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    Mass Effect 3

    Game » consists of 19 releases. Released Mar 06, 2012

    When Earth begins to fall in an ancient cycle of destruction, Commander Shepard must unite the forces of the galaxy to stop the Reapers in the final chapter of the original Mass Effect trilogy.

    Why do people feel like they can complain about the ending?

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    #2  Edited By phrali

    @Boobtank said:

    The internet is brought to you free of fucking charge.

    what? you get free internet? because as far as i know everyone else pays for it.

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    #3  Edited By WinterSnowblind

    1. The whole game revolves around your choices. The game set up the notion that you ARE in control of Shepard and have some degree of influence over what happens, this isn't a book or movie, so comparing it to something like that is stupid. Having no real choice in the final moments of the trilogy and all of your previous actions being compeltely disregarded was very disappointing. If they wanted to tell a linear story, they should have done that from the begining, not started in the last 15 minutes of the final game.

    2. The ending was just plain bad. I'm not going to go into details, plenty of other topics do that. But it was typical sci-fi high concept BS, something that ME has been very good to avoid up until now and was on par with the ending to the Matrix sequels, in terms of being pure garbage.

    3. If you actually believe this was ever supposed to be the true ending, you must be on some kind of medication. Bioware have even been dropping lots of cryptic hints over on their official forums and people have even gone through the game files to find alternate dialogue. This isn't how the game was ever supposed to end, it's been done to drum up interest for the game (although that's definitely backfired). They're going to release a "true ending sequence" DLC pack in a few months. That we probably have to pay £10 for.

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    #4  Edited By Willtron

    Except, people invested possibly hundreds of hours into Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3. And whether there's a pretense of choice, or the choices are shallow, or whatever, the game's still presenting these choices as huge--as absolutely Galaxy-changing. It's presenting these choices as DEFINING Shepard. And Shepard is a completely blank slate. YOU make those choices. Shepard is an avatar. And you impart your own choices upon the character, making the character, ostensibly you. You obviously are going to connect with Shepard, and identify with him/her. With choice, Shepard isn't a figment of Bioware/the writer's imagination, but the player's.

    I haven't beat Mass Effect 3, but from what I've heard, the game basically takes that notion of choice away from you. And it goes against this whole 'build your own character' thing. And that is insane. The disconnect is just baffling, and for some, infuriating. As always, the internet overblows things, but the sentimentality is completely valid.

    Don't give players choice, then go completely against choice. If you want to shape Shepard in a specific way, the writers should have hinted at it a long time before Mass Effect 3, or not given players much choice.

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    #5  Edited By Tylea002

    If the devs told you there were 16 different ammo types for your gun, and that was the main selling point of the game, but instead it only backfired - that'd be some kind of analogy. If any other feature was broken, there would be people yelling at them to fix it. And the story is broken. It's one thing if you hate the kid and and all that dumb stuff, but there are a billion incosistencies in the ending which ignore previously established canon. And right at the end, there's a scene which is completey out of character for your entire squad, with 0 explanation.

    Basically, both sides need to calm down. Those saying they'd like a new ending need to stop doing crazy things, and the other side need to stop calling the others babyish and entitled without doing their research. The people disssapointed are not stupid, and the vast majority are not demanding a free fix. The feedback they are giving is saying that future DLC should add/make changes to the ending or go with the indoctrination theory and move from there, without changing a word (My personal favourite option).

    Story is the main selling point in these games, and at the end, there are enough holes in it for it to be considered broken by many, and if the main selling point in any other game was broken, you bet people would be angry about it.

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    #6  Edited By Jay444111

    Considering the ending is absolute crap, filled with plot holes galore, Deus ex machina to the max, and is overall one of the worst ending in any trilogy since the dawn of time. The entire game series is officially ruined thanks to Bioware. Why play the games when the same damn thing happens no matter what you do? Why?

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    #7  Edited By Bleeble

    @Boobtank said:

    The internet is brought to you free of fucking charge.

    This is some sort of insanity.

    YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PEOPLE MAKING GAMES. YOUR SHEPARD IS ONLY A FIGMENT OF THEIR IMAGINATION. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT PLAY THEIR GAMES.

    Shepard is not some sort of thing you created. Shepard is something you created based on their game's gates and toggles.

    This is not a new idea.

    PEOPLE WHO CREATE AMAZING EXPERIENCES FOR US TO CONSUME ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TELL US THE ENDING.

    This is a really tough subject if your ...

    You must be new to the internet.

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    #8  Edited By ShaggE

    What a bizarre post...

    Do you go up to people who criticize a film's story and scream "THIS ISN'T YOUR MOVIE THE INTERNET IS FREE SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!"? People are allowed to express negativity toward a story. It's the people making petitions and trying to start lawsuits (edit: and spouting doomsaying hyperbole like is doing) that need a reality check, not those who simply vocally dislike the ending.

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    enlight me if you find a way to get free broadband, fellow duder.

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    #10  Edited By Willtron

    Also, please direct me to where you get your free internets.

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    #11  Edited By devilzrule27

    All things are great and its how the people who created it wanted it to be, so shut up.@Boobtank said:

    The internet is brought to you free of fucking charge.

    This is some sort of insanity.

    YOUR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PEOPLE MAKING GAMES. YOUR SHEPARD IS ONLY A FIGMENT OF THEIR IMAGINATION. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT PLAY THEIR GAMES.

    Shepard is not some sort of thing you created. Shepard is something you created based on their game's gates and toggles.

    This is not a new idea.

    PEOPLE WHO CREATE AMAZING EXPERIENCES FOR US TO CONSUME ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TELL US THE ENDING.

    This is a really tough subject if your ...

    If you're what?!?! Dammit tell me! Your cliffhanger ending to your post sucks.

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    #12  Edited By Enigma777

    @Jay444111 said:

    Considering the ending is absolute crap, filled with plot holes galore, Deus ex machina to the max, and is overall one of the worst ending in any trilogy since the dawn of time. The entire game series is officially ruined thanks to Bioware. Why play the games when the same damn thing happens no matter what you do? Why?

    It's the journey, not the destination.

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    #13  Edited By OmegaChosen

    @Willtron said:

    Also, please direct me to where you get your free internets.

    Step 1: Live next to someone with a non-secured wireless network.

    Step 2: Make sure to have a computer that can connect to a wireless network.

    Step 3: Lock them in the bathroom and take over their life.

    @Enigma777 said:

    @Jay444111 said:

    Considering the ending is absolute crap, filled with plot holes galore, Deus ex machina to the max, and is overall one of the worst ending in any trilogy since the dawn of time. The entire game series is officially ruined thanks to Bioware. Why play the games when the same damn thing happens no matter what you do? Why?

    It's the journey, not the destination.

    If the destination involves getting hit with a shovel I don't think I'd want to make the journey.

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    #14  Edited By Willtron

    Your forgot PROFIT.

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    #15  Edited By Vinny_Says

    Yo son you get free internet? Yo PM me I want to know how you dou it no snitching promise....

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    #16  Edited By Enigma777

    @OmegaChosen: Overreact much?

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    #17  Edited By Ghostiet

    Because people wasted 100 hours to see BioWare go lazy for the last 10 minutes. I'm not even talking about the plot resolution, because the whole ending sequence is obviously rushed and cut. Stuff - audio files, cutscenes - that shouldn't be removed for ANY understandable reason got removed. Stuff that could resolve a lot of the gripes people have about the ending.

    It's not a rushed ending like Uncharted 2's ending was rushed - as in "shit, there's no time and cash, we can't go as crazy as we did with the train sequence", so they settled "just" for a great one. It's not even like Mass Effect 2, where the ending boss was supposed to be much, much more ambitious but they had to scrap it right after they began work on that part because they went way over their heads.

    It's "let's delete random assets for no reason".

    BioWare also promised us that the ending will explain shit. It will answer questions. It won't be a "Lost" ending that's open to interpretation. And then it turns out they were lying through their teeth - the ending notes from Hudson and Walters end with "lots of speculation from everyone". Walters himself had the balls the say that "we don't need answers to the ME universe!". This is Dragon Age 2 marketing all over the place again. It's like David Silverman wrote everyone's PR script.


    Sure, it's their game, but people are their consumers. If they lie, they should get called on it. And they lied not only about the ending and choices, they lied about stuff like Javik appearing in the game without "From Ashes" or that you can get the "perfect" ending without multiplayer.


    @Enigma777 said:

    It's the journey, not the destination.

    But BioWare specifically said that it's about the destination here. That argument works with Inception or Lynch's movies - were the plot plays all the time with what is real, foreshadows stuff, puts in clues in favor of different theories, so in the end the resolution doesn't matter or shouldn't matter, because it's deliberately open to interpretation. ME3 is a great, cohesive game that decides to go Gainax at the last second and expect people to find it satisfactory.
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    #18  Edited By SeriouslyNow
    @Boobtank said:

    So at some point do you all think that you should submit to the developers endings?

    At some point will you submit how you get internet free of charge.  Stop being so coy about it.
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    Can you get me some free internet? You're not a cop, right??

    Dude, consumers have a right to review, criticise, and complain about the products they buy if they are not entirely satisfied. That's how this society works.

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    #21  Edited By FiestaUnicorn

    I get internet through the cable company, should I call them and ask about their free service?

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    #22  Edited By OmegaChosen

    @Enigma777 said:

    @OmegaChosen: Overreact much?

    I'm not actually saying the ending is like a shovel to the face; don't be absurd. I'm just using it as an example of the destination not always being worth the journey. Hyperbole.

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    #23  Edited By allgrinzz

    @Enigma777: I hate that.. "it's the journey" bit.. Granted the journey was fun, rather wonderful really, but if the destination is somewhere I really don't want to go, the journey becomes a real drag. A journey that I have no ambition to take again anytime soon. :(

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    #24  Edited By Pinworm45

    This might be the worst thread I've ever seen

    Congratulations.

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    #25  Edited By napalm

    Alright, bro.

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    #26  Edited By Atary77

    @WinterSnowblind: Here here

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    #27  Edited By Harkat

    "Why do people feel like they can complain about the ending?"

    I dunno, why do those pesky game critics feel like they can criticize a game? In fact, they even get games for free from the publisher! How dare they be so entitled!?

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    #28  Edited By kyrieee

    Because I paid 200$ for the whole series. That gives me the right to complain. It doesn't give me the right to a new ending, but it sure as fuck gives me the right to complain.

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    #29  Edited By mordukai

    Why do people feel like they can complain about the people complaining. So people have no right what so ever to criticize a game they paid for when said game ends up taking a piss on you?

    At least all this anger and frustration comes from a place of love and not hate. People would not have complained this much if they didn't absolutely loved the Mass Effect series. In fact all the shit Bioware has been getting since the abomination that was DAII all comes from the love gamers have for that company.

    Personally I feel Bioware has dropped the ball with this crap of an ending. It felt unfinished, rushed, and frankly lazy.

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    #30  Edited By leinad44

    We have a right to our own opinion. And my opinion is that this game is great right until the last 10 minutes, the bit with Anderson and The Illusive Man just before the Space God Child was great. This ending felt so random and out of wack with what the mass effect series is and has stood for. It seems to me that Bioware were rushed to produce an ending, as crappy as it has turned out to be.

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    #31  Edited By GuyIncognito

    Dolan is that you?

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    #32  Edited By Oldirtybearon

    @Boobtank said:

    The internet is brought to you free of fucking charge.

    This is some sort of insanity.

    YOUR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PEOPLE MAKING GAMES. YOUR SHEPARD IS ONLY A FIGMENT OF THEIR IMAGINATION. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT PLAY THEIR GAMES.

    Shepard is not some sort of thing you created. Shepard is something you created based on their game's gates and toggles.

    This is not a new idea.

    PEOPLE WHO CREATE AMAZING EXPERIENCES FOR US TO CONSUME ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TELL US THE ENDING.

    This is a really tough subject if your ...

    I'm guessing the doctor missed with the coat hanger in your case, huh?

    Real shame. We had enough stupid going around as is.

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    #33  Edited By MooseyMcMan

    Because you're a troll just trying to take advantage of a known "current issue" in the world of video games, and don't actually care about the people like me who have been invested and obsessed with this universe for the last five years?

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    #34  Edited By jeanluc  Staff

    Uhh people are aloud to complain about whatever they want. If no one complained about anything then publishers and developers would never get called out on their shit and would do as they please.

    Its like when people tell you that you can't complain that a free mod sucks because its free and made by some guy in his bedroom. Fuck that! Its my time I'm spending on it so if I think it sucks then I should be able to complain about it.

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    #35  Edited By Mirado

    @Boobtank: "Why do people feel like they can complain about the ending?"

    What's stopping us?

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    #36  Edited By PK_Koopa

    I...I don't understand. You joined a website dedicated to reviewing videogames, and now your asking why people can feel like they can criticize videogames?

    I'm guessing that perhaps you meant to address the people that were taking this too far, to which I'd still answer that they kind of have the right to. I mean, the main selling point of Mass Effect 3 is to see how everything concludes, and how YOUR Sheppard's actions decided the ending you got. Bioware screwed that up, and now people are complaining. Some people are being a bit more ridiculous than others, but as consumers who have invested countless hours into the Mass Effect universe, they have the right to.

    Besides, criticism is a good thing! Games get better when receiving criticisms 'cause developers can build on that. I mean, just look at how much better Assassin's Creed 2 is compared to the original.

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    #38  Edited By ventilaator

    It's amazing how little sense any of the first post makes.

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    #39  Edited By Justin258

    I get to complain about it because I spent sixty fucking greenbacks on it.

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    #40  Edited By matiaz_tapia

    Yes people DO have the right to complain. Even the crazy ones.

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    #41  Edited By darkdragonmage99

    And the ending reeked of bad writing and was fucking horrible how dare you have a different opinion you have no right to disagree with me . 

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    #42  Edited By linkster7

    @Boobtank: Since when did it become wrong to complain about something you don't like on the Internet ?

    I thought that was kind of the point, besides porn of course.

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    #44  Edited By trace

    Given that we have almost enough ME3 ending threads to fill a small landfill*, we don't need yet another one essentially asking why people are making so many of these bloody threads. Thanks!

    *Dramatization. Threads aren't physical objects, geez

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