The Most Important Peace Walker Tapes to Listen to Before MGSV

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(Alternate title: “This Ragtag Band of Mercenaries Has Tapes The Patriots Don’t Want You to Hear!”)
(Alternate title: “This Ragtag Band of Mercenaries Has Tapes The Patriots Don’t Want You to Hear!”)

With Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain mere days away, I decided to round up the most important tapes from Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker that may be relevant to MGSV. There are hours of tapes; so, I made this abridged selection of them in the hopes that this may save you time and help you get even more out of MGSV.

On Metal Gear Scanlon, @danryckert and @drewbert watched the supercut of Peace Walker's cutscenes, and while that is entertaining, my favorite(and most substantial) part of the game was mostly left out: the tapes. Much of the story is in the tapes, and MGSV apparently has a similar focus on tapes, as well.

Many of the tapes in Peace Walker are vital to understanding major characters like "Kaz" Miller, Paz, Huey Emmerich, Strangelove, and Chico. Plus, most importantly of all, the tapes help shed light on the motivations behind Big Boss(Snake) building Militaires Sans Frontiers, standing against Major Zero(CIPHER), and turning from the ideals of his mentor, The Boss, to forge his own destructive way forward. (I have also included multiple amusing tapes from Peace Walker, because in my opinion, the humorous bits of MGS are nearly as important as the more serious story bits.)

There is significant reason to believe understanding these characters and Big Boss's motivations will be important to fully appreciating MGSV as Hideo Kojima intended it. So, after listening to every tape again, this is my selection of the most important tapes for understanding Peace Walker and potentially getting the most out of MGSV. Hope you find it helpful!

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[Note: If you want to avoid Peace Walker spoilers, please do not read this; this is all PW spoilers. Also, I mention "Snake" multiple times instead of "Big Boss", because from my understanding of the story, Snake does not fully accept the title of Big Boss until the end of PW. Accepting the title thematically marks his shift toward a darker path that we will see in MGSV.]

[Note 2: Don't let the length of each video fool you. Most of the tapes are only 1-2 minutes long, and it's quite easy to get through all of the tapes on this list. I have labeled each tape name and the corresponding video that includes them. So, you don't need to listen to the whole videos, just the relevant tapes named in the list.]

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-- A Selection of Peace Walker Tapes Worth Listening To --

(Presented in roughly the order they are in the game. Along with a brief summary of each one.)

"Between Two Women". This tape of Strangelove talking to The Boss AI and struggling with her will speaks to The Boss's thought process as an individual. After fighting against the AI, it is quite interesting.

"Cardboard Boxes" and "Two Men in a Box". Kaz discussing cardboard boxes. Considering boxes remain a mainstay of the series and will be in MGSV, this is utterly amazing.

"Militaires Sans Frontiers" and "MSF goals". Kaz and Snake discuss why they built MSF, which feeds into their betrayed dream and transformation in Ground Zeroes and MGSV.

"Watermelon sellers". Dammit Kaz.

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"The Cold War and Peace" and "Perpetual Peace". Are Kaz and Snake war-mongers? Why do they view war as necessary?

"Electronic Cigarettes". Can you imagine a world without vaping? Snake can.

"Manhattan Project". Emmerich discusses why he can't walk and is so wary of nukes.

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki". More on why Emmerich resents his father and the idea of using nukes. Relevant to some of his motivations for MGSV.

"Father". Chico talks about his father and fleshes out his character further.

"River Valley" and "The Real Basilisco". Chico and Snake talk dinosaurs and his interest in unusual creatures. Fun and shows Chico's charm. There are a dozen tapes of him and Snake talking about Big Foot, Loch Ness, and all sorts of mythical creatures(UMAs). Worth looking up if you like this one.

"Paz". Paz discusses her name and backstory. Ultimately, it is a mix of truth and fiction, as you find out over the course of the game.

"How Huey met Strangelove" and "Letter to Strangelove". These tapes highlight Huey and Strangelove's backstory and have a bit of fun with Snake.

"2001: A Space Odyssey". Huey and Snake talk AI, Strangelove, and the name of his son, Hal Emmerich. "Hal. Now there's a good name..."

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"Cecile Cosima Caminades". Kaz, Cecile, and Snake discuss Cecile's name and the potential message in it. Hilarious. Must watch. Kojima is God.

"Cardboard Tank". Another must watch. Shows part of Kaz and Snake's dynamic and is just beautifully Metal Gear. A masterpiece.

"Upbringing". On a more serious note, Kaz talks about his growing up. Likely a necessary tape before MGSV.

"Why Miller quit the JSDF" and "How Miller met Snake". His reasoning for quitting the Japanese Self-Defense Force and how he met Snake. Really cool and once again vital for MGSV.

"Naked". Miller talks about Snake's "naked" outfit in Peace Walker and the origin of his old "Naked Snake" codename. Quite funny.

"Metal Gear" and "Shagohod". Metal Gear!? Tape discusses why certain weapons are called Metal Gear in the series. Plus some interesting comments on MGS3.

"Cassette densuke". Not a necessary tape, but it has fun Cecile and Kaz silliness. They discuss why tapes are so cool.(And they better be, as we've got a lot of tapes in PW and MGSV!) Plus, Kaz reveals he loves manga and trains. Kaz is great.

"Mimicking animal calls". Cecile and Snake. Another Cecile gem.

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"Soviet Research on Bipedal Locomotion" and "Granin". Explains Huey Emmerich's 2-legged Metal Gear and how he stole foreign research. Plus correspondence with Granin, with connections to MGS3.

"Che Guevara" and "Che's Footsteps". These tapes speak to the thought process behind Snake's decisions with MSF and its darker, later incarnation, Diamond Dogs, in MGSV.

"How Strangelove met The Boss" and "The origin of 'Strangelove'". Bonus info about Strangelove and The Boss. Plus Strangelove's name and some talk on sexuality. Probably not necessary for MGSV, but cool.

"The Need for Metal Gear". More of Snake and Kaz discussing why they need a Metal Gear like ZEKE. Relevant to his ever-changing ideology going into MGSV.

"Puppy Love". Such a cute tape. Chico talks about his crush on Paz and Snake gives him advice.

"Transmitting Data to NORAD". Hilarious. Snake and Emmerich talk Santa Claus.

"Personal History". Strangelove backstory. May not be necessary for MGSV, but a decent listen nonetheless.

"Huey". Strangelove discusses her thoughts on Emmerich, where the nickname "Huey" came from, and reveals things about Huey's character.

"The Boss and peace". Wrapup on The Boss AI's decision in Peace Walker to not retaliate due to her ideals. Appears to be foreshadowing for MGSV and Big Boss's fall.

"Survival requires pragmatic thought and action. But, you must still retain your ideals. If the gap between reality and those ideals ever leads you to lose them... I doubt MSF will survive."

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"AI and the female brain". Strangelove discusses empathy and foreshadows future problems with society. Not necessary but interesting. Especially relevant to the folly of the evolving Patriot plan to run the world with detached AIs.

"Sartre". Cecile discussing the philosopher Sartre and the evolution of "Big Boss" from Snake. How people defined him and he became "condemned to be free". Worth listening.

"Picasso"(just the ending) and "Macaroons". Cecile, Snake, and Kaz talk macaroons. Funny.

"Wine". Amazing. Drunk Cecile and Snake discuss how she dislikes "Monsieur Miller" Kaz.

"CIPHER". A short discussion of CIPHER(Zero) and Paz. Probably relevant to MGSV.

"Paz's True Self". An important discussion of Paz's motivations from the end of Peace Walker. What is the real nature of Paz? Why was she sabotaging ZEKE when she was planning to use it? She was being used by CIPHER, but as revealed in Ground Zeroes, she is now setting out to have CIPHER killed by Skullface. Where do Paz's true loyalties lie?

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[So ends the main story Peace Walker tapes.]

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The Secret EVA Tapes

What follows is a series of EVA tapes about The Boss and The Philosophers. May not be necessary for MGSV but could still be interesting, as they shed some light on a major character and the larger timeline of Metal Gear Solid.

Session 1 - 3

  • Session 1. As revealed in this tape, the Boss was part of the "Mercury 7" team that brought the US back into the lead in the space race. Yet, she was scrubbed out of history and then selected to infiltrate Russia to get space research secrets. This is why she had to leave Snake unexpectedly for Russia. The Boss didn't abandon him; she was still on her mission.
  • Session 2. Eva discusses The Boss's spy mission in Russia. How the Philosophers had her son, who grew up to be Revolver Ocelot, and so she had to be careful. More talk of space. Plus, once again, the CIA is awful throughout the MGS series.
  • Session 3. First manned space flight. Soviets tricked America through controlling intelligence and public perception. CIA lied and put The Boss in JFK's bad graces, leading to her eventual demise.

Session 4 - 5

  • Session 4. CIA pushed The Boss into becoming a NASA guinea pig. NASA now planned to send her into space, but they insisted on putting an unstable window on it for potential propaganda purposes. Due to its lack of safety, The Boss was basically sent to die in space.
  • Session 5. The Boss's flight in space. As she went up, she saw "a world without borders".

Session 6 - 7

  • Session 6. Suddenly, the window failed. The Boss's body was scorched by radiation as her capsule crash-landed into the sea. NASA and the CIA scrubbed the mission and her name from the official history. She would now only be used for "dark" missions. US leaders became increasingly suspicious of the anti-Soviet portion of Philosophers and wondered if they had been compromised. Thus, they sent The Boss to Russia to find the truth.
  • Session 7. In a tragic turn, the Boss found out the one who had tricked her and the US was The Sorrow, working for the Soviet-aligned Philosophers. Former lovers, they had never told him that his actions would deceive The Boss. They were then set to kill one another in service of the anti-Soviet and Soviet Philosophers' wills. They could not resist, because their child, young Ocelot, would likely be killed by the Philosophers if they both survived. So, The Boss had to kill The Sorrow. After that, Major Zero(CIPHER) reached out to her to form a new FOX unit and begin the mission in Russia to stop Colonel Volgin. At the end of the tape, knowing what he knows now, Snake(Now "Big Boss") says he can't choose the same route as The Boss.

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Strangelove's Tapes

These 3 tapes are likely not necessary for MGSV, but they are still kinda cool for fans of the series. These tapes include her take on The Boss and everything else in Peace Walker. It includes a retelling of her personal perspective of what EVA talked about.

  • A Chance Meeting. A tape about her meeting The Boss. She mentions the attraction between them and how close they became.
  • Joy. A tape about The Boss telling an old story from her past. The Boss found out she was pregnant and then was gravely injured in a failed mission. She lost part of her brain but recovered. The Boss talks about her larger plans to bring the US and Soviet Union back together.
  • Separation. The subsequent space mission and crash, as EVA described. It includes more on the Boss's perspective from space and her mission to change the world. Plus, her duty and fondness toward Snake.

Paz's Secret Tapes

These tapes appear to be Paz's diaries of her secret mission to assist Cipher's network by spying on Snake and Militaires Sans Frontiers. Yet, as revealed with in them, spending time with Snake and his crew slowly changes her. She is cold at first but begins to care about these people she was told had to be stopped. Tapes worth listening to for what they show about Paz's development and her struggle to get out from under CIPHER's brainwashing. Worth listening to before MGSV.

Diary Entry 1 - 3

  • 1st Entry. Tricking Zadornav. Dislikes kittens. Names "Nuke" the kitten.
  • 2nd Entry. Fishing. Getting to know the men.
  • 3rd Entry. She seems to enjoy cooking with Cecile and Amanda but is cold about them. She still mocks them but is starting to see them more as people. Hints at interest in Snake.

Diary Entry 4 - 6

  • 4th Entry. Soldiers playing soccer. Paz even played and then rested with them. She is starting to sound like she cares about them and appreciates the freedom from Cipher and the Patriots.
  • 5th Entry. Sunbathing. Strangelove talks about Paz's beautiful skin and how she needs sun lotion. Despite Paz's hesitance, Strangelove even puts some sun lotion on her. A bit uh... "heated".
  • 6th Entry. Paz caught a cold. Quite funny. Kaz plays a song. Strangelove offers to rub a healing medicine on her chest. Chico offers a little flower. She keeps acting like she doesn't care about them, but she seems sad that she has been raised to be a spy when she clearly enjoys their company.

Diary Entry 7 - 10

  • 7th Entry. A Birthday party for the soldiers. Snake and Kaz know it's smart to let them blow off steam once in a while. Former enemy soldiers rubbing shoulders and having fun. She wonders, if in leaving other countries to join Snake, maybe soldiers leave their hatred of other countries, too. Paz starts to question whether this is real "peace" and whether it is worth it. Cipher took her in as an orphan, and she fears if she defies him.
  • 8th Entry. She discovers Miller's weakness is women. Funny. Snake and Kaz has a wild brawl nude. Then they just laugh it off. Paz sees that Miller really only trusted one person, Snake. Realizes that she can't deny she cares about them. A must listen tape.
  • 9th Entry. Preparations are under way for a Festival! Paz has even been selected to be part of a band for the festival. Thus, she wants to stall CIPHER's plans. She relishes the idea of such a day of peace and doesn't want to have to kill Snake. She is starting to come apart at the seams.
  • 10th Entry. Somehow, her cover has been blown! She just wanted three more days for the festival before doing the mission, but CIPHER found out Metal Gear ZEKE was done and ordered her to act immediately. Paz figures out there must be another CIPHER agent in the base with Snake. She tries to sabotage ZEKE to delay their plans and hold off on killing Snake. Unfortunately, Chico sees her, and instead of keeping her cover, she decides not to kill him. Paz is sad and crying, just wishing she didn't have to do this, mere minutes before the final fight of the game between Snake and her piloting ZEKE.

The Final Tape

Kaz's phone call after its all over. He suggests that Snake(now Big Boss) does not suspect the truth. He is surprised to hear two sons have already been born from Les Infantes Terribles. Kaz suggests that Paz did not know -he- was the other inside agent reporting on Snake to CIPHER. He reminds CIPHER that he is only doing this as a business partner and is not an ally to him. The man, Zero.(CIPHER). This tape sets up how CIPHER betrays him and Big Boss in Ground Zeroes. Ultimately, it appears Kaz outlived his usefulness.

Extra "Kazuhira Blues" Tapes

A Japanese release exclusive, these tapes are unnecessary for MGSV but still worth listening to for Kaz and Snake being their usual amusing selves.

Bonus:

I also went through the tapes from MGS: Ground Zeroes, and while many may be relevant, the Pre-mission briefing and this tape of Skull Face explaining his origins and how he lost his skin seem especially worth checking out. Likely crucial for MGSV and not to be missed.

I hope this selection of the most important tapes(in my opinion) from Peace Walker may be useful and/or entertaining for you. MGSV is just days away, and digging through all these again got me even more excited for it. I love Peace Walker's many tapes, but I know not everyone has the time to listen to them all. So, hopefully this selection of short tapes will enrich your experience of MGSV!

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Good post man! I wish I could have these in a podcast format for on the go but when I'm at my computer I'll throw these on.

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@truthtellah Holy shit man, amazing job compiling all this. The Peace Walker tapes really give context to the motivation of characters who will feature heavily in V, and compiling them in one place for people who haven't heard them is an awesome idea.

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I'd say the most important tape from Peace Walker is "The Phone Call".

And it Ground Zeroes, the Pre-Mission Briefing ta[es are very important.

If anyone is confused by the story in MGSV next week, it's probably worth listening to the tapes you unlock after finishing missions in that game. The trend seems to be that if you want more detail, it's in the tapes; rather than a 15 minute long cutscene.

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Cardboard Tank is essential for everyone.

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Hell ya Chipcheezums. Just rewatched that Peace Walker LP. So good. 5 more days!

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@thevamp25: His Peace Walker LP is amazing.

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I've removed the direct video links, as they were majorly slowing down the page. Instead, I made each tape's name into a link to that tape. Hopefully that'll work a bit better for folks.

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Nice roundup. I've been trying to catch up on everything relevant to Phantom Pain lately and this made it a little easier.

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Nice work pulling the highlights, definitely going to listen to some of these. I only listened to Paz's diary and skimmed through a few others when I played Peace Walker cause there's just SO MUCH.

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@csl316 said:

Cardboard Tank is essential for everyone.

Yes it is.

Good list, all those were pretty interesting / hilarious.

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Thanks for putting this together. Most of these were new to me even after playing through PW and GZ.

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@truthtellah Great job setting this up. This helps people get caught up with Peace Walker and prepared for Phantom Pain.

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I've been waiting for this! Much appreciated duder!

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#15  Edited By Bollard

Big Boss saying "I don't like immitations, the real thing is much better" is amusing.

Oh yeah, and "The perfect synthesis of stealth and attack power!" "A zero emissions vehicle!" So good.

EDIT: Hah, Strangelove talking about Turing was amusing. Are the Paz secret tapes the same ones in GZ?

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It's amazing how different some of these tapes are to their Japanese counterparts. See カズ面白い!

Also @truthtellah here's some male bonding

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@bocam said:

It's amazing how different some of these tapes are to their Japanese counterparts. See カズ面白い!

haha. Kaz sounds the same in both(until the end). Kaz is so good. I hope he gets even more development in MGSV, because now it's established that he's basically a normal guy versus all these other people. He was a spy, but now he's just a blind man out for revenge. It's so cool. Should be some great tapes.

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That you so much. I was think about this just an hour ago. Glad someone organised it, the Cardboard Tank is hilarious.

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@truthtellah You sir, are a king amongst men! I was looking for something exactly like this to refresh my memory and to get a friend up to speed. Thanks for the effort, man.

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So just who was recording the naked Snake and miller sauna fight? That's a major plot point I hope it gets addressed in V

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Nice write up man, appreciate it.

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@truthtellah Thanks dude, gonna go through this now!

Edit: oh wow so that was Kaz with the ending phone call, and he double crossed Big Boss! It's like everyone who's not Snake is a double agent of sorts

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Thanks dude, I wanted to go through the Peace Walker tapes before MGSV, but I couldn't find a "complete" playlist or anything so I just gave up. This is perfect, though!

I'll be bummed out if there isn't anything like the Santa or Cardboard Tank tapes in PP. Although I'm not sure Kiefer can pull off the delivery Hayter does on some of the comedic lines... but only because I've never heard Kiefer do anything but "super serious" Big Boss before.

It's really good to get a bunch more backstory/motivations cleared up beforehand. That tape about Kaz growing up was crazy good. If a bunch of stuff like that got relegated to tapes in PP, it might explain why some reviewers are saying there's not as much/lower quality story this time around.

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"Up to two people can fit inside a cardboard box"

"Tell me how!"

This is gold!

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@lanechanger said:

@truthtellah Thanks dude, gonna go through this now!

Edit: oh wow so that was Kaz with the ending phone call, and he double crossed Big Boss! It's like everyone who's not Snake is a double agent of sorts

Yeah, and it sets up an interesting dynamic with Zero's betrayal of Kaz in Ground Zeroes. Kaz was blaming Paz for the attack, but really he was in on it. Yet, it seems he didn't realize he'd get blown up and injured along with Big Boss though. Now Kaz seems to be genuinely with Big Boss, and he may be the only person BB can really trust come V.

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@truthtellah: I don't think it means Kaz was in on it at all, does it? It just means he fed Cipher information that helped them. But he genuinely cares about MSF so I think it being destroyed was the last possible thing he wanted.

From the tape, seems like all he was after was money, so that's why he supplied the info. He goes out of his way to say he isn't a friend of Cipher.

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"Cosima Caminades... Kojima is God! Kojima is God!"

Yep. That's... about as egotistical as I would expect.

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@truthtellah: I don't think it means Kaz was in on it at all, does it? It just means he fed Cipher information that helped them. But he genuinely cares about MSF so I think it being destroyed was the last possible thing he wanted.

From the tape, seems like all he was after was money, so that's why he supplied the info. He goes out of his way to say he isn't a friend of Cipher.

True. Though, Kaz at the end of Peace Walker admits to Big Boss that he knew Paz and the professor weren't who they said they were, and he said he was using them. Yet, after the credits, the call reveals he didn't just know they were reporting on Snake, he was himself reporting on him. He seemed to think he'd get wealthy off this, but now with his body torn up, his sight gone, and much of what he built burned down, he is gonna go hard against Zero(CIPHER).

His larger motivations are still a bit uncertain, and I'm curious to see how he ends up turning against Big Boss to assist Solid Snake in Metal Gear.

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@arbitrarywater: I see him in the same boat as Kamiya when it comes to egotism.

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@truthtellah: Yeah you're right in it being complex with the part about him knowing about Paz. I feel like that was VERY left off the hook, to the point where I wish it wasn't in the story. How would Big Boss be cool with that? I haven't actually played Peace Walker, only watched the cutscenes and almost all these tapes you put in here at least, so I may be missing some nuance.

I suppose the money he gains from the Cipher spying could have been put right back into MSF so in that way he could be playing them (and they were getting everything anyways because of Paz). Aside from the bit where he knows about Paz it all adds up to me. That part makes it a little questionable. I think his loyalty does rest with Big Boss foremost but yeah will be interesting to see how it plays out. Like you say he ends up going against Boss at some point so I'm not sure how things will shake out.

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@truthtellah: Yeah you're right in it being complex with the part about him knowing about Paz. I feel like that was VERY left off the hook, to the point where I wish it wasn't in the story. How would Big Boss be cool with that? I haven't actually played Peace Walker, only watched the cutscenes and almost all these tapes you put in here at least, so I may be missing some nuance.

I suppose the money he gains from the Cipher spying could have been put right back into MSF so in that way he could be playing them (and they were getting everything anyways because of Paz). Aside from the bit where he knows about Paz it all adds up to me. That part makes it a little questionable. I think his loyalty does rest with Big Boss foremost but yeah will be interesting to see how it plays out. Like you say he ends up going against Boss at some point so I'm not sure how things will shake out.

In that final scene, Kaz mentions for Big Boss to look around and see what they've built; consider that they couldn't have gotten that big without taking advantage of their enemies. Big Boss seems to understand that Kaz was just doing what was best for MSF, as they are equal partners in it with their own agendas. Big Boss, for his part, also lied to Kaz about not knowing about Zero and the Patriots. To Big Boss, Kaz doesn't know the truth that he was part of the Patriots and knows Zero(the true identity of Cipher). Big Boss is likely forgiving of Kaz's perceived deception because he thinks he has been deceiving Kaz, as well.

What Big Boss doesn't realize is that Kaz was not -just- concealing that he knew all that and he actually does seem to know more about the big picture than he is letting on. He was spying for Zero(he knows it's Zero and not just Cipher) and was directly responsible for Paz fighting Big Boss in the end(he is the one that told Zero that ZEKE was ready and forced Paz's hand when she was getting second thoughts). Paz became a convenient out for him to shift blame.

So, in Ground Zeroes, Big Boss thinks they've set a clean slate between them, but Kaz is probably still spying on him. Kaz is simply caught by surprise by what happened with XOF and the inspection team. Skull Face is out to get Zero for some reason(sounds like he found out he was behind destroying his life, body, etc and wants revenge), and he told Paz he wouldn't kill Big Boss if she gave up Zero's location. Yet, that was clearly a lie, with him rigging her with explosives and (apparently) carrying out the attack on MSF's base. Skull Face seems to be using his attacks on Big Boss in hopes to get to Zero somehow, and it remains to be seen how that works out.

Skull Face and Kaz are the unknown x-factors which MGSV seems to hinge on, and they likely help drag Big Boss into hell. We'll see in only a few more days!

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"Cosima Caminades... Kojima is God! Kojima is God!"

Yep. That's... about as egotistical as I would expect.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Kojima is the canon god of the MGS universe. And in a way, that sort of makes sense. ;)

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@truthtellah: Ah cool I didn't know about the Big Boss keeping Patriots and Zero from Kaz so that makes some more sense with each kind of holding cards close to their chest about that bigger picture.

Going to be cool to see how this works. I think its all set up to really put Big Boss in the middle of a web of spying and doubling crossing so that he can come out of it as a kind of anti-hero because Cipher will be the ultimate bad guys.

Thanks for the info man.

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@truthtellah: Ah cool I didn't know about the Big Boss keeping Patriots and Zero from Kaz so that makes some more sense with each kind of holding cards close to their chest about that bigger picture.

Going to be cool to see how this works. I think its all set up to really put Big Boss in the middle of a web of spying and doubling crossing so that he can come out of it as a kind of anti-hero because Cipher will be the ultimate bad guys.

Thanks for the info man.

At least from how I understand the larger story, I get the impression Zero will end up switching control over to the AIs and Big Boss will slowly go mad fighting shadows.(thus the uh, weird diamond horn thing growing ever larger) Eventually, an anti-hero can go too far, and that's probably where Big Boss is going. My guess is, Big Boss will be a villain by the end of MGSV, setting the stage for Solid Snake and Master "Kaz" Miller to try to take him down in the MSX games. Thus wrapping up the entire Metal Gear series.

As he once said, when he stopped being Snake and became Big Boss, he was already dead. MGSV is likely his descent into hell, with the last shreds of him being consumed by war.

Creepy stuff, but I can't wait to experience the end of all this.

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@truthtellah: Agreed. Even though it's smack bang in the middle of the timeline, this seems like the most interesting part of the whole saga.

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@selbie said:

@truthtellah: Agreed. Even though it's smack bang in the middle of the timeline, this seems like the most interesting part of the whole saga.

It's like Star Wars Episode III but even better!

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@lanechanger: Hmmmmmmmm....sure, I guess :P Though if episodes 7 8 9 were released, then this could have an ep. 5 & 6 level of WTFOMGLUKE'SSISTER kind of revelation to it.

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@selbie said:

@lanechanger: Hmmmmmmmm....sure, I guess :P Though if episodes 7 8 9 were released, then this could have an ep. 5 & 6 level of WTFOMGLUKE'SSISTER kind of revelation to it.

ooo I like the way you're thinkin.

Can't wait for what bonkers new dimension they're gonna add to this brilliant cacophony.

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I hope hope there's some stuff involving The Boss in some way, flash back or whatever.

After listening to those tapes and remembering MGS3, it was just a reaffirmation of how The Boss is probably my favorite character in fiction.

Maybe a secret mission where you play as her a la Pseudo-Historical recreation, kinda fulfilling what Kojima said about The Boss being able to have her own game.

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@jinoru said:

I hope hope there's some stuff involving The Boss in some way, flash back or whatever.

After listening to those tapes and remembering MGS3, it was just a reaffirmation of how The Boss is probably my favorite character in fiction.

Maybe a secret mission where you play as her a la Pseudo-Historical recreation, kinda fulfilling what Kojima said about The Boss being able to have her own game.

Judging by a quick scene in one of the trailers, I'm guessing The Boss will still have some part in MGSV. I doubt she'll be playable in some way(though that'd be fantastic), but her impact will likely continue to be felt as Big Boss comes apart.

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Dawn of the Final Day
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Less than 24 hours!

I played more Ground Zeroes last night to refresh my memory, and that Skull Face tape definitely seems important. Looks like GZ's base was being used by Cipher agents, and Skull Face may have been operating under Cipher's orders even though his larger plan is to kill him. He wanted Big Boss to suffer before he killed him, and he does not appear to have expected him to survive their encounter. That's the only thing that went off his script.

Also of note, by the end of GZ, Paz appears to have finally accepted how much she cares for Big Boss and his crew, and despite what Chico was forced to do, Paz still cares about Chico and thanked him for trying to save her.

On top of that, a tape in that mission briefing mentions that in anticipation of the nuclear inspection, MSF sent a lot of their staff(including the Sandinistas from Peace Walker) to other countries. So, presumably, they may be part of rebuilding Mother Base and returning to the significant military force they once were.

Soon so much of this will be answered. (and so many more questions will probably arise! ha)

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Finally listened to the Chico tapes as well as the other two tapes you recover. Is there any significance to the one tape? I forget the name of it but its description reads "Do no play in music players" when you play it it is just a short 3-4 second burst of electronic noise.

Really interested to see where all this stuff leads.

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Finally listened to the Chico tapes as well as the other two tapes you recover. Is there any significance to the one tape? I forget the name of it but its description reads "Do no play in music players" when you play it it is just a short 3-4 second burst of electronic noise.

Really interested to see where all this stuff leads.

The real classified intel tape(Data Cassette)? If it's the one I'm thinking of, the exact details of it remain unclear(as you aren't shown the data), but Kaz explains at the end of the mission when you get it that, when put into their computer, the tape is full of data on how the Cuban base was converted into a black site. There's no audio to be found; it's just data of planning, layout, tactics, and funding of the base. Your informant originally tries to trick you since they were holding his family, but if you interrogate the Cipher agent, you get the real data.

Unfortunately, when the base was blown up, all you were left with is data that can't be corroborated. Cipher effectively covered up what his network, the CIA, and other countries were doing there.

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This is the best thread ever, that Peace Walker LP is really great.

Thanks for making this - can't wait to play MGSV.

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@truthtellah: Yeah, I got all of the tapes. The "real" tape is the one you get from the bald dude in the boiler room if I'm not mistaken.

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@voshinova: Glad it may have been of use! MGSV is downloading on my PC right now. So close!

@demoskinos Yeah, I believe the Data Cassette is that bald guy's tape, and it doesn't have audio data. The data is all the info Kaz got on what they were really doing at the black site.

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Okay, I think I'm caught up enough to really dive into V now. Thanks @truthtellah, you really saved me some time with this!

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@crocbox said:

Okay, I think I'm caught up enough to really dive into V now. Thanks @truthtellah, you really saved me some time with this!

Glad to hear it! I am really enjoying MGSV, and while everything is still really confusing, this stuff helps give a lot of things greater weight.

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