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    Mass Effect 2

    Game » consists of 21 releases. Released Jan 26, 2010

    After a violent death by an unknown force and a timely reanimation by the human supremacist organization Cerberus, Commander Shepard must assemble a new squad in the seedier side of the galaxy for a suicide mission in the second installment of the "Mass Effect" trilogy.

    Guide: How to survive the suicide mission & save everyone?

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    #251  Edited By chmod

    I just finished the game. Everyone was loyal, I used everyone recommended by this thread and Mordin still died. Damn, I don't want to have to play through the whole mission again.

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    #252  Edited By napalm

    Does anybody know why using Zaeed Massani as the leader of the second fire team killed him? I'm pretty sure he's been leading teams for decades. The only rational explanation I can think of is because he was DLC, BioWare didn't/couldn't program him to lead any part in the final assault.

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    #253  Edited By Garrus
    @Napalm: Zaeed's a bounty hunter, he is pretty much a lone wolf in the galaxy really. Despite his alliance experience, he doesn't seem to remember the time he spent there.
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    #254  Edited By mracoon
    @Garrus said:
    " @Napalm: Zaeed's a bounty hunter, he is pretty much a lone wolf in the galaxy really. Despite his alliance experience, he doesn't seem to remember the time he spent there. "
    I always found this odd though. He was the leader of a mercenary gang so he does have experience as a leader.
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    #255  Edited By General_D23

    Plus, whenever they get around to Kasumi, it seems like she will be able to go into the vents (based on some footage from someone who hacked the game). 
     
    So yeah, Zaeed's been a lone wolf for a long time, and from his stories, any teams he has lead/been apart of end up dying with disturbing regularity.
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    #256  Edited By Garrus
    @mracoon: He got betrayed and spent 20 years finding the window of opportunity for revenge against the guy who leads the Blue Suns.
     
    I think Bioware seems to say for example, if a Krogan is 800 years old, if he spent 600 of them battling everything the galaxy could throw at him as a battlemaster, the other 200 he spent being a mechanic, it for some reason means his 600 years of experience is redundant and that his recent 200 years as a mechanic mean he's gonna be the guy who works in the tech challenge of the final mission, his 600 years as a battlemaster don't mean anything for some reason.
     
    So Zaeed even with his experience and everything of being a gang leader, it doesn't mean anything because it never was a recent part of his life. Maybe he's just a badly written character or something.
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    #257  Edited By Svartr666

    Did my first playthrough and Grunt, Legion, and Jack died using:
    Doors : Legion 
    Squad Leader #1: Zaeed (non-loyal)
    Squad Leader #2: ZaeedEscort: Mordin 
    Shields: Jack 
    Second playthrough I made sure to get everyone's loyalty with full Paragon and upgrades and got No Man Left Behind with this setup: 
    Doors: Legion 
    Squad Leader #1: Garrus 
    Squad Leader #2: Garrus 
    Escort: Mordin 
    Shields: Samara 
    My squad #1: Miranda/Thane 
    My squad #2: Miranda/Grunt

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    #258  Edited By Seraphire

    all my charicters are loyal i used setup number 3 
    Vents: Tali 
    leader#1: Miranda 
    Shield: Jack
    leader#2: miranda 
    escort: Jacob 
     Boss: Legion - Garrus
     
    Mordin died protecting the door while i was fighting the boss.... is there something i did wrong that Mordin died? :/ halp plz

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    #259  Edited By mracoon
    @Seraphire: Did you have all the character upgrades?
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    #260  Edited By Seraphire
    @mracoon: i think i had all of them except grunts shotgun :/ this is my 2nd time playing it through i belive i updated mordins omnitool i might have forgoten to ask him tho :/ will upgrading his omnitool save him?
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    #261  Edited By Seraphire
    @mracoon: i just checked, Mordin's omnitool was upgraded... the only thing that wasn't upgraded were Grunt's shotgun and Legion's rifle cause i didn't feel like mining
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    #262  Edited By spacetrucking
    @Seraphire said:

    " all my charicters are loyal i used setup number 3  Vents: Tali  leader#1: Miranda  Shield: Jack leader#2: miranda  escort: Jacob   Boss: Legion - Garrus   Mordin died protecting the door while i was fighting the boss.... is there something i did wrong that Mordin died? :/ halp plz "

    That's not #3 (my setup). I used Miranda and Grunt for the final battle. That's why Mordin died in your case - you didn't leave behind enough tough fighters. I thought I explained random deaths under: 

    Random death of loyal team members -  There are certain combinations where a loyal team member dies during the final cutscene for no apparent reason. I found that changing your final team can help solve this. A good general strategy would be to take a weaker team with you to the final battle; just make sure they are all loyal. For the rear guard, leave behind strong characters that can hold their own in a firefight. Characters that work well for this are Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed and Legion. Characters that have a tendency to die in this scenario are Mordin, Tali and Samara/Morinth. The game tallies up some kind of hidden score and your ground team's chances of survival increase if you leave behind more number of tough fighters. Just as an example, on my Insanity playthrough, I used Garrus+Grunt for the final battle and Mordin ended up dead. To fix this, I used Miranda+Grunt instead and everyone survived.     

    I even put in an example saying why Mordin died and how I fixed it.
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    #263  Edited By Seraphire
    @Killjoi: i like mordin alot so if i switch him or miranda for legion in the final fight everyone will survive? and thank you for the information :/ i didn't really read the whole thing i skipped down to lists and went on my way because some posters didn't list the characters they brought to the boss so i assumed it didn't matter... esp being that it was like 7 people staying to guard the door lol... my fault for being the fng  :(  thank you again
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    #264  Edited By GIOLIB

    I dont have alot of paragon or renegade. does really matter to make everyone survive the final mission?

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    #265  Edited By justinnotjason

    Survived -
     
    Soldier - male sheperd - had everyones loyalty but Zaeed and Jack's
     
    All upgrades possible done.
     
    Legion for vents, Garrus lead both teams, Samara for biotic barrier, Mordin did escort, Samara and Grunt for final battle
     
    Everyone survived.

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    #266  Edited By Undeadpool

    You need to go with the choices that make logical sense rather than your gut or your desire to see a certain character "prove themselves." I lost Grunt my first playthrough, but no one my second (and that was before I checked out this guide, though on my Insanity playthrough, this will probably save lives).

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    #267  Edited By Sgt_Mojo

    In the same order as the table :
     
    Legion - Garrus - Samara - Garrus - Mordin - Tali + Thane
     
    Nobody died :P

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    #268  Edited By eatmaxeat
    @Killjoi: I didn't have Legions armor fully upgraded, so he died when I sent him through the vents while he was helping me close the jammed door he died by a rocket to the face.
    When I made samara the shield holder everybody surrvived in my small team.
    Miranda had made everybody in the first fire team surrvive except legion but that was just because he didn't have the right armor.
    Garrus was my second squad leader, no casualties. 
    Miranda and Grunt were in my last small team and they were both loyal and there fore grunt surrrvived and did not try to kill me. Miranda was crushed after I killed the Reaper. I don't exactly know why she died though.
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    #269  Edited By calidan777

    I used Legion for the vent mission, Samara for the shield, Zaeed for the escort, kept Tali and Garrus with me and had Miranda lead the other squad, everyone survived and all was well in the universe.

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    #270  Edited By Wilberton

         Here is what I did in the first run through. 
    Tubes: Thane (died)
    Squad Leader #1: Samara
    Squad Leader #2: Samara (died)
    Shields: Jack
    Escort: Tali
    Final Party Members: Garrus and Mordin

    I figured that Samara had lots of combat experience under her belt, so I made her the leader with the first and second squads. She got hit by fire the second time, which was enough to kill her.

    I sent Tali back as escort, as I thought she might be needed elsewhere.

    With the vents, I didn't know what was ahead, so I sent Thane through the vents. He died.

    All of my team were loyal. The only ship upgraded I didn't buy was the Dermal Regenerator for the Sick Bay.

     
    2nd attempt...

    I went back to a save point created during the mission. Thane still died, but this time I made Jacob the second squad leader. He got hit while leading the second squad, but I'm guessing his body armour saved him.

    In the Second run through the final mission.

     Tubes: Thane (died)
    Squad Leader #1: Samara
    Squad Leader #2: Jacob
    Shields: Jack
    Escort: Tali
    Final Party Members: Garrus and Mordin.

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    #271  Edited By thejamster

    I sent tali in the tubes used garrus as the squad leader both times shields were done by samara escort was jacob  and final party grunt and miranda

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    #272  Edited By Wilberton

    I always expected to take casualties in Mass Effect 2, after losing a team member in the first game. But after completing the mission I wanted to go back and see if I could get everyone through. So I went back to an earlier save file and did the whole mission again. 

     
    My re-run of the mission.
    Tubes: Legion
    Squad Leader #1: Miranda
    Squad Leader #2: Jacob
    Shields: Jack
    Escort: Tali
    Final Party Members: Garrus and Mordin  
     
    Again, all were Loyal and this time all survived.

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    #273  Edited By BreadHammer

    On my first playthrough I don't really remember who I sent where but I did lost mordin to the vents for sure. 
     
    My second play through I  just completed as a vanguard on Insanity and everyone survived.  They were ALL loyal and I used 
     
    Tubes: Legion 
    Squad Leader 1: Garrus 
    Squad Leader 2: Miranda 
    Shields: Samara 
    Escort: Mordin 
    Final Party: Zaeed and Miranda 
     
    ^^ All were loyal, Vanguard on Insanity

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    #274  Edited By AgentJ

    MORDIN!!!! 
    It seems to me that he might die if you take Garrus for the final mission.

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    #275  Edited By ccttcc818

    Just thought I'd tell you guys:
     
    I used a lot of different combinations with Jack not loyal (I took Miranda's side during the fight), most importantly the one on the list, and no matter what I did, she died. She was the only one that died each time. I even had Mordin survive every time somehow.

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    #276  Edited By inwmickey

    Thank to all of u i have got the achievement. i got everyone loyal except for jack but everyone still alive. just remember jack and miranda doesnt want to work together. 
    Door: Tali 
    1st fire squad: Miranda 
    2nd fire squad: Garrus 
    Escort: Mordin 
    Final team: Thane and Miranda or Jack 
    if u follow this everyone will survive

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    #277  Edited By AntonShpak

    My setup for Insanity , Jack not loyal, infiltrator, not full paragon.
    tech: Legion
    Leader#1: Garrus
    Biotic: Samara
    Leader#2: Miranda
    Escort: Mordin
    Final squad: Legion+Garrus

    Everyone survived.

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    #278  Edited By CloneTrooper

    Thought I'd add mine to this, as I'd never been able to get both Jack and Miranda loyal because of that stupid Bitch Fight. 
     
    So this time around I went into the Final Fight with everyone Loyal except for MIranda, this is how it went 
     
    Vents: Tali 
    Leader: Garrus 
    Biotic: Samara 
    Leader 2: Garrus 
    Escort: Mordin 
    Final Team: Legion and Garrus. 
     
    Low and behold, everyone finally survived.  
     
    I figured that since Miranda was Cerberus she'd always have a higher Loyalty to the mission, regardless of whether she was Loyal to Shepard, so I just excluded her from everything and it all went fine. 
     
    So I will be definately leaving this save alone for Mass Effect 3....mainly because I want Legion usable. He gets way too little time.

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    #279  Edited By WickedCestus

    I kept everyone alive with the order 
     
    1 Legion 
    2 Garrus 
    3 Samara 
    4 Garrus 
    5 Jack 
    6 Garrus and Legion

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    #280  Edited By thecobra305

    Okay so finally after a few attempts I finally got achievement "No One Left Behind", so everyone managed to survive. My first attempt I did this without a guide, and I did everything correctly but Jack died in the end in since I didn't gain her loyalty since siding with Miranda. I was very disappointed since I did everything correctly without a guide. My second attempt I picked Jack and Jacob for the final boss, Jack died again from the fall. So my 3rd attempt I finally decide to look up online to see what I can do to, so I just decide to go weak and change it to casual difficulty  since now I'm just going for the achievement, I used my first attempted team. 
     
    Vents: Legion
    Leader: Garrus
    Biotic Shields: Samara
    Leader 2: Garrus
    Escort: Grunt
    Final Team: Tali and Jacob
      Sadly Jack died AGAIN. So on my last attempt I used the same team except for Escort I used Mordin instead of Grunt this time and now Jack finally managed to survive, maybe because Grunt is bigger he saved Jack by staying behind xP. But luckily I saved on the last mission to try this many times, I recommend this for the ones who are starting to play Mass Effect 2 just in case your team doesn't survive. Just follow the guide on the first page. And if your having the same problem that I had(referring to Jack always dieing)Maybe try what I did, if you do hope it helps. If your just going for the achievement "No One Left Behind" just switch to casual, you can always change it back afterward. Peace

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    #281  Edited By Chocobodude3

    Have Mordin escort the crew to the ship because if you don't he will die

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    #282  Edited By AlcBunny

     Doors : Tali
    Squad Leader #1 : Garrus
    Squad Leader #2 : Miranda (Not Loyal)
    Shields : Jack
    Escort : Mordin
     
    Final Team: Jack & Tali
     
    no DLC Chars, pretty much almost full paragon, normal difficulty.
     
    First time I took Legion and Garrus on the final team, and used Jacob on the 2nd squad during the biotic episode, and had Jacob lead the 2nd squad. Miranda died this time.
     
    Is it possible to get Miranda Loyal after all that? I'm happy she survived with the rest of the crew, and I thought I was at full paragon but may be some points short.
     
    thanks!!

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    #283  Edited By SilverBulletKY

    1st try - Vents - Legion - Squad leader - Miranda both times - Shields - Jack - Final Team - Miranda and Samara
     Jack, Garrus and someone else died that I never did catch for some reason
     
    2nd try - Vents - Legion - Squad leader - Miranda both times - Shields - Samara - Final Team - Miranda and Samara
    Only Jack died - She isn't loyal by the way

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    #284  Edited By eillothebadger

    To #3 Method- Miranda is dead as dog turds.

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    #285  Edited By Gaar
    @Killjoi: 
    I have followed this guild, but I ran into some problems:
    • With 85% paragon I could not keep both Jack and Miranda loyal.
    • Could not keep Miranda alive during the last mission even though i did not use her and tried all variations of successful attempts as listed above. 
    I have done all the missions, side missions and what not. I don't see how you get 100% paragon by the time you do Miranda's loyalty mission.
    Is there a way I could put off doing her mission after I do IFF to get Legion and not screw up the game?
    I just read in forums that you should put off the IFF until you have all your team members and what not. 
     
    Thoughts?
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    #286  Edited By talilover

    Used legion for vents he got destroyed after making it through the first door. Used Samara as first team leader she surived. Used Jack as barrier she also surived. Used Grunt as escort he survied which i didn't expect but it happened. Chose Tali and Jacob to be with Shepard they all survied. Used Miranda as the second team leader she did not make it most likely because i pissed her off when i sided with Jack. All and all it worked out very nice i only lost two team members. I also did this on the evil side of the game if that is how you would put it i didn't exactly follow cerebus throughout the game.

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    #287  Edited By Edwardryu

    when I played it for the first time, I had no idea how to upgrade, and so on. but fortunately, this game guided me properly during playing. for the record, I never played any type of RPG before. so you can imagine how I went through. in the end, only (?) 4 squad members were died. that's it. I was survived, destroyed collector base. it took 40 hours to finish. that wasn't bad at all for RPG beginner. now, I have finished this game 28 times (all classes, all difficulty levels, all DLC of course). in my opinion, ME 2 is different RPG game. it is more likely combination with shooting. I love this game.

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    #288  Edited By Dan64

    This is an awesome list/guide. I had Samara and Legion die on me, but I didn't care for them much anyway. Aside from Samara's boobs, AMIRITE?!

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    #289  Edited By shakra

    Awesome list thanks.

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    #290  Edited By Obrusnine

    I finished it again today with a Full Paragon Soldier named Nicolas Shepherd. A lil renagade to. But I did it on Insanity
     
    I had Legion do the vents, and Garrus lead the second squad both times, Jack with Implants do the biotic shield, Mordin do the Escort, and my final team as Jack and Tali. 
     
    Thanks for this list man, Tali died in my first play-through and I was baffled. I had Jacob do the shield, lol.

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    #291  Edited By notsonic

    i had legion go in the vents. had garrus lead both teams. samara did the biotic shield. and i sent jacob back with the crew. i used tali and legion in my party for the boss fight. everyone lived. full paragon shepard.

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    #292  Edited By digimonrockers

    this sucks i got to do the game all over  to get it and how do u got a girl on it? and jack and Miranda got pissed and i lost the loatly of miranda  and did the mission and she die and jack,tail, and garrus
       
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    #293  Edited By Scrawnto
    @Killjoi: You should think about adding this to the guides.
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    #294  Edited By ThePickle

    Here's how I did it:  
     
    Doors: Tali 
    Squad 1: Garrus 
    Squad 2: Miranda 
    Barrier: Samara  
    Escort Crew: Grunt
    Final Team: Thane and Mordin (my crew for the whole game) 
     
    I only lost Tali, Jack and Legion. 

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    #295  Edited By morosemode

    Vents: Tali 
    Squad Leader 1 & 2: Garrus 
    Shield: Jack 
    Escort: Jacob 
    Final Team: Miranda & Samara 
     
    Every character survived. Full Paragon, Veteran Difficulty, All Loyal. etc. 
     
    Didn't save the entire crew though. Pretty sure I only did Legion's loyalty mission between the IFF and Omega 4 Relay, so not sure how I messed that up.
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    #296  Edited By Rek503

    Great info! Thanks!

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    #297  Edited By SSully

    I had Miranda, Mordin, and legion die, so i was a tad disappointed since all three of them kicked ass. Miranda became disloyal after her and jack got in a fight and I defended jack, which was a horrible mistake since I was perusing the Miranda relationship, and basically lost it after that. Kind of funny because after her I started going with Tali, but when she asked if i was sure i Said "I dont want to be with you unless its safe" which basically ended all chances with her. Thats not the end though, I always went down to talk with jack because well I did it for every crew member after a mission, and despite me telling her I am not interested I had the option of having a relationship with her before the suicide mission, and denied her. 
     
    I had Legion as the vent man, Miranda as the squad leader for the first squad, and I took Samara and the Assassian on my squad. Legion died when we got in the doors despite him being loyal, and i thought i upgraded everything for him as well. Then I chose Garrus to be the escort, and had Jacob in charge of the second squad after that. Samara was on shields and i had grunt and tali as my back up. I chose Miranda and the assassian as my final squad to take on the last sequence. 
     
    I wish i never came in this thread because now I want to start a second game, and I literally just started Dragon Age, but i may have to put that on hold now.  I was very happy with how my shepard was in terms of upgrades and combat, but as i said i messed up any relationships I had. 

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    #298  Edited By Dom0rt

    In my Strat I was Loyal with EVERYONE yet Thane died on the ship while in route to the suicide mission. And Grunt was Carried away and killed by the reaper swarms AFTER the shielding area of the misson. I used Samara for the shield. Does anyone know where I went wrong? 

     The rest of my mission consisted of...
    Vents - Mordin
    Squad Leader 1 - Garrus
    Shield - Samara
    Squad Leader 2 - Miranda
    Escort - Legion
    Final Team - Garrus & Miranda
     
    Again The only members that Died were Grunt and Thane.... Any advice
    Thank you!

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    #299  Edited By morosemode

    If someone dies on the ship before you land it's because you're missing upgrades for your ship. You'll want the armor, shield and cannon upgrades.
     
    Grunt likely died because you sent Mordin to do Vents. Send Legion/Tali. 
     
    As a rule don't use Grunt, Garrus or Zaeed in your final team, although if everyone is loyal you can usually get away with using 1 of them, aslong as neither the other two are on escort.
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    #300  Edited By Dom0rt

    Thank you ill try it out a bit differently.

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