Is Kinect even the same hardware as Natal?

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#1 Posted by Jost1 (2226 posts) -

What we saw in 2009 at E3 was really quite impressive. Everything revealed in 2010 has been buggy, clumsy, and basically just Wii rip-offs. 
 
Two possibilities as I see it:
 
1. Kinect has been downgraded in terms of its capabilities. Natal turned out to be too expensive to produce.
or
2. Most of the Natal stuff we saw at E3 2009 was fake.

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#2 Posted by psyborg0815 (447 posts) -
@josty81 said:
"2. Most of the Natal stuff we saw at E3 2009 was fake. "
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#3 Edited by Jost1 (2226 posts) -

Kinda sucks to think about, if that's true.
 
It sucks either way though. They were pitching it as a groundbreaking thing.

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#4 Posted by ajamafalous (13529 posts) -
@psyborg0815 said:
" @josty81 said:
"2. Most of the Natal stuff we saw at E3 2009 was fake. "
"
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#5 Posted by buzz_killington (3655 posts) -

Natal was PR and Marketing putting together videos. Kinect was actual demoes and games. Much like the Red Steel first trailer to release transition.

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#6 Posted by Jost1 (2226 posts) -
@buzz_killington said:
" Natal was PR and Marketing putting together videos. Kinect was actual demoes and games. Much like the Red Steel first trailer to release transition. "
It's just interesting that the final product is such a clumsy mess. And that they're going after a market who got sick of motion controls two years ago and whose Wiis are collecting dust. What can possibly make MS think they can sell this thing?
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#7 Posted by vilhelmnielsen (1770 posts) -

Nah dudes, Natal totally could scan a skateboard into any game, but they removed it, because it's a dumb idea!

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#8 Posted by Jost1 (2226 posts) -
@VilhelmNielsen said:
" Nah dudes, Natal totally could scan a skateboard into any game, but they removed it, because it's a dumb idea! "
I won't rest until I can scan a skateboard into any Halo game
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#9 Posted by Chronologist (308 posts) -

The E3 2009 video of Natal (he one with the fighting kid and skateboardscanning) was not an actual tech demo.. It was a showcase to show people what Natal/Kinect could be used for in the future , and the footage shown was not actual tech working.
Of course as we've seen now Kinect probably won't do all that was shown in that 2009 trailer...

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#10 Posted by Malakhii (1444 posts) -
@buzz_killington said:
" Natal was PR and Marketing putting together videos. Kinect was actual demoes and games. Much like the Red Steel first trailer to release transition. "
Not to mention making empty claims meant to get people excited. You have to love companies who do this and then put out something that is shitty compared to peoples inflated expectations. Though I may not be their biggest fan, this is one of the things apple does right, they show it when its done. 
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#11 Posted by ViciousReiven (977 posts) -

I'm almost positive that it will work better than we've been shown, same with the Wii, it sounded and looked bad initially but it worked and developers (well some of them) got better at making games for it. 

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#12 Posted by Jost1 (2226 posts) -
@Chronologist said:
" The E3 2009 video of Natal (he one with the fighting kid and skateboardscanning) was not an actual tech demo.. It was a showcase to show people what Natal/Kinect could be used for in the future , and the footage shown was not actual tech working.Of course as we've seen now Kinect probably won't do all that was shown in that 2009 trailer... "
I'm not just talking about that trailer, most of that was obviously pre-rendered, anyone can see that. 
 
But the stage demos too, were more impressive than what we've seen this year,and some of that seemed like it was live, which made me consider the possibility that the hardware was better back then but turned out to be too pricy to manufacture.
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#13 Posted by hedfone (1747 posts) -
@josty81 said:
" What we saw in 2009 at E3 was really quite impressive.
not quite
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#14 Posted by hedfone (1747 posts) -

 

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#15 Posted by Jost1 (2226 posts) -
@hedfone said:
" @josty81 said:
" What we saw in 2009 at E3 was really quite impressive.
not quite "
I dunno I really liked the painting demo, as well as Milo. Interesting stuff.
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#16 Posted by Diamond (8678 posts) -
@josty81 said:
1. Kinect has been downgraded in terms of its capabilities. Natal turned out to be too expensive to produce.
MS said they took out the processors from the thing.  Now the 360's CPU handles that work.
 
Milo as it was presented was a lie.  Otherwise I didn't think what we saw then was any better than what we saw now.
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#17 Edited by Chronologist (308 posts) -
@josty81:  
Then again, they didn't show a whole lot last year. They showed the ricochet game, the elephant drawing thingy and BAM there it is.. Did they show much more? Mostly it was just avatars moving like the people in front of the camera (Or tried to). EDIT: Milo as well.
This year however they showed more actual games, and in my opinion it is more the games that seem lacking and not the actual tech, which is why the hole thing for me came out as a dissapointment. 
Further down the line, they'll might find some great uses for this in "real" games, but until then this doesn't seem good.
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#18 Posted by Djeffers03 (2537 posts) -

Meh I don't care about that shit anymore.

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