playing the game. Also, I really like the idea of there only be one mirror.

@mikemcn said:

Judging by the last interview Eve makes it sound like Simon didn't know they where actual twins when he began the affair. She said that he had no idea who she was but that he was fascinated by the likeness while also mentioning he never said he was married. This made me think he could've talked about how she looks exactly like someone he knew while not mentioning Hannah. It wasn't cheating for revenge because he didn't find out that they were twins and that Eve was pregnant until the night he died (their birthday). Hannah put the pieces together when she told him about her pregnant twin and the look on his face once he realized it was more than just a passing resemblance gave him away.

@mikemcn There's a clip or two where Eve talks about how shy Hannah was compared to her, which meant that Eve had to play the more confident aggressive role with the guys her sister liked and Hannah could still be her shy self when it was her turn. When Hannah fell in love with Simon however she refused to share.

Search Term(s): "I DID IT"

(I admit, I tried it.)

I voted on twins before reading this thread, and you convinced me, it all makes too much sense.

Specially because of the two last videos where Eve says Hannah is gone and is never coming back, and that they can't arrest her because she doesn't exist (she burned her fingerprints, how convenient). But I think she's a psychopath, she does not have multiple personalities, it was all carefully planned and made up.

There's one video where she says that she did not tell about the glasgow thing because she WANTED the police to suspect her and not rule her out right away, and this is the same thing that she does with the twin story, she plays the part and then in the end admits she was lying "Yeah, you got me, I was lying, I'm not hannah, now excuse me while I get the fuck out of here".

There is no one else alive to prove that she is lying; she killed simon, she killed her parents, the rest of the people mentioned (Eric, Simon's parents...) never knew about her.

After rewatching some clips, she claims she got to Glasgow and slept in the car that night. Then she woke up to a rubbish truck sometime later and started driving again. That's when she was in the accident and went to the hospital.

It depends on how close the murder and hospital trip were. She easily could have fudged the time of the murder to make sure her alibi worked. Or there were two of them and one really was in Glasgow when the murder happened.

Guessing this is how almost all discussions will end. It's just vague enough to leave the door open to both possibilities. Great writing.

Well do we even know when the murder took place? From what i can tell the time of murder is just guessed from Simons clock that had "stopped at the time of the murder" and the girls openly admitted using the clock as false evidence was there plan all along.

I had thoughts of it being disassociate identity disorder, but later disregarded it as being incorrect, given that it didn't really make sense. Hannah and Eve seem a lot more like twins than different personalities. Twins are usually very similar people that have their own small individual differences; people with DID often have very discreet personalities and don't usually collaborate with one another.

I guess this thread has made me reconsider this though. One thing that always gets me is how a midwife could just pretend one twin is dead without anyone noticing.

Regardless of being twins or the same 'person' was the murder premeditated or was it purely lashing out in rage?

Hearing Eve speak of the events she absolutely has the motive to remove Simon from the equation so she can be back to sharing her life with Hannah. Was Eve meeting with Simon, and her ultimate pregnancy, planned to lead to this point of conflict? Or was Eve merely taking advantage of the timing of the 'murder' so both Hannah and Eve could conspire to create a false alibi in Glasgow and throw doubt on the investigation?

Hannah seemed to show genuine regret and sadness for killing Simon and had no clear desire to kill him outside of the reactionary "you cheated on me".

But with Eve clearly laying out the details of the story leading up to and after the murder she seems to be throwing Hannah under the bus while trying to absolve herself of any involvement. As mentioned before does she go to prison with Hannah as an accessory, assuming they're twins? Because if they are one 'person' then she pretty much doesn't have a leg to stand on with that being a pretty solid confession.

I loved the game and the discussion coming out of it, it really has been a great surprise coming out of the heady AAA announcements of E3.

@brightside: yeh well that kind of is the idea for the girls. Hannah takes the blame and go into hiding while Eve becomes their new "real person". The police either has to prove they are the same person or find Hannah before they put anyone in jail.

Wow, I expected the poll to be heavily in favor of the twin theory. Goes to show how well nuanced the writing is that both ideas are convincing.

In 1984 Eve was living in the attic of a house with two people who think their daughter is living somewhere else, getting STDs from strangers trying to get pregnant and despising the sister that abandoned her. Eve, at this point, has to become "the Ghost of 31 Hardstone St.". Also, starving to death. It's easy to think that she does have motives to kill her parents. However, I find that hard to believe.

It's impossible to "prove" anything when all the words of the story are flat out written, so all we have left are subtleties. I don't get the feeling that Eve murdered her parents. She looks honestly confused, and a bit upset, when she talks about it. Hannah, however, does look like she blames Eve. She knows Eve had motives. She knows his father wouldn't mess up. And she says the words with resentment, made me think that she's saying something more than the spoken words there.

The real confusing question for me is why would they take turns to go to the police. I understand there wouldn't be a game there, but that's just a stupid idea, that's putting the answer in front of them. Unless... She's just one girl trying to incriminate a nonexistent twin sister!!

Also, why does everyone think watches stop when you die. I never get that.

Unfortunately we know that there must be two mirrors, because the police have one of them in one interview as evidence.

@mechamarshmallow: I always thought that was a smaller shard of the smashed mirror; the murder weapon. It's such an irregular shape and weird size that I never thought of it as anything else. Unless you're talking about a specific mention of them having another mirror somewhere else.

@eccentrix said:

It looked to be in an oval shape to me, like a hand mirror. Also, the way that it was talked about, it did not seem like the police had a compelling reason to think it was the murder weapon. Eve and/or Hannah probably disposed of the shattered mirror, because it would be an obvious murder weapon considering that his throat was slashed with a piece of it. If it was a shard, it seems strange to me that they didn't pursue its potential as a murder weapon harder than they did.

@mechamarshmallow: Oh yeah, "You have no murder weapon. You have nothing." Still, I like the idea.

Is it ever mentioned whether or not Hannah plays the guitar? She says the guitar is hers at one point, but Eve's the only one who plays on video. If Eve is the only one who plays, how plausible is it that she got good enough to play professionally with the constraints she would have had for practice? She couldn't practice in the attic on her own and she wouldn't've been able to play at all the whole time she was living alone with the parents.

From what Eve says in the end, she left the house and got her own life and her tattoo 6 months after Hannah and Simon moved to the house. That would be 1985, and that would give Eve 9 years to practice guitar.

@catlicker: That makes sense. Thanks!

One more thing about the mirror that I always noticed but only processed fully when watching the clip a few times: Hannah says "It's the perfect mirror for someone who doesn't like to look at their own reflection." then lifts it up and smiles. There is a dramatic shift in mumbling tone and negativity towards the reflection to energy and happiness that I would put down to a change in personality. She perks up and Eve's love of her reflection shines through. You don't say "I really don't like this food" and then cheerfully start eating it. Even if this isn't evidence of anything, it seems so deliberate that I'm sure it was meant to be thought of that way.

@undefined: they're definitely twins. Two people. I'm starting to think they're both sociopaths. It's hard to tell. At first I thought Eve killed EVERYBODY. I'm pretty certain she killed Florence and killed Hannah in the end. Hannah definitely killed Simon, whether she meant to or not, who knows. It's slightly possible that Hannah killed her parents and just left Eve out of it (Eve was sick at the time and maybe too weak? She acted so convincingly confused as to why her father didn't recognize the death cap and ate it... I don't know.) They both had serious mental issues. I'd say Eve was more "damaged" but maybe they're both sociopaths in their way.

They swap clothes and they hit eachother. I can't see how that makes sense for someone with DID.

But then again, that's only stuff mentioned in stories by Eve. They're just that...stories.

SPOILERS!!!! (if I actually understand anything) Do not read if you are starting this game, or even in the middle of it.

My first impression was that Eve is a construct, or actually became one-half of a fully developed personality disorder. But that does not mean Hannah is the one left in the end. There is so much info to work with, some contradictory, much which cannot really be proven where I am yet.. I will go back over it, quality tattoos can be temporary, and so much else.

I do wonder this, if at the end Eve discovered the murder, and helped Hannah hide the body for discovery afterwards. Simon would quite purposely come to surface later because it was better that way.. And in their love/hate profound co-dependent state, Eve has done her best to protect Hannah. In fact Eve, perhaps the virtual personality at first, now perhaps absorbed Hannah into their Her(their) own being.

Eve will now handle the outside reality, Hannah has fled inside or has physically 'died' (which would be messy). The important thing for the 2, bought as usually by a lot of angst and divided needs and jealousy, is that there is a baby. Between Eve and Hannah, those 2 will share their baby, though the outside world may never see Hannah again. Simon, besides the usual load of grief and conflict, has done his princely duty, gotten Eve pregnant. Simon did his work of a regal drone.And I think, for the twins or at that point whatever they were, Simon submitted his Final contribution to the bond the 2 personalities or twins (to a fatal fault) had. Simon was asking to be cast away. And cast away he was.

My dissatisfaction s of where Hannah is. Is she one twin dead, or fully gone inwards.

I have not proven to myself the overwhelming proof for either stance. These 2 ladies were very psychosomatic, periods on the same time, all that implication. Remember, because Eve said she did a lot of screwing around, does not mean Eve did anything she said. Now what happened to her parents, and also to Florence if that was for real, is much, much darker. I think these 2 personalities or twin killed for each other. After all, they loved each other.

I need to do more queries.

Also Hannah got pregnant again after she thought she was infertile. Simon had a bit of a freak out and finds a beautiful blonde "Stranger".

After Hannah gets married after getting pregnant she loses the baby, during the same phase 'Eve' is going out and fucking strangers, she gets very sick from and STD and Hannah miscarries.

Also Hannah totally killed her parents for forcing her into a shotgun wedding.

@mechamarshmallow: why would the mirror be shattered?

The thing they talk about in the interview is that the police found residue from the mirror in Simons wound. The "other mirror" has only been mentioned in Eves stories at the end.

I was going to choose it's actually really poorly written and not well acted but that wasn't an answer.

The game is a really cool concept I just don't see why everyone enjoys it's plot at all.

I don't know why people keep saying they didn't explain the attic because they did. Choosing to believe it is up to you of course.

Eve at one point does change her coffee order. The first two or three times it's no sugar then in the last it's 1 sugar 1 cream.

I'm also somewhat curious as to just how old Sarah is/when exactly the game takes place. After 2000 some point obviously with the Y2K mention. Surely it's not modern day as a police station would've updated their Windows. This appears to be Windows 2000 or 98 at best. If it was say, 2007 they would've moved the records to Vista using computers, yeah? So there's a 7 year old digging through this stuff? That doesn't seem right.

@penderton: I have a feeling that it's supposed to be present day (so, she's probably twenty). Going by how things are worded, it seems like you're using an old computer that's in storage; they probably have a new system up and running that deals with current cases.

@penderton: i dunno where this is (england probably) but the police around here runs an old clunky windows xp system and it kinda took them 5years to update it to that.

Cases from the eighties you totally has to rummage through local dusty archives to find.

What I got from it was that Eve always wanted to be Hannah even though they were twins, or at least be someone else or have what Hannah had.

Eve cut her hair to be like her reflection in the mirror so she could go on adventures but never could, she wanted a baby but couldn't while Hannah just got pregnant making her even more jealous. Eve put on a wig and Hannah's clothes and pretended to be her when Simon got home from work( Hannah was in Glasgow at the moment I believe)

Simon, Hannah's husband working in glass made a mirror for Hannah because that's what Hannah always wanted, a mirror like those out of fairy tales, she loves fairy tales. Eve for some reason I didn't get to got angry, broke the mirror, wove it around to scare Simon but instead got his throat open. Hannah tells you it was an accident probably because she got it from other sources but Eve admits she did it "for the baby" so again wants something she can't have of her own. That baby later miscarriages 8 months later for unknown reasons.
Eve also confesses that she planted the watch Alibi that matches the Glowgow time.

And there's this weird sub plot of her parents dying of food poisoning while Hannah was asleep when she was young.

I was thrown off the twins theory when I searched the term "twins". The first two videos are of her scoffing and laughing at the question and saying something to effect of "are you really asking me that question?".

Also that there is very little mention of sister until the very last interview, we hear reflection and friend far more often. One of the last clips is Eve saying "my sister is gone and is never coming back" with a wry smile. So I read this as Eve has either gotten rid of/killed the Hannah part of her personality or that Hannah has run away.

At some point I was running off the theory that Hannah wears her hair up, and Eve wears her hair down. But I ain't no fancy hairdresser and some of her hairstyles seem to land somewhere in the middle so it's hard to know which is which in those cases.

I'm going with Eve is the evident observable survivor also. Though Eve herself may have been born from Hannah's psych. And Hannah doesn't have to be dead. Eve and Hannah's most important thing to them, was each other. They now have an impending baby to share. Eve (the confident one) is simply the one who presents herself to the world. This is what I suspect. Hannah will still be there to drive, so to speak. Perhaps.

Eve couldn't get pregnant sleeping with randos because Hannah was newly pregnant at the time. Eve's pregnancy with Simon was after the miscarriage.

Eve admits that her alibi was set up and not real, so using the alibi to support twin theory does not hold up.

If you're convinced one way or the other, then just go with that because it's the story you're drawn to, and you don't need other people telling you that the story YOU thought was interesting was actually wrong. Take it for what it is in your own interpretation.

My position is that the potential of a complex, mutually emotionally manipulative, passive aggressive relationship and very complicated, deep love/hate relationship between two sisters is ruined by the idea that 'it was mental illness because the mentally ill are so edgy!' There are too many 'mentally ill murderers' in media, and not nearly enough dark, compelling stories about sisters.

@vocalcannibal: Well mentaly ill is what the media and the world would call two murdering twin sisters that swap places. "Mentaly ill" is such a broad and meaningless phrase like pretty much everything else.

The counter-culture is strong in some people on this board.

I dont know if people have mentioned this, but there are more pieces of evidence that indicate they are twins, as opposed to a person with multiple identities. The bruise for me was an early indication that we might be dealing with two people. The first time Hannah or Eve appears with it, she gives a good explanation of how it appeared. However, a couple of days later (2 days in fact), the bruise is gone, and when asked about it, Hannah/Eve points at the wrong cheek. Now, from the final interview, we know that Hannah confronted Simon disguised as Eve (with a blond wig), while Eve rode to Glasgow to provide for an alibi. During the confrontation Simon slapped Hannah on the face, which would certainly explain why she appears with a bruise on one interview but not the other.

There is a more subtle piece of evidence that points at the twin theory. Early on, when Hannah is asked about the events of Saturday, she gives a detailed step by step account, ending with the people she phoned first, her friends. In a later interview, she is asked again to give a detailed account of Saturday, and what she says is almost identical to her first interview, except now she claims she phoned Simon's parents first. The fact that the first and second accounts she gave were almost identical word for word (except for the last sentence) fit with her story about sharing a diary with the twin to co-ordinate their day.

A final comment - the Glasgow alibi would not work if Eve/Hannah were just one person, and it is never challenged in the interviews. So, as far fetched as it might seem for twins to hide in attics for several years, the twin theory is the most logical to fit all the pieces together. Hannah (who supposedly killed Simon) is still a damaged individual, but that does not discount the presence of her twin.

@krapyrubsnif: Ill give you a short summary of the threads conclusion to your post.

The story fits equaly well with a twin or a twin personality reading a diary. The Bruise and the tattoo and the coffee/tea is certainly indicative but also easily faked.

One of the girls actually being in Glasgow at some point seems to be strengthened by several accounts but there aint anything that proves exactly when the murder took place so that still doesnt give anyone alibi.

Sorry if I missed someone mentioning this earlier, but did anyone figure out their differences in coffee and tea?

I was left with the impression that they're twins, but sometimes when you're talking to Hannah you're actually talking to Eve and vice versa. There are two slightly different versions of their return to the house after Glasgow for instance, but only one of them was meant to have done that? Maybe i'm over thinking it, and again sorry if i'm just repeating someone else theory.

@rethla the question is would a split personality Eve/Hannah confront her husband because she was being cheated by herself? If she does have a split identity and knows it (as it might be implied by the last interview when she says one cannot arrest someone that does not exist), it wouldnt make sense for her to do such a thing. It is more likely that in the end Eve is covering for her sister by pretending to have a split personality (although she does not really pretend- during her interview she is very clear about the existence of twins). So how can people explain the split personality? The bruise could be faked but why do it in the first place? It does not make sense for her to first appear with nothing and then suddenly develop a bruise that mysteriously dissapears after a couple of days. And what about the slight differences in testimony, and the differences in coffee and tea preferences? Whats the motivation for faking those?

@krapyrubsnif: Well weather they are a split personality or twins or just one person telling a story to fake an alibi they all are pretending to be someone they arent. so faking tattoos, hairstyle, drinking habits and bruises lie in their interest.

Where the bruise comes from aint clear. There are 3 accounts of it in the game, first Hanna say she fell, later they say the sisters faught, later they say Hanna was attacked by Simon.

Regarding the discussion saying Simon knew about the twins?

In clip D187, Eve mentions that Simon did not know about Hannah's sister, but that he pieced the dots together at the birthday argument.

The Tattoos seem a pretty clear indication they are two separate people though. Yes the tale is a bit far-fetched but we are dealing with fiction here. That kinda stuff is ok.

I think they're one and the same. The thing I picked up on which might be a load of shit is that Eve says she's a terrible driver, I think she says she couldn't pass her test. Yet she managed to drive from Portsmouth to Glasgow (about a 7 hour drive on a good day) with no incident.

Also, Eve's version of events (Hannah and Simon argue, she kills him while Eve is in Glasgow, Eve has the accident in the morning) doesn't disprove the split personality argument. Hannah/Eve could easily have killed Simon and then drove to Glasgow. She openly admits to manipulating his watch to make it seem more convenient.

@catlicker: If it is a mechanical watch that requires motion or winding, it would die shortly after the wearer's death.

Personally, I try not to focus on what is presented to determine what actually is happening. We have such sporadic and unreliable information it's hard to think that this is a case where evidence actually determines what you think happened. Right now, I'm particularly fascinated with the game of Mirror in the rubbish bin. In general, Othello is played two people against each other, in this game you play both side against yourself. (I think, it was late and at the end of a 4th of july party when we discovered it).

And having to charge it every morning and setting it on time after waking up? Man that sucks. What a crappy present from your boss!

Guys, my head is fucking spinning.

I never doubted for a SECOND during my playthrough that she had a split personality. I just...simply thought that was the intended story. I didn't believe she actually had a twin. So I saw this poll and I was like "are you fucking kidding me? how is this a poll? of course she has a split personality"

........then I read all your replies. holy fuck this game is so well written. It could be 3 things now and I have no idea which one. split personality, twins, or she's a psychotic murderer who made this intricate plan.

wow

I think you can definitively say that they're not twins. Nothing about there being twins is plausible. The biggest indicator is that sending different people to talk to the police about a crime that one of them actually committed is pretty close to the stupidest thing you could do. There is no explanation as to why they'd be switching. The tattoo also pretty strongly demonstrates how they're not twins. She clearly wanted them to see it, and I think that happens the interview after she mentions that she's being recorded. Remember, they see the tattoo because she removes her shirt after she spills coffee on herself. There are also a couple of other minor slip ups that don't make any sense if they're actually twins. The whole twin thing sounds just like a fairy tale, which she happens to be obsessed with, created to give her an alibi.

I'm less sure if she actually has Dissociative Identity Disorder, if Eve has always been a conscious creation of Hannah, or if she has just been created to give her an alibi after she murdered Simon. I'm more inclined to believe that Eve is a conscious creation, mostly because of the inability to keep track of the drink orders.

After finishing the game, I'm fully in the DID camp. Even if she is lying about her backstory, the twins version is too insane to actually be somewhat plausible (she had a twin live in her attic for years and no one noticed?). On the other hand, some of the signs that appear to show us that Hannah/Eve are twins can be explained (the tattoo could be fake) and Hannah's interactions with Eve fit the symptoms of DID (Eve taking over during situations that stress Hannah, like asking out boys).

I think people are reading too much into it. Both situations are pretty implausible and as people on both sides have pointed out there are problems with both theories. I would call these plot holes inherent to both this type of story and the way in which it is delivered. I enjoyed the construction of the game but found the story to be very underwhelming. The big twist was telegraphed way too obviously and it actually got in the way of enjoying the game, even moment to moment. I felt like I was searching based on what I know of these narratives and not by thinking like a detective. There were so many reflection and mirror references along with all the fairy tale references I managed to find the twist by ignoring things like associate names and events and stumbled upon the twist within 20 min of starting by looking at it from a writers perspective instead. A couple of other things like her song which revealed too much and was completely tonally off (do we really expect that police would have a woman sing on guitar as part of the interview). Add to this the idea that maybe the story was meant to be open ended and I feel like its kind of a waste of time to try to work out by deduction and reason whether twins or multiple personalities is the "right" answer. Overall I did enjoy my time with the game, but it is just a shame that the story that was told was far too cliche and ridiculous.

I really don't understand all the complaining about this.The police use various investigative techniques and I don't assume them giving her a guitar is such a stretch (it's also possible that at a certain point they started to suspect that they are dealing with two personalities/people and used it to try and identify each person/personality).

@goonage: that was one of my smaller quibbles but it still seems out of place and was more just another example of the game beating you over the head with foreshadowing, the mirrors, the fairy tales, the song, all these things that filtered through and feature heavily in police investigation footage and that just happen to also have thematic ties to the nature of the plot twist and the crime. It was all just too convenient and overly written.