My theory, please discuss (spoilers for the whole series)

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#1 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -

I say that we're gonna have two different time periods detailing the two main threads hinted at but not fully explored in MGS4.

1. Raiden's cyborg origin - The full story of his relation to Big Mama (Eva), his rescue of Sunny and his torture by the Patriots to make him into the kickass ninja he is today!
2. The War - More insight into the conflict between Zero and Big Boss, told from the eyes of Big Boss himself (Naked Snake) whilst he was forming Outer Heaven, they can still use David Hayter as the voice!

I know this board isnt as active as the one on gamefaqs, but please discuss...
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#2 Posted by Drebin_893 (3176 posts) -

Why is this spoilers for the whole series?

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#3 Posted by Ryu (394 posts) -

Sounds good to me.

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#4 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -
@Drebin_893: Well I'm just covering bases for what people might want to relate to when talking about theories for future developments
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#5 Posted by Drebin_893 (3176 posts) -

Ah, course. Sorry, man. Yeah, I think it sounds good, but nothing's beyond Kojima.

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#6 Posted by Ket87 (472 posts) -

I like the concept of  a game based on the secret war between Big Boss and Zero would be cool, but I don't think having dual timelines would work. Spreading the focus out would be an injustice to both storylines. They just wouldn't seem as fleshed out if you had only 50% or less of the game time devoted to one storyline.

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#7 Posted by Log (183 posts) -

I honestly could care less about Raiden's story, sure he was a badass in MGS4 but he was a god damn cyborg. For me its all bout Big Boss or ill be annoyed.

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#8 Posted by TwoOneFive (9786 posts) -

something tells me this is just a new mgs4 with extra stuff, we'll get to rescue sunny from area 51, and do some crazy stuff as big boss for some odd reason. 

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#9 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -

I kinda thought maybe it was just gonna be a DLC pack and Koj could have kept his word about not doing another game, but after th Big Boss reveal on the countdown site, I'm thinking it's something bigger.

Oh and Ket87 I agree about it potentially losing focus if both timelines where being dealt with, but I also think that part 5 of a series such as MGS is predominantly being bought by fans of the previous games so they can know more about th story and overall mythos of the saga, I guess  you could liken it to LOST these days, with the general public giving up when more ludicrous elements are brought into the story.
I think the flashback portions of MGS4, while they were intended to help newcomers to the story, ended up just being cool pieces of fan service, therefore further solidifying how much Koj knows his fans.
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#10 Edited by TheMustacheHero (6649 posts) -

For all we know Raiden could be wearing eye color changing contacts and got his eye shot out and then went back in time to fight with Big Boss and save the world  >_>

Or they could be announcing Remakes for the PSP and a new metal gear game for PS3 featuring Raiden/Sunny.

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#11 Posted by ImperiousRix (3095 posts) -

I feel like the cyborg they show looks too different to be Raiden.  I feel it could be Grey Fox and that the game will take place between Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops and Metal Gear 1.
Or Kojima could just be royally screwing us all and it's just the Metal Gear Solid 4 update.  At the very least I hope it's MGS4 for the Xbox 360.

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#12 Posted by FLStyle (6256 posts) -

Gray Fox had a normal human body until the time period between Metal Gear 2 and Metal Gear Solid so no.

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#13 Edited by TheMustacheHero (6649 posts) -

Other Predictions were that it isn't Raiden at all, but Sunny because of her eyes being brown, her hair being white (But Raiden's is too) And the fact that he/she looks to feminine to be Raiden and Sunny was a main character of MGS4 (sorta).

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#14 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -
Hmmm the Sunny angle could be quite cool, if she discovers the exact details of her mothers demise at the hands of Solidus, and then if it is revealed that who we think is Big Boss IS actually Solidus, that could be a cool little showdown.
The point of this new way of marketing and hyperbole is to detract from the focus of Snake as the main protagonist, Koj knows well and good how much Raiden divided people, so he's treading lightly this time I think.
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#15 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6649 posts) -
ShalashaskaUK666 said:
Hmmm the Sunny angle could be quite cool, if she discovers the exact details of her mothers demise at the ... [more]
That would be pretty funny actually, considering if, Big Boss at the end was Solidus,  Solidus didn't kill Snake at end and it would also explain the emotional attachment Big Mama had to Solidus' body because she knew he was the real Big Boss?

I don't think that's true though...Because Remember when you first saw Solidus' body in the back of the van, and it went to his perspective for like 2 seconds and it showed him growl at Snake?
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#16 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -

I think he was just on life support and it was like a spasm to show he still had some signs of life in him, depending on how you define 'life' of course, but still didnt Eva always believe that it WAS Boss inside their? I havnt actually played through MGS in a little while but I'm sure she was fairly upset when Liquid threw the body on the burning boat, or am I making that up lol?

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#17 Edited by TwoOneFive (9786 posts) -
@ShalashaskaUK666: i'd rather have richard doyle do the voice instead of hayter to be honest. 

One thing is certain. There is a new Metal Gear Solid game coming out for PSP, it was comfirmed via the Qore leak. You can't seriously think that crazy "next" Kojima site has nothing to do with a new MGS on PSP! However, I do believe there are two games. 
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#18 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -

Haha well the only tie we've got is the concept art relating to that particular time period with Boss, so yeh I'm inclined to agree with that assumption, but I like surprises, and Koj likes deliverin em!

As 4 Doyle, yeh he's awesome but it would only work for that age of the character, you couldnt have Hayter in MGS3 sounding like he does, then the exact same person (if it is him) with a different voice only a year or two later. 
I think I'm a Hayter fanboy tho tbh so feel free to discount my ramblings lol!

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#19 Edited by ImperiousRix (3095 posts) -

No no, it HAS to be Hayter that does the voice!
And as for the PSP Metal Gear... blegh if that's the big announcement.  I mean I really liked Portable Ops, but with Sony's new digital distribution format and the rarity that I play my PSP, I'm not diggin' it.

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#20 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -
@ImperiousRix: I know I mean with them announcing the PSPGo this year, they're gonna need flagship franchises to really push the platform, as they've clearly learned from th original PSP to focus on the exclusives, and not do ports of console games.
Anyway I'll be happy if they announce whatever they want for PSP, but SOMETHING for the next gen hardware, either a Raiden bonus DLC for MGS4, or a whole new game
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#21 Posted by Aeon (36 posts) -

I am so excited about whatever Metal Gear game is going to be announced. I messed around with those pictures from the countdown page ;P

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#22 Posted by MachoFantastico (6287 posts) -

That sounds pretty reasonable I think, I especially would love to see more of Raiden's backstory. Being the Raiden fan that I am, I was always slightly puzzled MGS4 never truly went into why Raiden had become who he had become. I also agree with the Zero and Big Boss theory, I would love to see the actual moment when they go against each other. Though I think considering some of these questions were never answered in MGS4 probably means that Kojima had them planned for future games. He clearly as more to reveal and I can't wait. For me this new Metal Gear game is the most exciting thing about E3 so far.

While I also believe MGS4 will be announced for 360, I'm pretty confident that this new Metal Gear game will be a PS3 exclusive. A time exclusive at the very least. But I agree, there is so much more kick-ass story they could tell.

Anyone want to have bets on a full title for the game? Kojima clearly didn't want to mention any title in that interview.
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#23 Posted by Benjamimmy (614 posts) -

It's so close until we find out! I can't wait!

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#24 Posted by get2sammyb (6686 posts) -

I think Kojima's going to make two games personally.

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#25 Edited by MachoFantastico (6287 posts) -

I've heard all sorts of theories on the actual game or games. One that keeps sticking with me is that rather then being one game set between two different time zones, it's possible that Kojima Productions (or maybe also some other developer) are creating two games that interact storywise with each other. Say that Raiden/Gray Fox/Adult Sunny Ninja character could be a key figure for a PS3 game while Big Boss or whoever he actually is, could be for a PSP Go! title which as already been technically confirmed.

But saying that, it's the actual look of the characters that just scream PS3 to me. They look to precise and well featured, reminded me a lot of some of the early Solid Snake shots for MGS4 when that was officially announced. So there is still every chance of this being one PS3 game. Lords of Shadow also keeps bugging me, more specifically that mask which seems very suited to that game. But that could mean Kojima Productions is working on both games... who knows!

It's hard to tell right now, the general theory going around is that we might actually find out official news even before the press conferences. So we will know very soon! Can't say I'd be super excited about a new PSP MGS game despite as much as I liked Port Ops. Considering the Famitsu interview, I just sense this is something bigger.

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#26 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (840 posts) -

I was right!!!! :D I know Raiden's setting hasnt been established just yet but as far as Boss's does I was dead on!!

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