Guide: How to survive the suicide mission & save everyone?

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#301 Posted by jlatimer11 (2 posts) -

 When I originally played the game after it came out (and before DLC), my first and only run everyone came out alive.
Now today I just finished the game and TWO people died. I can't figure it out.

Vents: Legion
Squad Leader 1: Zaeed
Barrier: Jack
Squad Leader 2: Zaeed    
Escort Leader: Jacob
Final Team: Tali and Garrus

Died: Legion (First set of doors), Zaeed (Second set of doors)

I was loyal with everyone except Zaeed. I just can't figure out how Legion died.

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#302 Posted by thespartandon (162 posts) -

Beat the game (2nd Playthough) and everyone made it, I was loyal with everyone minus Jack. I just never assigned her to a role (obviously) I picked Legion for the Vent, Garrus to lead Team 1. Then I picked Miranda to lead Team 2, Samara to make the bubble and Mordin to lead the survivors back. Then I think I picked Garrus & Legion as my final squad (no particular reason, I just like them both)  
Funny thing though, Miranda was shot in the gut as the 2nd doors shut. But she just recovered from it and was completely fine.  
But on my original play through quite a few people died, I never prepared the ship at all. So 3 people died straight off the bat. Since I screwed up Samaras loyalty mission too one of my members were taken by the flies. All the good characters died so I ended up just starting over. I'm not playing ME3 without Garrus. :P

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#303 Posted by mastercole229 (2 posts) -

i was on casual and the only person i had not lolyaly was jack and jack died randomliey i took maranda and grunt with me and mordan took the escort so i think that sucks i was going for a perfect save and i dont have a save to do the mission over so i have to restart and i followed every thing the guide said oh well i didnt like jack that much anyway

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#304 Posted by PromoteViolence (3 posts) -
@Killjoi: What you said about leaving behind a strong team for the "rear guard sequence" is absolutely correct. Every team member has a combat rating which increases with loyalty and a certain check is required to keep everyone alive while holding the door during the boss fight. If the defense check isn't met then people will start dying off, usually in order or weakest non loyal members first. Grunt and Zaeed are the BEST for this; Grunt even pumps his shoulders when Shepard says that we need someone to hold the door(indicating that he is the man for the job). That is why sending Grunt as the escort is a horrible idea. 
I've played ME2 over 10x(always getting all loyalties) but I made a mock playthrough just to test something out. On this playthrough, I recruited all team members including Kasumi but only got the loyalty of 6 people and NO ONE died. I used Garrus as team leader twice(you need him loyal for the gun upgrade), Jacob for the escort(you need him loyal for the armor upgrade),
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#305 Posted by ThePickle (4572 posts) -
@mastercole229: Jack probably died because you didn't have the ship armor upgrade. 
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#306 Posted by PromoteViolence (3 posts) -
Jack as the biotic specialist, and Tali as the tech specialist(you need her loyalty for the shield upgrade). Take Tali and Jack on the platform with you because non loyal members might fall off or get crushed at the end, and leave behind your loyal Grunt, Zaeed, and Garrus to keep everyone else alive. Having all the party members, even if they aren't loyal, will still provide you with extra firepower to assist holding the door. I don't recommend playing the game this way but if you want to get this achievement quickly then this is the way to go.
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#307 Posted by MarioBoza (53 posts) -

Just beat the game for my first time wow, what a game! so happy part 3 comes out this year. i can barely contain myself. 
 all my members survived and they were all loyal and i was playing on normal.
for me it was 
Legion, Garrus, Jack, Garrus, Mordin, Miranda + Samara

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#308 Posted by Gerhabio (1996 posts) -

Fuck yeah, got it first try. Thanks, duder.

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#309 Posted by sammo21 (5974 posts) -
@jlatimer11: Don't put Zaeed in charge of anything.  That's one problem.
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#310 Posted by vpcwiu (41 posts) -

Just beat the PS3 version with zero deaths. I had full loyalty for everyone except Jack, which I lost in the argument with Miranda and was unable to regain.
My selections: 
 Vents: Tali 
1st and 2nd Squad Leader: Garrus 
Shield: Samara  
Escort: Mordin
Final Team: Miranda + Grunt

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#311 Edited by yyZiggurat (1080 posts) -

I beat the PS3 version on Veteran difficulty with no squad deaths but I took my time finishing the DLC and other assignments so I lost all of the crew.  I didn't use a FAQ for this; I'm pretty stoked about that
Vents:  Tali (I don't trust the machine) 
1st Squad Leader:  Garrus 
2nd Squad Leader:  Miranda  
Shield:  Samara 
Escort:  Jacob 
Final Team:  Morin & Grunt 
Everyone was loyal except for Zaeed.

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#312 Posted by foxmulder (1973 posts) -

Got all loyal except for Zaeed.  I just couldn't have those innocents die in the factory and I didn't give a shit about his character so I found his loyalty pointless.  Then I picked Miranda over Jack.  On normal I was able to keep everyone alive picking all of the right people for their jobs.

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#313 Posted by vpcwiu (41 posts) -
@FoxMulder: I went to save those people during Zaeed's loyalty mission and I was still able to gain his loyalty in the post-battle conversation. 
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#314 Edited by StriderNo9 (1351 posts) -

 Vents: Legion
1st and 2nd Squad Leader: Miranda 
Shield: Samara  
Escort: Tali
Final Team: Miranda + Garrus 
 All loyal all lived. 

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#315 Posted by Billy_MF_Mays (2 posts) -

I think there is a lot of speculation in the guide. I completed the suicide mission on the Insanity difficulty with no deaths and my crew being saved. My DLC included the Firewalker Pack, Zaeed, and the Cerberus armor and weapons. I had every upgrade I could possibly get except for one heavy skin weave. When it comes to upgrades, I know for a fact that the armor, shield, and weapon upgrade for your ship is required. However, perhaps Jack's implants and Mordin's tech damage upgrade are also required, but even then I am very unsure. The rest of the upgrades are just for personal progression and to make life a little easier when fighting through the Collector's base. I played the PC version for this and I was full paragon soldier, in case anyone was wondering about those details.

This is how I fought through the mission and I actually used all the squad mates available to me.

Part 1: Vents
Tech Expert: Tali
Fire Team Leader: Garrus
Squad: Mordin and Legion

Part 2: Seeker Swarms
Biotic: Jack
Diversion Team Leader: Jacob
Escort: Zaeed
Squad: Grunt and Thane

Part 3: Endgame
Squad: Miranda and Samara

I am kind of glad I did not have Kasumi for it would have made it uneven.

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#316 Edited by Mikemcn (8594 posts) -

I kinda regret reading this before playing through that last mission. (Especially since now Jack is alive in my playthrough, hate that woman.) I won't expose myself to anything come Mass Effect 3 time. 

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#317 Edited by Lethner (2 posts) -

After Killjoi hint I`ve used, all loyal, all ship upgrades (aside from Med-Bay Upgrade):

Vents: Legion
Leader: Garrus (1st and 2nd)
Escort: Mordin
Barrier: Jack with implants
Final Team: Miranda+Grunt

And finished will all members alive!

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#318 Edited by phrosnite (3528 posts) -

One name... Garrus. Everybody survive. People need guides for this kind of stuff? Andraste's tits... Well I should not be suprised because I saw people having problems with the "puzzles" in the FADE quest in Dragon Age 2.

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#319 Edited by Mike76x (559 posts) -

 This method has worked for me on every difficulty with all loyal.

Vents:                                         Legion
1st (Fire) Squad Leader:        Miranda
Shield:                                       Samara
2nd (Fire) Squad Leader:      Miranda
Escort:                                       Mordin
Final Team :                             Miranda and Grunt
Sexual Intercourse:                Miranda on normal - Jack  (non romance) casual sex on insanity

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#320 Posted by SwiftOnGames (2 posts) -
This was my second time running through Mass Effect 2; I wanted to have a perfect save game for when ME3 launches. In my first attempt at the game when it launched, I ran with this lineup: Thane as the Technical Specialist(Thought Stealth would matter), Garrus as Team 1 Leader, Samara as Biotic Specialist, Jacob as the Escourt, Miranda as the Team 2 Leader, and my final team was Garrus/Tali(Didn't want to lose my two favorite characters). Samara wasn't loyal, I screwed up her loyalty mission, so she failed as the Biotic Barrier. That led to losing Legion, as he was gobbled up by the swarm. I also lost Thane, because he wasn't ideal for the Vent mission. 
My second time through just now, I went with this lineup; Legion as the Technical Specialist, Garrus as Team 1 Leader, (Loyal)Samara as Biotic Specialist, Mordin as the Escourt, Jacob as the Team 2 Leader, and my final team was again, Garrus/Tali. I didn't lose anyone this time.
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#321 Posted by DeF (5440 posts) -



1st (Fire) Squad Leader


2nd (Fire) Squad Leader


Final Team

Notes (assume all loyal unless mentioned)







Normal difficulty, everyone survived. Everyone was loyal, Paragon and Renegade were both above 75%. All upgrades used.
that's how I did it.
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#322 Posted by djhicks1 (211 posts) -

Vents: Tali

1st fire squad: Miranda

Shield: Samara

2nd fire squad: Miranda

Escort: Mordin

Final team: Grunt & Miranda

Everyone Loyal. Difficulty Casual. Thanks for the help

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#323 Posted by DiggyHole333 (3 posts) -

Is it possible that members who aren't loyal can survive?

I chose the wrong choice in Tali's loyalty mission and she isn't loyal Miranda isn't loyal because I chose Jack instead, I failed Thane and Samaras loyalty missions

That's all my favourite characters, and I don't want them to die

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#324 Posted by bio595 (320 posts) -

@DiggyHole333: I don't think so, sorry

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#325 Posted by DiggyHole333 (3 posts) -

@bio595: oh, well thanks anyway

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#326 Posted by ABritishNerd (331 posts) -

This was extremely helpful, thank you for doing it :D

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#327 Posted by SgtMathias (6 posts) -

Used this one:


and I can confirm it's working perfectly on Hardcore difficulty. (Maxed out Vanguard, Paragon, all squad mates loyal)

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#328 Posted by familyphotoshoot (716 posts) -

the fuck is wrong with you?

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#329 Posted by TwiztedKat (2 posts) -

Tali for the vents, Miranda for leader on both squads, Mordrin as escort, Jack for sheild's, final team Kasumi and Thane. Got through just fine everyone lived even the crew.

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#330 Edited by sammz1 (3 posts) -

Hey people i'm having a lot of problems on this section of the game, my vent person keeps dieing on my and i'm getting really stressed out. I used Legion what is fine, but whom ever i pick as 1st squad leader he dies, garrus, miranda, jacob ext. I am struggling to keep sane now, he is loyal to me so why is he dieing? im having a lot of problem with my ME2 going from loading screens make game stop responding for like half a min and form my DLC's not showing up in game, i don't want this as well to fuck up the game. I hate it when somone dies i have to restart the misison, but on the 1st death i have to restart it from before i go in Omega 4 relay, that means watching all the bloody cut scenes again and not being able to skip it -.-

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#331 Posted by sammz1 (3 posts) -

@sgtmathias: not for me, Legion dies every time with every squad mate, its anoying i duno how to get past the vents with somone not dieing. and yes they are all loyal.

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#332 Edited by Samara_Friend (2 posts) -

Vents: Legion

1st Fire Squad: Miranda

Escort: Mordin

2nd Fire Squad: Miranda

Shield: Samara

Final Team: Tali and Miranda

Everyone loyal except Jack

Everyone survived

Difficulty: Casual

Romance: Jacob

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#333 Edited by Mad-Mardigan (1 posts) -

Just wanted to say, this helped on my 2nd run through on ME2. Got ME2 as part of a free game dealio on Origin... an loved it, so much that I busted a move & snagged a triple play pack of ME1, ME2 & ME3... sweet deal @ that... : )

I also grubbed a hold of every DLC that I could get more so, mission wise... did snag a suit/weps DLC or 2 to boot...

On to my 2nd run through, ( which with 1st run through... I lost Zaeed, Garrus & Jack in that run through... sad *sigh*(dramatic pause)... any who... )

Game set to casual, since I wanted story line, plus wanted to get a feel for the combat 1st. I ran down every side mission I could grub on to, did loyalty missions in the following order: Miranda, Jacob, Kasumi, Mordin, Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus, Jack, Thane, Samara, Tali & finally, Legion... Side note, as for romance, tried to keep it low key so as to remain loyal to Liara, but... somehow ended up doing the bed bounce with Tali... not exactly sure how that happened *shrugs* will have to see how things go with ME3 after that occurrence. After completing the loyalty missions, I did slow poke about a bit, before jumping through the Omega 4 Relay... but was nothing mission related, revisited the Shadow Brokers lair, to grub up on ezo, platinum, palladium, iridium, an any additional upgrade items that I could get, so didn't lose any crew... sad for the colonists... ahh well, back to the Suicide squad line up...

Had ship upgraded on all but the med bay upgrade since you regen facially throughout the game play so no need for that upgrade on the ship... had everything else upgraded to the max, except for pistols... did have it 5/5 instead of the max @ 6/6, as far as I know of... so no big loss there...

So, for final battle:

Act 1:

Vents: Kasumi

1st Fire Squad: Miranda

Act 2:

Shield: Jack (nice seeing her do a shock wave with the shield bubble, right as we got to the doors, by the way... evil grin)

Escort: Mordin

2nd Fire Squad: Miranda

Took Samara & Tali with me, Samara for her biotics ability & Tali for her Combat drone ability... keep them suckers flying from Samara hitting them with throw (evil grin) and distracted with Tali's drones, buzzing them... leaving me free to dispatch them... with extreme prejudice, of course... *evil mad scientist laughter, think laughter @ end of Thriller by Michael Jackson*


Final Team battle: Tali & Jack

End result: No lost crew, no lost squad members... Coolness extreme... :D

Will be making more run throughs, on different difficulty levels, an see how those go... Think I will also do a run through, as fem Shep, just for *hits & giggles...

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#334 Posted by Dooley (359 posts) -


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#335 Edited by jackelbeaver (211 posts) -
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There's a much more accurate chart out there. This explains every minute detail, including the math, efficiently.

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#336 Edited by jackelbeaver (211 posts) -

@dooley: Don't show him this video...

(I like that at one point she walks from one Tali over to another Tali on the other side of the room because of how seamlessly they cut this.)

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