And they have seriously substracted from my enjoyment of the game :(
 
At the start it was great, the faces the clues the interrogations!
Then shit started floating up to the top.
 

1. Mixed Signals

Problem A:

Promblem B:

Here is the fun part:

2. Homicide desk is a JOKE (spoilers)

Cherry on top:

3. Liar liar pants on fire!

And they have seriously substracted from my enjoyment of the game :(
 
At the start it was great, the faces the clues the interrogations!
Then shit started floating up to the top.
 

1. Mixed Signals

Problem A:

Promblem B:

Here is the fun part:

2. Homicide desk is a JOKE (spoilers)

Cherry on top:

3. Liar liar pants on fire!

I had no idea it was the bartender, and I was confused when I found out it was.
 
I guess I just wasn't paying close attention :P
 
By the way, I thought Vice was more interesting than homicide, even though there's less cases.

ps- maybe the homocide desk is designed to FUCK your mind.

Kind of stopped bothering to read at the first sign of all-caps.

I'm with you. I just finished it last night, realized that it was more of a movie rental than a game, and decided to trade it back to Amazon. 

I kind of agree with most of your points, but I still dig this game. The three questions should have been: 
 
 1. Prod for info 2. Insult them for info 3. Got you fucker!

I figured the bartender out pretty early and it made the homicide desk insanely annoying.

They really need to put some more thought into the Truth, Doubt, Lie system.  A lot of games seem to have this problem with the shortened dialogue options, where you don't really know what your character is going to do until after they start berating a person mercilessly when you were trying to be sly.

I agree with all your points, they've soured me on the game. It's very well-made in the relatively unimportant areas but the mechanics are sucky for the reasons you mentioned, amongst others. Also the last desk and its plot events are boring.

I completely agree. After a certain point, I got super confused on interrogations. You pick truth and Cole doubts the person, you pick doubt and he just yells at them. It should say: Ask followup, Rough up the suspect, or Here's why you're wrong. And yes, homicide is a bunch of running around for no reason and every guy in this game has tiny ass feet.
 
That being said, I still really like this game.

Problem A:

NPC will be fidgety as fuck, swallowing, glancing to the side. nervous to all hell. And then the correct question turns out to be: TRUTH
Or the same NPC will state everything with utter conviction and belief, never break eye contact and display all oif the traits that other NPCs have when they tell the truth, correct question: DOUBT 

I've never gotten mixed signals before. And I'm not sure I consider 2 and 3 major issues.

I disagree.  

I agree with pretty much all of your points. 
 
For me the worst offender was when doubting someone would lead to him jumping down there neck and being incredibly rude when I had no intention of ever accusing them of being a suspect.  
 
I think calling it Truth, Doubt and Lie is to broad, I would of much preferred if they had given me more in depth options such as riling them up on purpose or sweet talking e.t.c 
 
Having said all that, it didn't really stop me enjoying the game which has to be a good indicator of just how fucking amazing the rest of it was. 

I've never gotten mixed signals before. And I'm not sure I consider 2 and 3 major issues.

@PrivateIronTFU: I think @Tennmuerti: is a poor arbiter of the truth.  I think that's the problem.

@PrivateIronTFU said:

I've never gotten mixed signals before. And I'm not sure I consider 2 and 3 major issues.

@mfpantst said:

@PrivateIronTFU: I think @Tennmuerti: is a poor arbiter of the truth.  I think that's the problem.

Except that I have provided a specific example, where the person is lying, and if you select truth, Phelps instead of believing the character prods him further, and the said character confirms to you directly that he was lying. But you still get the tick for Truth as the correct answer.

@Tennmuerti said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

I've never gotten mixed signals before. And I'm not sure I consider 2 and 3 major issues.

@mfpantst said:

@PrivateIronTFU: I think @Tennmuerti: is a poor arbiter of the truth.  I think that's the problem.

Except that I have provided a specific example, where the person is lying, and if you select truth, Phelps instead of believing the character prods him further, and the said character confirms to you directly that he was lying. But you still get the tick for Truth as the correct answer.

The only problem I have with that example though, is that I remember interrogating the bowling alley mechanic, and not once was Truth a correct answer.

@PrivateIronTFU said:

@Tennmuerti said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

I've never gotten mixed signals before. And I'm not sure I consider 2 and 3 major issues.

@mfpantst said:

@PrivateIronTFU: I think @Tennmuerti: is a poor arbiter of the truth.  I think that's the problem.

Except that I have provided a specific example, where the person is lying, and if you select truth, Phelps instead of believing the character prods him further, and the said character confirms to you directly that he was lying. But you still get the tick for Truth as the correct answer.

The only problem I have with that example though, is that I remember interrogating the bowling alley mechanic, and not once was Truth a correct answer.

There was one, first or second question I believe.

By the way, I thought Vice was more interesting than homicide, even though there's less cases.

@PrivateIronTFU said:

@Tennmuerti said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

I've never gotten mixed signals before. And I'm not sure I consider 2 and 3 major issues.

@mfpantst said:

@PrivateIronTFU: I think @Tennmuerti: is a poor arbiter of the truth.  I think that's the problem.

Except that I have provided a specific example, where the person is lying, and if you select truth, Phelps instead of believing the character prods him further, and the said character confirms to you directly that he was lying. But you still get the tick for Truth as the correct answer.

The only problem I have with that example though, is that I remember interrogating the bowling alley mechanic, and not once was Truth a correct answer.

There was one, first or second question I believe.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I expected the game to boil down to. Shame to see everyone else agrees.

What bugs me the most is the game's logic when it comes to the dialog. Never know when to lie or doubt

@PrivateIronTFU: It's the last Homicide case before the BD nonsense with letters. Woman who is drunk and killed in the train yard.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I expected the game to boil down to. Shame to see everyone else agrees.

I actually didn't suspect any bartender of any kind during the homicide case. 
 
@drag said:

@FancySoapsMan said:

By the way, I thought Vice was more interesting than homicide, even though there's less cases.

Yeah Vice was much more interesting, not just in the cases but in terms of atmosphere and story as well. Homicide went on too long, got too repetitive and wasn't particularly fascinating to me. 

I disagree.  

                    I actually didn't suspect any bartender of any kind during the homicide case. 
 
@drag said:

@FancySoapsMan said:

By the way, I thought Vice was more interesting than homicide, even though there's less cases.

                   

               

Yeah Vice was much more interesting, not just in the cases but in terms of atmosphere and story as well. Homicide went on too long, got too repetitive and wasn't particularly fascinating to me. 

                   

               

I disagree. I liked investigating dead bodies much more than morphine, even if that sounds kinda messed up. Also, I wanted to kill Roy Earl during every single case. There is not one redeemable quality about him.

                   

               

Last homicide case was actually my favorite case in the game.

Being a police is hard, most people hate you even when they've done nothing. I also figured out the bartender was the killer when he was mentioned a second time but that did not detract from the experience.