I just finished the game. Everyone was loyal, I used everyone recommended by this thread and Mordin still died. Damn, I don't want to have to play through the whole mission again.
Mass Effect 2
Game » consists of 21 releases. Released Jan 26, 2010
After a violent death by an unknown force and a timely reanimation by the human supremacist organization Cerberus, Commander Shepard must assemble a new squad in the seedier side of the galaxy for a suicide mission in the second installment of the "Mass Effect" trilogy.
Guide: How to survive the suicide mission & save everyone?
Does anybody know why using Zaeed Massani as the leader of the second fire team killed him? I'm pretty sure he's been leading teams for decades. The only rational explanation I can think of is because he was DLC, BioWare didn't/couldn't program him to lead any part in the final assault.
" @Napalm: Zaeed's a bounty hunter, he is pretty much a lone wolf in the galaxy really. Despite his alliance experience, he doesn't seem to remember the time he spent there. "I always found this odd though. He was the leader of a mercenary gang so he does have experience as a leader.
Plus, whenever they get around to Kasumi, it seems like she will be able to go into the vents (based on some footage from someone who hacked the game).
So yeah, Zaeed's been a lone wolf for a long time, and from his stories, any teams he has lead/been apart of end up dying with disturbing regularity.
I think Bioware seems to say for example, if a Krogan is 800 years old, if he spent 600 of them battling everything the galaxy could throw at him as a battlemaster, the other 200 he spent being a mechanic, it for some reason means his 600 years of experience is redundant and that his recent 200 years as a mechanic mean he's gonna be the guy who works in the tech challenge of the final mission, his 600 years as a battlemaster don't mean anything for some reason.
So Zaeed even with his experience and everything of being a gang leader, it doesn't mean anything because it never was a recent part of his life. Maybe he's just a badly written character or something.
Did my first playthrough and Grunt, Legion, and Jack died using:
Doors : Legion
Squad Leader #1: Zaeed (non-loyal)
Squad Leader #2: ZaeedEscort: Mordin
Shields: Jack
Second playthrough I made sure to get everyone's loyalty with full Paragon and upgrades and got No Man Left Behind with this setup:
Doors: Legion
Squad Leader #1: Garrus
Squad Leader #2: Garrus
Escort: Mordin
Shields: Samara
My squad #1: Miranda/Thane
My squad #2: Miranda/Grunt
That's not #3 (my setup). I used Miranda and Grunt for the final battle. That's why Mordin died in your case - you didn't leave behind enough tough fighters. I thought I explained random deaths under:" all my charicters are loyal i used setup number 3 Vents: Tali leader#1: Miranda Shield: Jack leader#2: miranda escort: Jacob Boss: Legion - Garrus Mordin died protecting the door while i was fighting the boss.... is there something i did wrong that Mordin died? :/ halp plz "
I even put in an example saying why Mordin died and how I fixed it.Random death of loyal team members - There are certain combinations where a loyal team member dies during the final cutscene for no apparent reason. I found that changing your final team can help solve this. A good general strategy would be to take a weaker team with you to the final battle; just make sure they are all loyal. For the rear guard, leave behind strong characters that can hold their own in a firefight. Characters that work well for this are Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed and Legion. Characters that have a tendency to die in this scenario are Mordin, Tali and Samara/Morinth. The game tallies up some kind of hidden score and your ground team's chances of survival increase if you leave behind more number of tough fighters. Just as an example, on my Insanity playthrough, I used Garrus+Grunt for the final battle and Mordin ended up dead. To fix this, I used Miranda+Grunt instead and everyone survived.
Survived -
Soldier - male sheperd - had everyones loyalty but Zaeed and Jack's
All upgrades possible done.
Legion for vents, Garrus lead both teams, Samara for biotic barrier, Mordin did escort, Samara and Grunt for final battle
Everyone survived.
You need to go with the choices that make logical sense rather than your gut or your desire to see a certain character "prove themselves." I lost Grunt my first playthrough, but no one my second (and that was before I checked out this guide, though on my Insanity playthrough, this will probably save lives).
When I made samara the shield holder everybody surrvived in my small team.
Miranda had made everybody in the first fire team surrvive except legion but that was just because he didn't have the right armor.
Garrus was my second squad leader, no casualties.
Miranda and Grunt were in my last small team and they were both loyal and there fore grunt surrrvived and did not try to kill me. Miranda was crushed after I killed the Reaper. I don't exactly know why she died though.
I used Legion for the vent mission, Samara for the shield, Zaeed for the escort, kept Tali and Garrus with me and had Miranda lead the other squad, everyone survived and all was well in the universe.
Here is what I did in the first run through.
Tubes: Thane (died)
Squad Leader #1: Samara
Squad Leader #2: Samara (died)
Shields: Jack
Escort: Tali
Final Party Members: Garrus and Mordin
I figured that Samara had lots of combat experience under her belt, so I made her the leader with the first and second squads. She got hit by fire the second time, which was enough to kill her.
I sent Tali back as escort, as I thought she might be needed elsewhere.
With the vents, I didn't know what was ahead, so I sent Thane through the vents. He died.
All of my team were loyal. The only ship upgraded I didn't buy was the Dermal Regenerator for the Sick Bay.
2nd attempt...
I went back to a save point created during the mission. Thane still died, but this time I made Jacob the second squad leader. He got hit while leading the second squad, but I'm guessing his body armour saved him.
In the Second run through the final mission.
Tubes: Thane (died)
Squad Leader #1: Samara
Squad Leader #2: Jacob
Shields: Jack
Escort: Tali
Final Party Members: Garrus and Mordin.
I sent tali in the tubes used garrus as the squad leader both times shields were done by samara escort was jacob and final party grunt and miranda
I always expected to take casualties in Mass Effect 2, after losing a team member in the first game. But after completing the mission I wanted to go back and see if I could get everyone through. So I went back to an earlier save file and did the whole mission again.
My re-run of the mission.
Tubes: Legion
Squad Leader #1: Miranda
Squad Leader #2: Jacob
Shields: Jack
Escort: Tali
Final Party Members: Garrus and Mordin
Again, all were Loyal and this time all survived.
On my first playthrough I don't really remember who I sent where but I did lost mordin to the vents for sure.
My second play through I just completed as a vanguard on Insanity and everyone survived. They were ALL loyal and I used
Tubes: Legion
Squad Leader 1: Garrus
Squad Leader 2: Miranda
Shields: Samara
Escort: Mordin
Final Party: Zaeed and Miranda
^^ All were loyal, Vanguard on Insanity
Just thought I'd tell you guys:
I used a lot of different combinations with Jack not loyal (I took Miranda's side during the fight), most importantly the one on the list, and no matter what I did, she died. She was the only one that died each time. I even had Mordin survive every time somehow.
Thank to all of u i have got the achievement. i got everyone loyal except for jack but everyone still alive. just remember jack and miranda doesnt want to work together.
Door: Tali
1st fire squad: Miranda
2nd fire squad: Garrus
Escort: Mordin
Final team: Thane and Miranda or Jack
if u follow this everyone will survive
My setup for Insanity , Jack not loyal, infiltrator, not full paragon.
tech: Legion
Leader#1: Garrus
Biotic: Samara
Leader#2: Miranda
Escort: Mordin
Final squad: Legion+Garrus
Everyone survived.
Thought I'd add mine to this, as I'd never been able to get both Jack and Miranda loyal because of that stupid Bitch Fight.
So this time around I went into the Final Fight with everyone Loyal except for MIranda, this is how it went
Vents: Tali
Leader: Garrus
Biotic: Samara
Leader 2: Garrus
Escort: Mordin
Final Team: Legion and Garrus.
Low and behold, everyone finally survived.
I figured that since Miranda was Cerberus she'd always have a higher Loyalty to the mission, regardless of whether she was Loyal to Shepard, so I just excluded her from everything and it all went fine.
So I will be definately leaving this save alone for Mass Effect 3....mainly because I want Legion usable. He gets way too little time.
Okay so finally after a few attempts I finally got achievement "No One Left Behind", so everyone managed to survive. My first attempt I did this without a guide, and I did everything correctly but Jack died in the end in since I didn't gain her loyalty since siding with Miranda. I was very disappointed since I did everything correctly without a guide. My second attempt I picked Jack and Jacob for the final boss, Jack died again from the fall. So my 3rd attempt I finally decide to look up online to see what I can do to, so I just decide to go weak and change it to casual difficulty since now I'm just going for the achievement, I used my first attempted team.
Vents: Legion
Leader: Garrus
Biotic Shields: Samara
Leader 2: Garrus
Escort: Grunt
Final Team: Tali and Jacob
Sadly Jack died AGAIN. So on my last attempt I used the same team except for Escort I used Mordin instead of Grunt this time and now Jack finally managed to survive, maybe because Grunt is bigger he saved Jack by staying behind xP. But luckily I saved on the last mission to try this many times, I recommend this for the ones who are starting to play Mass Effect 2 just in case your team doesn't survive. Just follow the guide on the first page. And if your having the same problem that I had(referring to Jack always dieing)Maybe try what I did, if you do hope it helps. If your just going for the achievement "No One Left Behind" just switch to casual, you can always change it back afterward. Peace
Doors : Tali
Squad Leader #1 : Garrus
Squad Leader #2 : Miranda (Not Loyal)
Shields : Jack
Escort : Mordin
Final Team: Jack & Tali
no DLC Chars, pretty much almost full paragon, normal difficulty.
First time I took Legion and Garrus on the final team, and used Jacob on the 2nd squad during the biotic episode, and had Jacob lead the 2nd squad. Miranda died this time.
Is it possible to get Miranda Loyal after all that? I'm happy she survived with the rest of the crew, and I thought I was at full paragon but may be some points short.
thanks!!
1st try - Vents - Legion - Squad leader - Miranda both times - Shields - Jack - Final Team - Miranda and Samara
Jack, Garrus and someone else died that I never did catch for some reason
2nd try - Vents - Legion - Squad leader - Miranda both times - Shields - Samara - Final Team - Miranda and Samara
Only Jack died - She isn't loyal by the way
I have followed this guild, but I ran into some problems:
- With 85% paragon I could not keep both Jack and Miranda loyal.
- Could not keep Miranda alive during the last mission even though i did not use her and tried all variations of successful attempts as listed above.
Is there a way I could put off doing her mission after I do IFF to get Legion and not screw up the game?
I just read in forums that you should put off the IFF until you have all your team members and what not.
Thoughts?
Used legion for vents he got destroyed after making it through the first door. Used Samara as first team leader she surived. Used Jack as barrier she also surived. Used Grunt as escort he survied which i didn't expect but it happened. Chose Tali and Jacob to be with Shepard they all survied. Used Miranda as the second team leader she did not make it most likely because i pissed her off when i sided with Jack. All and all it worked out very nice i only lost two team members. I also did this on the evil side of the game if that is how you would put it i didn't exactly follow cerebus throughout the game.
when I played it for the first time, I had no idea how to upgrade, and so on. but fortunately, this game guided me properly during playing. for the record, I never played any type of RPG before. so you can imagine how I went through. in the end, only (?) 4 squad members were died. that's it. I was survived, destroyed collector base. it took 40 hours to finish. that wasn't bad at all for RPG beginner. now, I have finished this game 28 times (all classes, all difficulty levels, all DLC of course). in my opinion, ME 2 is different RPG game. it is more likely combination with shooting. I love this game.
I finished it again today with a Full Paragon Soldier named Nicolas Shepherd. A lil renagade to. But I did it on Insanity
I had Legion do the vents, and Garrus lead the second squad both times, Jack with Implants do the biotic shield, Mordin do the Escort, and my final team as Jack and Tali.
Thanks for this list man, Tali died in my first play-through and I was baffled. I had Jacob do the shield, lol.
this sucks i got to do the game all over to get it and how do u got a girl on it? and jack and Miranda got pissed and i lost the loatly of miranda and did the mission and she die and jack,tail, and garrus
Vents: Tali
Squad Leader 1 & 2: Garrus
Shield: Jack
Escort: Jacob
Final Team: Miranda & Samara
Every character survived. Full Paragon, Veteran Difficulty, All Loyal. etc.
Didn't save the entire crew though. Pretty sure I only did Legion's loyalty mission between the IFF and Omega 4 Relay, so not sure how I messed that up.
I had Miranda, Mordin, and legion die, so i was a tad disappointed since all three of them kicked ass. Miranda became disloyal after her and jack got in a fight and I defended jack, which was a horrible mistake since I was perusing the Miranda relationship, and basically lost it after that. Kind of funny because after her I started going with Tali, but when she asked if i was sure i Said "I dont want to be with you unless its safe" which basically ended all chances with her. Thats not the end though, I always went down to talk with jack because well I did it for every crew member after a mission, and despite me telling her I am not interested I had the option of having a relationship with her before the suicide mission, and denied her.
I had Legion as the vent man, Miranda as the squad leader for the first squad, and I took Samara and the Assassian on my squad. Legion died when we got in the doors despite him being loyal, and i thought i upgraded everything for him as well. Then I chose Garrus to be the escort, and had Jacob in charge of the second squad after that. Samara was on shields and i had grunt and tali as my back up. I chose Miranda and the assassian as my final squad to take on the last sequence.
I wish i never came in this thread because now I want to start a second game, and I literally just started Dragon Age, but i may have to put that on hold now. I was very happy with how my shepard was in terms of upgrades and combat, but as i said i messed up any relationships I had.
In my Strat I was Loyal with EVERYONE yet Thane died on the ship while in route to the suicide mission. And Grunt was Carried away and killed by the reaper swarms AFTER the shielding area of the misson. I used Samara for the shield. Does anyone know where I went wrong?
The rest of my mission consisted of...
Vents - Mordin
Squad Leader 1 - Garrus
Shield - Samara
Squad Leader 2 - Miranda
Escort - Legion
Final Team - Garrus & Miranda
Again The only members that Died were Grunt and Thane.... Any advice
Thank you!
If someone dies on the ship before you land it's because you're missing upgrades for your ship. You'll want the armor, shield and cannon upgrades.
Grunt likely died because you sent Mordin to do Vents. Send Legion/Tali.
As a rule don't use Grunt, Garrus or Zaeed in your final team, although if everyone is loyal you can usually get away with using 1 of them, aslong as neither the other two are on escort.
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