Really, really cool. Looking forward to this a lot and the demo comes out for both PSN/Xbox 360 on the 22nd if you're one of the very few people (like me) who hasn't played it.

7 minutes? Now that's a damn Metal Gear trailer. Still can't stand the gruffer voice for Raiden, but the gameplay looks pretty cool all the same. With this, DmC, and Anarchy Reigns before it, it's already shaping up to be a fine year for character-action games.

I still think it looks like trash. Every screen/video has demoed sparse, limited-pallet areas... and in 2013 I just can't abide that.

@Yummylee said:

7 minutes? Now that's a damn Metal Gear trailer. Still can't stand the gruffer voice for Raiden, but the gameplay looks pretty cool all the same. With this, DmC, and Anarchy Reigns before it, it's already shaping up to be a fine year for character-action games.

Yep.

And yeah the voice in the very beginning really bugged me. I like his normal voice, though.

I haven't even finished with Anarchy Reigns yet and probably won't be for quite sometime. Picking up DmC today and have Rising on reserve. I am really pumped to play and put more times into these games. So far AR pleases me.

@GetEveryone said:

I still think it looks like trash. Every screen/video has demoed sparse, limited-pallet areas... and in 2013 I just can't abide that.

Eh, I think the game looks fine. I'll live with it considering the game play looks completely boss to me. Which I am sure it will be considering it is P* games anyway.

Who's that Gilbert Gottfriend sounding mother-fcker at the start? Sounds terrible, thankfully he reverts to normal soon enough.

Really wish this was still coming out on PC....

Cyber-Raiden driving a car is both the dumbest and greatest thing ever.

@GunstarRed said:

Cyber-Raiden driving a car is both the dumbest and greatest thing ever.

I can't not imagine a legit, white-collar Cyborg Raiden discussing the increased tax payment for nanomachines at the water-cooler or something.

I am really looking forward to the combat but I really hate the new turn Raiden's personality has taken and the bullshit cynicism of world they're showing off. Just comes off as stupid and mean spirited.

@Sanious said:

@GetEveryone said:

I still think it looks like trash. Every screen/video has demoed sparse, limited-pallet areas... and in 2013 I just can't abide that.

Eh, I think the game looks fine. I'll live with it considering the game play looks completely boss to me. Which I am sure it will be considering it is P* games anyway.

I'll never understand this. A decent system doesn't make up for something utterly bland, as far as I'm concerned.

Each to their own, though. I'm sure the combat will be great, I just couldn't care less given the rest of the package.

"Cutting soon"

Yes.

@Daneian said:

I am really looking forward to the combat but I really hate the new turn Raiden's personality has taken and the bullshit cynicism of world they're showing off. Just comes off as stupid and mean spirited.

I agree with you about Raiden, but then I never liked him all that much in MGS4, either. I just don't think Quinton Flynn has the sort of voice that can suit some sort of all-powerful badass, and whenever he tries to gravel it up David Hayter style, it just sounds so terribly forced.

Not sure about this any more. The combat looked a bit simple and easy but that might have just been on an easy setting. Raiden going that insane and sounding like a robo-pirate is also weird. Wasn't he going to stay at home and be a family man after 4?

Lost a bit of faith in this game even though it is platinum making it

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

@GetEveryone said:

@Sanious said:

@GetEveryone said:

I still think it looks like trash. Every screen/video has demoed sparse, limited-pallet areas... and in 2013 I just can't abide that.

Eh, I think the game looks fine. I'll live with it considering the game play looks completely boss to me. Which I am sure it will be considering it is P* games anyway.

I'll never understand this. A decent system doesn't make up for something utterly bland, as far as I'm concerned.

Each to their own, though. I'm sure the combat will be great, I just couldn't care less given the rest of the package.

I didn't say it did make up for it. I don't think it looks as bad as you or that it is something that is that detrimental that it will affect my enjoyment of the game is all.

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

@Hizang said:

@IBurningStar

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

I take it you never saw any Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer?

Didn't all of the MGS4 Trailers take scenes from Act 1, the first fifth of the game?

I wish someone tweeted Hideo Kojima and asked him what he thought of this trailer and he would reply with an @ for Kamiya "eh whatever" so we can come around full circle

So it's Raiden with PTSD? Alright Platinum, show me whatcha got.

@Hizang said:

@IBurningStar

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

I take it you never saw any Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer?

Didn't all of the MGS4 Trailers take scenes from Act 1, the first fifth of the game?

I'm not terribly impressed by this honestly....and I suppose that is the point of the trailer but it makes Raiden just look like a goddamn psychopath rather than a hero. I suppose I should reserve final judgement on if I'm going to purchase this or Tomb Raider for when the demo arrives however. I'm just really digging what Tomb Raider is doing more at this point.

@Yummylee said:

@Daneian said:

I am really looking forward to the combat but I really hate the new turn Raiden's personality has taken and the bullshit cynicism of world they're showing off. Just comes off as stupid and mean spirited.

I agree with you about Raiden, but then I never liked him all that much in MGS4, either. I just don't think Quinton Flynn has the sort of voice that can suit some sort of all-powerful badass, and whenever he tries to gravel it up David Hayter style, it just sounds so terribly forced.

Yeah it's kind of weird. In MGS2 Raiden's character arc seemed to suggest that he'd just go home and stop trying to play soldier or at least he'd stop treating everything like a game. He'd become his own person and put the past behind him. MGS4 sort of crapped on that but he at least seemed to have some sort of arc there when he again stopped being lied to and put the past behind him. Now he just seems crazy which could be interesting if there was some sort of twist to it. What if this game was all VR or something?

@Hizang said:

@Wrighteous86

@Hizang said:

@IBurningStar

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

I take it you never saw any Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer?

Didn't all of the MGS4 Trailers take scenes from Act 1, the first fifth of the game?

No, only the very early ones, there are some that show MGS Rex Vs MGS Ray, Tons of Act II Raide. Stuff, Act 3 shit going down etc.

Really? That's CRAZY. They should've kept the Rex/Ray fight hidden at least.

Psychotic Child Soldier Personality GO!

Can he not take that suit of armour off? Or is this what his body is made up of now? Looks incredibly weird seeing him drive a car in that suit.

@Wrighteous86 said:

@Hizang said:

@Wrighteous86

@Hizang said:

@IBurningStar

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

I take it you never saw any Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer?

Didn't all of the MGS4 Trailers take scenes from Act 1, the first fifth of the game?

No, only the very early ones, there are some that show MGS Rex Vs MGS Ray, Tons of Act II Raide. Stuff, Act 3 shit going down etc.

Really? That's CRAZY. They should've kept the Rex/Ray fight hidden at least.

I don't remember any of those trailers. Apparently I must have missed them or something, because the first time I saw Rex vs Ray was when I got to it in game.

'Platinum Games'

That is all we need to know! Don't worry. They've got this!

"Deadly force is authorized"

*Puts away gun and takes out stick*

@probablytuna: Hes a robot. At some point in MGS they literally took off his head minus the lower jaw and put it on that robo body.

Now that just makes me want to see him have multiple bodys for different uses though. Oh going out to dinner? Better put my head on my suavest looking robot first.

@Ghostiet said:

@Nottle: He's a child soldier. I could see him having permanent PTSD right now, especially since he's essentially robbed from a normal life, since the only non-cybernetic part of his body is his head above his upper lip minus an eye.

Yes, but in MGS2 the idea of killing being enjoyable was something Riden feared. It's mentioned a few times to Rose and Snake. In MGS4 he was cold and cynical but by the end he was with his family again. I'm just wondering how they undo some of his character development or what pushed him over the edge. Because in MGS4 he had the robot body but didn't seem quite evil, just depressed.

I understand where they are going with this "losing his mind" much in the same vain as Gray Fox, and it is a nice connection, digging deeper into the trade-off's of becoming a cyborg, but the fact that this game seems to clash somewhat with the ending to 4 and that awful gruff voice really puts me off.

I didn't really care about Revengeance before this trailer.

NOW I NEED IT TO LIVE.

HE IS A ROBOT MAN COMMUTING TO WORK IN HIS HYBRID VEHICLE AND THEN HE CUTS POLICE OFFICERS IN HALF WITH HIS FOOT KATANA.

THIS IS WHAT VIDEO GAMES NEEDED.

Think the gameplay looks great but seeing ridiculous cyborg monstrosity Raiden driving the most normal car was just hilarious. The whole car chase was kind of dumb really.

@Nottle said:

@Yummylee said:

@Daneian said:

I am really looking forward to the combat but I really hate the new turn Raiden's personality has taken and the bullshit cynicism of world they're showing off. Just comes off as stupid and mean spirited.

I agree with you about Raiden, but then I never liked him all that much in MGS4, either. I just don't think Quinton Flynn has the sort of voice that can suit some sort of all-powerful badass, and whenever he tries to gravel it up David Hayter style, it just sounds so terribly forced.

Yeah it's kind of weird. In MGS2 Raiden's character arc seemed to suggest that he'd just go home and stop trying to play soldier or at least he'd stop treating everything like a game. He'd become his own person and put the past behind him. MGS4 sort of crapped on that but he at least seemed to have some sort of arc there when he again stopped being lied to and put the past behind him. Now he just seems crazy which could be interesting if there was some sort of twist to it. What if this game was all VR or something?

Some people would think that would be a cop out probably, but honestly if done well that could be pretty sick.

@Cronus42 said:

@probablytuna: Hes a robot. At some point in MGS they literally took off his head minus the lower jaw and put it on that robo body.

Now that just makes me want to see him have multiple bodys for different uses though. Oh going out to dinner? Better put my head on my suavest looking robot first.

Oh wow... Now I just imagined how cool/hilarious it would be if you could unlock robotic imitations of bodies from different characters across the game, sorta how like you could unlock different faces in MGS4.

God damn I want this. Is this thing actually coming to PC? I mean, I know the Wiki says it is, but I haven't heard anything about it.

@Sanious said:

@Nottle said:

@Yummylee said:

@Daneian said:

I am really looking forward to the combat but I really hate the new turn Raiden's personality has taken and the bullshit cynicism of world they're showing off. Just comes off as stupid and mean spirited.

I agree with you about Raiden, but then I never liked him all that much in MGS4, either. I just don't think Quinton Flynn has the sort of voice that can suit some sort of all-powerful badass, and whenever he tries to gravel it up David Hayter style, it just sounds so terribly forced.

Yeah it's kind of weird. In MGS2 Raiden's character arc seemed to suggest that he'd just go home and stop trying to play soldier or at least he'd stop treating everything like a game. He'd become his own person and put the past behind him. MGS4 sort of crapped on that but he at least seemed to have some sort of arc there when he again stopped being lied to and put the past behind him. Now he just seems crazy which could be interesting if there was some sort of twist to it. What if this game was all VR or something?

Some people would think that would be a cop out probably, but honestly if done well that could be pretty sick.

3 hours into the game it pulls out and now your playing Phantom Pain. It wasn't Snake in that trailer, it was Raiden. DUN DUN DUNNNN.

@Wrighteous86 said:

@Hizang said:

@Wrighteous86

@Hizang said:

@IBurningStar

At first I was like, "Why is he talking in this dumb voice?!" Then it revealed that Raiden has apparently lost his mind and is totally crazy now and I was like, "OK, this could be interesting." It is definitely unexpected. I really wish they didn't give away that plot point in a trailer, though. Spoiling anything in a trailer is very un-Metal Gear.

I take it you never saw any Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer?

Didn't all of the MGS4 Trailers take scenes from Act 1, the first fifth of the game?

No, only the very early ones, there are some that show MGS Rex Vs MGS Ray, Tons of Act II Raide. Stuff, Act 3 shit going down etc.

Really? That's CRAZY. They should've kept the Rex/Ray fight hidden at least.

I don't remember any of those trailers. Apparently I must have missed them or something, because the first time I saw Rex vs Ray was when I got to it in game.

His voice was inconsistent, I wonder if it's because he turns crazy as a result of him being a cyborg at some point in the game.

@LordXavierBritish said:

HE IS A ROBOT MAN COMMUTING TO WORK IN HIS HYBRID VEHICLE.

What? His car is a cyborg TOO?

@Demoskinos: If you're talking about the premise of Laura's growth from naive girl to confident adventurer, I've heard that entire arc happens during the first hour or so and the rest of the time is spent just mercing fools.

@Lucifer said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

HE IS A ROBOT MAN COMMUTING TO WORK IN HIS HYBRID VEHICLE.

What? His car is a cyborg TOO?

HIS CAR IS ROSE. WIFE CAR AKA WAR

I think the combat looks great.

@probablytuna said:

Can he not take that suit of armour off? Or is this what his body is made up of now? Looks incredibly weird seeing him drive a car in that suit.

He can take it off.

@GunstarRed said:

Cyber-Raiden driving a car is both the dumbest and greatest thing ever.

@Nottle said:

@Lucifer said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

HE IS A ROBOT MAN COMMUTING TO WORK IN HIS HYBRID VEHICLE.

What? His car is a cyborg TOO?

HIS CAR IS ROSE. WIFE CAR AKA WAR

HIS CAR WAS A METAL GEAR ALL ALONG. AND THE FIFTH PATRIOT. BECAUSE NANOMACHINES.

Combat looks slick, but holy cow that Jack the Ripper zinger towards the end was beyond awful.

@BigBoss1911 said:

@probablytuna said:

Can he not take that suit of armour off? Or is this what his body is made up of now? Looks incredibly weird seeing him drive a car in that suit.

He can take it off.

Thanks for the reminder of why plot-wise, this game looks like it's going to piss me off. MGS4 concluded Raiden's character arc. He had come to terms with himself, and finally found happiness with the family he always wanted. Revengeance made sense for the character when it was supposed to take place before MGS4. Now it's just like, well fuck it, let's pretend the things he went through in MGS4 just didn't happen.

Obviously I'll withhold judgment until I play the game, but it's definitely something that worries me as someone that actually cares about something as ridiculous as narrative consistency in a stupid series like Metal Gear.

Didn't they say this game is non-canon? Raiden's change in personality from the Solid games could be them just deciding "fuck it let's make him crazy because hell yeah"