When Earth begins to fall in an ancient cycle of destruction, Commander Shepard must unite the forces of the galaxy to stop the Reapers in the final chapter of the original Mass Effect trilogy.
I've not seen the endings yet, waiting for more free time to play the game, but seems like changing the ending(s) could make things worse then somehow making them better. Regardless I'd kind of rather see Bioware stick by their original decisions, unless the changes they make are just about filling in gaps. It's hard to see them being able to change things too drastically, but it still makes for some interesting news articles I suppose.
No one wants clarity. We understand the ending, we do. It's just a horrible mess that has nothing to do with the rest of the game and invalidates everything you've ever done throughout the series.
"..If you have to defend your art from criticism by pointing out that it's art and you can't criticize it, it is both terrible and not art."
Also once again to me this isn't just about getting a video game ending changed. The product that Bioware is backing is a total lie and a huge middle finger to the fans that have been there since the beginning. There are numerous quotes of Bioware employees saying the exact opposite of what the ending turned out to be. Video game players feel betrayed and they should be. If we want our industry to grow and be taken seriously we have to stop letting companies get away with terrible writing and BS.
At least MGS4 ending was actually logical. Also there wasn't a "HEY GUYS GET READY FOR MORE GREAT ADVENTURES WITH SNAKE IN FUTURE DLC!" screen at the end of the credits. While a lot of people didn't like the ending it was still a ending that made sense to the series and didn't contradict numerous events.
@Rapid: Because all of the internet is the same person, right? It's easy to accuse the "internet" of hypocrisy when you take it as a single entity. I sincerely doubt that those people that are angry about a clarified ending are the same people that were petitioning Bioware to start with.
I didn't like the ending. I thought it left a lot of things unanswered, and for an epic game like this that is no way to go out.
Aside from that, while I am not cool with the ending(s) of the game, I will not personally (verbally) attack anyone to the point where be becomes personal. The rants are of someone who is passionate about the series. I am not sure really where they are going with this anymore, but with all the games coming out, I will be hesitant to purchase any DLC until I hear a review. Hey some people are happy right, who cares about the others.
Also once again to me this isn't just about getting a video game ending changed. The product that Bioware is backing is a total lie and a huge middle finger to the fans that have been there since the beginning. There are numerous quotes of Bioware employees saying the exact opposite of what the ending turned out to be. Video game players feel betrayed and they should be. If we want our industry to grow and be taken seriously we have to stop letting companies get away with terrible writing and BS.
There's a good reason that The End of Evangelion is amazing. It's basically a huge "fuck you" to all the people who bitched about the series ending. They actually went out of the way to make something more depressing, more batshit crazy and more esoteric than the original ending. If Bioware did THAT, I would totally be on board. "You want a new ending, here it is. Everyone dies!"
I've got good faith in Bioware to not compromise the ending as they saw it originally, but just to explain it better. I'm OK with that. What I am not OK with, is all the people really going too far and being upset about it. If you are THAT upset about it, start writing your own stories, fuck up the endings REAL BAD, and then the internet will yell at you.
Most games I care about deeply, there's shit in there that I curse at like a sailor.
From a rather playful 'Whoever designed this - eat a bag of rancid donkey dicks! Fuck. FUCK. FUUUUUCK!!!' to the outright murderous and way over the line 'I'm gonna bash your stupid fucking face in with a brick, you fucking cunt!' and so forth.
I believe game designers should encourage playtesters/QA-dudes to use 'colorful'/'hateful' language to express themselves and tape it. As soon as they don't feel safe to roam the streets anymore, that's when due dilligence has been done.
Profanity and hate is the internet's exclamation point. Everytime I open an online multiplayer booster pack and get useless and redundant shit, I curse the responsible parties from all my little black heart. No offense, but free-2-play grind-til-you-die mechanics in a pay-2-play game are a major offense.
On that note... go and eat a bag of rancid donkey dicks BIOWARE! ;P
I would go on youtube and search "Mass Effect 3 Indoctrination Theory". If this theory is at least somewhat true, then expect the DLC was the true ending all along, and that the ending they showed was meant to be interpreted as something deeper. What they point out makes a whole lot of sense.
why is a developer making content based on what their fans want a BAD THING?
*buzz* too late! i'll tell you the answer, its not! its only a good thing for the developer and for the fans! but have fun insulting people for asking for content that they want while at the same time supporting a game developer for making said content! it makes you internet cool, right?
Also once again to me this isn't just about getting a video game ending changed. The product that Bioware is backing is a total lie and a huge middle finger to the fans that have been there since the beginning. There are numerous quotes of Bioware employees saying the exact opposite of what the ending turned out to be. Video game players feel betrayed and they should be. If we want our industry to grow and be taken seriously we have to stop letting companies get away with terrible writing and BS.
i love anime and i know all about the Evangelion ending but the core difference is that the ending in the series was perfectly acceptable to ppl who are very into philosophy. its widely accepted that the original ending is about whats going on in Shinjis subconscious and the OVA shows a different take on the ending but they never came out and said the original ending was wrong. i have no problem with bioware adding to the ending and story in DLC , but for me they need to stand behind the ending they released.
I just don't want to see Bioware come out and say that the original ending was bad or wrong and then give us a new one. Add to it and give different angles on it by all means in DLC just don't change the original. Thats all i'm saying
People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant.
Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.
please go kill yourself immediately if you returned the game or filed a complaint because you did not like the ending. grow the fuck up you whiny little pissants.
I think since I can't get through ME3 (stupid boss fight) & with all this going on, I figure I'll just stop playing ME3 until this all is figured out and go back to playing through ME1 & ME2 again instead.
I find it disheartening that it came to that. So can I have a bonus disc mailed to me now explaining exactly whether the main guy in "In Bruge" is dead at the end or not?
People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant. Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.
And you know what is also funny about that picture? There are people who think Destroy is paragon and control is renegade. ROFL! Look! It's even colour coded for the dumb ones.
YEAH BUT YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED TO THINK DESTROY WAS THE WRONG CHOICE
...ugh.
Have you not seen the video? There is overwhelming evidence to show that you were indoctrinated. As in, IN GAME evidence. The tree/plants near the beam, the fact that the kid doesn't actually exist, the gunshot wound you receive without getting shot, etc etc etc.
That isn't "evidence". Those are conspiracies of crazy people.
Really. So art assets in the game, as well as dialogue, sounds, characters, etc that all point to this ending (an ending that actually makes sense verses the assumed ending that everyone is bitching about because it DOESN'T make sense), are just made up? I'm pretty sure the dream sequences actually happened in the game. I'm pretty Shepherd getting a wound without getting shot was in the game. I could go on, but it appears that you've already made your decision to believe that Bioware, after their history of incredible writing in Mass Effect and other series, just decided to give up with this one. Ok then.
This theory sounds awesome but I think you are giving Bioware too much credit. I don't think it is true. It would be awesome if it was though. Still, imo the ME games are the best sci-fi thing ever made.
Edit: I too noticed some of the things in that video while playing the game but remembering the shit that Bioware has done with DA2 and stuff I just roll with it. Again... I think that Indoctrination theory is giving Bioware too much credit. I don't think their writers are that good. Remember that Bioware does characters and worlds best not stories.
Btw... at some point in the game didn't the Illusive man say, "A thought is powerfull thing that is hard to destroy" or something like that. But I thought that was an Inception reference :)
Watch it be "fixed" and people still complain. That's when Bioware says "fuck off". Anyways, hopefully the ending helps it, and doesn't just make it worse.
I'm ambivalent about it--I'll buy new ending DLC but part of me thinks they should just live with the fact that they're shitty writers who made a shitty ending, and have it forever be a black mark on the series.
A side effect of this is that it is revealed just how bobbleheaded most of the 'games media' is. GB giving it a 4/5 helps me keep faith with this website, because it's an 80 game.
People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant. Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.
TOO DEEP 4 U
Nah dude it was just shitty writing.
Or, people just didn't "get it", and as such, massive uproar ensues.
I've previously indicated that they should do (as they're doing) justice to the ending they intended by elaborating on it, possibly providing more context and maybe even adding an additional path that is more conventional. But for the sake of argument, let's say they deleted the ending and replaced it entirely. Ignoring the issue of whether they charge for that (they shouldn't, since they're taking as much away from you as they're giving back) why would this be an issue for gamers. I would actually want to replay ME 3 sooner because I wouldn't know what the ending is. I mean, the idea of whether a story is set in stone has nothing to do with whether I enjoyed it in the form it took at a particular point in time, right?
I didnt hate mass effect 3´s ending but for me it just seemed a bit confusing. Also the choiches that the game offered for me werent really the ones that I wanted to make.
There is a particular point (it involves a view and two people) in the story at the end of the game where the game could have stopped and I would have been perfectly satisfied with the ending. Instead it kept going and took a very strange turn.
People love to say that gamers are entitled so often, that any form of complaint against a company now is called being entitled. Not necessarily ascribing any judgement to this, but by calling everyone entitled babies or whatever doesn't actually push games forward in any way. While those complaining may very well feel entitled beyond what they actually deserve, it's kinda weird that so many people are decrying their ability to complain. There must be a middle ground between trying to actively change something in an industry you love, complaining about something as a whiny "i'm always right!" consumer, and being told to sit down, shut up, and accept what's in front of you for better or for worse.
The fact that even if the ending isn't what some people think the series 'deserves'; the fact that Bioware is publicly announcing they're changing it sucks. All it will do is add fuel to the next argument of self-entitled people who want to demand more, and the next, and the next. Welcome to the snowball effect that has the chance of ruining all endings ever.
I'm very eeeeeeeeeh about this whole thing. As someone who has played Mass Effect from the beginning of the series, I had no real problems with the ending I got despite a few plotholes (which honestly bother me more than any potential philosophical quandry). I know I'm likely in the minority (vocally, at least), but I'm not sure I like the implication that this move by Bioware puts forth.
Putting aside the fact that it sends the message that people can complain and complain until they get their way (a lesson that Bill Clinton taught me in an episode of the Simpsons), it just makes Bioware seem like they themselves never believed in the ending they were putting forth. Some might say its because they planned all along to make future DLC that clarified the ending, essentially having people pay to see the full width and breadth of their Mass Effect story, but I'd like to assume this isn't the case.
But regardless, I feel like Bioware should have stuck to their guns and said, "Yes, this is how the series ends. We did with the ending what we wanted and though we're sure that pissed off some people, it was inevitably the ending we wanted." Instead, it just makes them seem like they didn't know what the fuck they were doing and sets an unpleasant precedent for future games.
Fuck the people who won't stop whining about the ending for stupid reasons. Complain about the inconsistencies and plot holes (disappearing squad mates, Normandy's disappearing act,) not the content of the ending, which you need to just fucking DEAL with.
Fuck BioWare for defending their half-assed shit with "artistic integrity" and using broke as hell Metacritic and review scores to back it up.
Fuck everyone who hasn't said SHIT about the awful design decisions that carried over from Dragon Age 2. Single hub to "explore", every quest is a linear mission, awful side content that has random people asking for randomly found things at random.
And lastly, fuck ME for spending 10 minutes writing this meaningless bullshit.
@Rapid: Because all of the internet is the same person, right? It's easy to accuse the "internet" of hypocrisy when you take it as a single entity. I sincerely doubt that those people that are angry about a clarified ending are the same people that were petitioning Bioware to start with.
It's not that I consider the internet as a single entity, plus I'm not saying either sides doesn't have a right to complain, just the constant arguing over one thing can get tiring lol
If its not the 1% arguing its the 99% percent arguing
If Bioware does not go with the Indoctrination Theory they are complete idiots. They even if it was not what they originally intended( which I think it was) could just point to it and say you were just to stupid to figure it out. Plus judging from Tali's face they have no qualms about stealing from the Internet.
People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant. Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.
TOO DEEP 4 U
Nah dude it was just shitty writing.
Or, people just didn't "get it", and as such, massive uproar ensues.
BINGO, we have a winner. I do think Bioware should have made the consequences a little more obvious.
@TinoXtreme said:
I would go on youtube and search "Mass Effect 3 Indoctrination Theory". If this theory is at least somewhat true, then expect the DLC was the true ending all along, and that the ending they showed was meant to be interpreted as something deeper. What they point out makes a whole lot of sense.
After looking at that and Bioware forums, I definitely think this the correction interruption of the ending. It also neatly explains the dream sequences and the kid. Also, it explains how indoctrination is always taking the motivation of the person and using it against them. For TIM and other others it was power or control but for Shepard it was in his inherent goodness, the very thing that makes him a hero.
So if Bioware does anything to the ending I hope it is only to clarify the choices and to show more of the consequences BUT FOR THE LOVE GOD, DO NOT CHANGE IT. I think it was more clear what is happening and the consequences people would be cool with it because then it would not feel tacked on. I would hate for them to tack on a happy ending just to placate some folks. I think most people expected a bit of a sacrifice ending.
As for all the Bioware hate, it is really just sheep mentality. People bandwagon for the good and the bad. It's easier than thinking.
Soooo they release a game everyone has been waiting for, everyone hates the ending, and you decide you can sell them a better one later? This is why I hate DLC, it allows companies to release incomplete or broken games and fix it later, for a price.
I don't know, Videogame endings have sucked balls for far too long maybe this will give Developers a kick in the ass not to half ass their endings so they can sell you their next game.
Complaints about the ending don't show that fans are entitled. They just show that fans are paying attention and thinking critically.
It's not the complaining that show them as entitled, it's the foot stomping, the whineing and the demand that something is changed that shows them up as entitled.
@Clonedzero: Because 1. just as many fans don't want or need it, 2. it creates a horrible precedent, 3. it completely nullifies any "games as art" discussion when people can just whine until the creators change their vision and, most importantly, 4. no matter what they put out, there will be just as much bitching.
They could put out dlc that dispenses blowjobs and thousand dollar bills and people would still complain.
Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal. It was another somewhat rushed feeling Bioware title that ended a series with a wholly epic storyline. First you killed your Brother and learned you were the child of a god. Then you killed a crazy mage seeking to sap your power. Finally, you fought through literal armies and took down the last of the children of Bhaal to claim the throne of said god.
Maybe there was noting disappointing about all of that. I think the only reason I might feel the slightest tinge of disappointment is because they ended an epic series with an expansion pack rather than a full game. Either way, the biggest difference between the Mass Effect 3 ending and the Baldur's Gate series ending is...
An epilogue.
You make your world-shattering decision about what to do with your god powers, and then you get this:
A short bit of text that describes what happens to each of your party members, and mostly closes out their stories. This was not the most elegant way of doing things, I suppose, but the simplicity of it can feel even more emotionally impactful in context.
When I sat down and thought about my own personal disappointment with the ending to Mass Effect 3 (aside from knowing that the story might have taken a slightly more interesting path under the watch of Drew Karpyshyn), it was simply that we don't really know what happens to the universe or even at least the characters who are still alive that we invested so much time with. So really, I suppose all I could ask for is a little snippet of detail about all of that, even if they intend to milk the hell out of that franchise and continue after the events of the third game for the inevitable continuation.
This ..... I didnt mind the ending persay but rather the lack of explanation of what happens to the galaxy afterwards i.e. did the Krogan kept their word? What happens to the geth ... etc. etc. , they just pulled and DA2 ending on Mass Effect :( There is stuff that I would have wanted to happen , but that is more my likes and crazy ideas that in no way could happen , in a way Bioware couldnt ever give a proper ending to everyone , as our expectations are way out there , so there will always be dissapointment at the endings , no matter how much Bioware tries to , but a semblant of a conclusion , like in Dragon Age Origin would be very aprreciated.
My biggest grip with the game is that if the indoctrination ending is true then the game simply did not ended. They left us off a cliff hanger intentionally made to sell DLC, hence the real ending to fans, and I guess that's the consensus biggest issue with the product.
People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant. Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.
TOO DEEP 4 U
Nah dude it was just shitty writing.
I totally agree, anyone who says that the ending was not pure bullshit and full of plot holes did not play the same game i did, there is nothing to interpret at the end of ME3 its just awful.
You know what, Bioware? Before you go changing or not changing any Mass Effect 3 endings, how about you fix the character importer? I still haven't started the single player part of the game because I refuse to rebuild my character.
So, I'm about as far from being upset about the ending as a person can get. Even if I don't end up liking ME3's ending once I get there, I won't whine about it because I think Bioware has the right to tell whatever story they want to, and I don't have the right to bitch about changing that story.
I do, however have the right to complain when a fundamental aspect of a game I paid for doesn't work properly. Bioware needs to fix the import problems ASAP.
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