Kirby Tank!

The authors completely ignore a very important fact: the entire story is shown from Samus' perspective. That's why she's, you know, narrating. And since Samus sees the relationship as romantic, it only makes sense that it's depicted in a romantic light. It baffles me that these people, who have obviously spent unhealthy amounts of time thinking about this video game story, failed to notice that little detail.

Well, it would've, if the "it's sexist because she's too feminine" comment they snuck in hadn't betrayed their idiocy.

The story doesn't show you anything what Adam's done for her though.  No combat training, no getting her out of trouble, etc.  Just thumbs down with him standing there acting like himself.  At face value, there is no double sided relationship. 
 
If there is something on both sides, then Other M failed to do that, and at best makes the situation unfortunate.  At worst, it's disturbing.

" Kirby Tank! "

" The story doesn't show you anything what Adam's done for her though.  No combat training, no getting her out of trouble, etc.  Just thumbs down with him standing there acting like himself.  At face value, there is no double sided relationship.  If there is something on both sides, then Other M failed to do that, and at best makes the situation unfortunate.  At worst, it's disturbing. "

Adam shooting her in the back is not caring.  Allowing a Baby Metroid to float above her head for 15-20 seconds is torture like.  Yet she thanks him at the end of the day?  Shooting her in that situation makes no sense until you realized he saw Samus activate the Space Jump/Screw Attack without his permission.  He was trying to teach her a lesson.  He never shows any real remorse for treating Samus badly during the game.  He says 'I can't beat Ridley, only you can.' and it doesn't show he cares for Samus the person, only Samus the weapon.  It's also underminded by the fact that he almost got her killed moments earlier. 
 
This story is DARK AS HELL, even if it wasn't intended to be that way.

" The authors completely ignore a very important fact: the entire story is shown from Samus' perspective. That's why she's, you know, narrating. And since Samus sees the relationship as romantic, it only makes sense that it's depicted in a romantic light. It baffles me that these people, who have obviously spent unhealthy amounts of time thinking about this video game story, failed to notice that little detail.

Well, it would've, if the "it's sexist because she's too feminine" comment they snuck in hadn't betrayed their idiocy. "

 
 
@Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" The story doesn't show you anything what Adam's done for her though.  No combat training, no getting her out of trouble, etc.  Just thumbs down with him standing there acting like himself.  At face value, there is no double sided relationship.  If there is something on both sides, then Other M failed to do that, and at best makes the situation unfortunate.  At worst, it's disturbing. "

The game is being told from Samus's perspective, through her own words and narration.  Though it's not the most effective storytelling mechanism (there's more telling than there is showing), I think it's reasonable to take Samus's words at face value for what they are not not ignore them for the sake of uncovering some strange, twisted meaning out the narrative.  The writers are searching for hidden meanings where there are none to be found. "

" Adam shooting her in the back is not caring.  Allowing a Baby Metroid to float above her head for 15-20 seconds is torture like.  Yet she thanks him at the end of the day?  Shooting her in that situation makes no sense until you realized he saw Samus activate the Space Jump/Screw Attack without his permission.  He was trying to teach her a lesson.  He never shows any real remorse for treating Samus badly during the game.  He says 'I can't beat Ridley, only you can.' and it doesn't show he cares for Samus the person, only Samus the weapon.  It's also underminded by the fact that he almost got her killed moments earlier.  This story is DARK AS HELL, even if it wasn't intended to be that way. "

Yes, but the game does not show that Adam cares for Samus as a person.  That scene shows us that he cares for her only as a weapon and also doesn't respect her.  He shot her with an enemy circling overhead.  If that enemy wasn't there, then maybe it'd be more emotional.  In the end though, he shoots her, and she loves him for it, even when it almost kills her.   And the game doesn't acknowledge at all that this kind of relationship is bad.  He crossed the moral event horizon, and the fact that this relationship can continue in the future (Post Fusion) is even more disturbing.

" Yes, but the game does not show that Adam cares for Samus as a person.  That scene shows us that he cares for her only as a weapon and also doesn't respect her.  He shot her with an enemy circling overhead.  If that enemy wasn't there, then maybe it'd be more emotional.  In the end though, he shoots her, and she loves him for it, even when it almost kills her.   And the game doesn't acknowledge at all that this kind of relationship is bad.  He crossed the moral event horizon, and the fact that this relationship can continue in the future (Post Fusion) is even more disturbing. "

I actually very much like this interpretation of the story because it shows something you don't see in video games, ever. It's surprising to see Samus like this, and when I think about it, I think I would like her better this way rather than her simply being a "strong willed woman" type character. At least this way she is deep.

" I actually very much like this interpretation of the story because it shows something you don't see in video games, ever. It's surprising to see Samus like this, and when I think about it, I think I would like her better this way rather than her simply being a "strong willed woman" type character. At least this way she is deep. "

" @Meowayne said:

" Kirby Tank! "

oh god! no one is safe! "

Why should this essay exist?

Japanese can't tell stories for shit; no offense to them. I remember the Seven Samurai and the Magnificent Seven; those were great fucking stories, for they inspired the damned world on we should tell stories today. What the hell happened to Japan's writers?

" Japanese can't tell stories for shit; no offense to them. "

" @xyzygy said:

" I actually very much like this interpretation of the story because it shows something you don't see in video games, ever. It's surprising to see Samus like this, and when I think about it, I think I would like her better this way rather than her simply being a "strong willed woman" type character. At least this way she is deep. "

Uh...you don't see the potentially sick reality of the situation then? "

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" I actually very much like this interpretation of the story because it shows something you don't see in video games, ever. It's surprising to see Samus like this, and when I think about it, I think I would like her better this way rather than her simply being a "strong willed woman" type character. At least this way she is deep. "

Uh...you don't see the potentially sick reality of the situation then? "

Yes I see it... I think. Maybe I'm not seeing the full thing? What I get from the article is that Samus holds Adam in such high regard that, even though he is often and almost always cruel to her, she takes the pain, hurt, and dangerous situations he puts her in and translates that to love and trust. This leads to Samus being a very unreliable narrator and making us believe what she thinks about Adam and herself - while in reality, Samus holds an unhealthy obsession with this man to the point where she feels she needs to follow his every order even if it means putting her life in danger, and she does not understand the unhealthiness of their relationship. Her opinions are Adams opinions and she spends most of the game talking about their relationship as if it was a child talking about her father.  That's what I get from it and I still think that this interpretation is daring and does make a lot of sense, and could very possibly be a subliminal type of story that Nintendo has woven. Sakamoto did tell us to pay close attention to the story. "

My face when Samus is an android and has implanted memories from the Galactic Federation.

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

Not on-screen though.  Other M kills everyone on-screen. "

Next up, they write a thesis on the intricate messages found in Bludgeoning Princess.

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

Not on-screen though.  Other M kills everyone on-screen. "

Most of the squad was killed off-screen. "

" @KingBroly said:

" The story doesn't show you anything what Adam's done for her though.  No combat training, no getting her out of trouble, etc.  Just thumbs down with him standing there acting like himself.  At face value, there is no double sided relationship.  If there is something on both sides, then Other M failed to do that, and at best makes the situation unfortunate.  At worst, it's disturbing. "

The game is being told from Samus's perspective, through her own words and narration.  Though it's not the most effective storytelling mechanism (there's more telling than there is showing), I think it's reasonable to take Samus's words at face value for what they are not not ignore them for the sake of uncovering some strange, twisted meaning out the narrative.  The writers are searching for hidden meanings where there are none to be found. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

Not on-screen though.  Other M kills everyone on-screen. "

Most of the squad was killed off-screen. "

What I mean is you see a dead body with everyone. "

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

Not on-screen though.  Other M kills everyone on-screen. "

Most of the squad was killed off-screen. "

What I mean is you see a dead body with everyone. "

It's hard to show the dead body of a man that was completely obliterated in an explosion powerful enough to take out an entire sector of a massive research vessel in outer space. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

Not on-screen though.  Other M kills everyone on-screen. "

Most of the squad was killed off-screen. "

What I mean is you see a dead body with everyone. "

It's hard to show the dead body of a man that was completely obliterated in an explosion powerful enough to take out an entire sector of a massive research vessel in outer space. "

But they didn't show it explode, now did they?  We saw something explode earlier, so we know that the person on that is dead.  Not so much for Adam.  If it blew up on screen, I'd be much more apt to say Adam is dead. "

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingBroly said:

" @xyzygy said:

" @KingBroly: Well he's dead. So I guess that relationship is already cut off :P "

Two things: - Remember the end of Fusion - We don't see Sector Zero go up in a big fiery explosion with him in it, unlike his brother "

You mean aside from Sector Zero being jettisoned from the rest of the ship and exploding? :P "

Not on-screen though.  Other M kills everyone on-screen. "

Most of the squad was killed off-screen. "

What I mean is you see a dead body with everyone. "

It's hard to show the dead body of a man that was completely obliterated in an explosion powerful enough to take out an entire sector of a massive research vessel in outer space. "

But they didn't show it explode, now did they?  We saw something explode earlier, so we know that the person on that is dead.  Not so much for Adam.  If it blew up on screen, I'd be much more apt to say Adam is dead. "

That article really made you paranoid, didn't it?  This isn't Metal Gear Solid.  You don't have to work so hard at second-guessing the narrative. "

Theres a space opera going on in this very thread

Good read.