i just got my gamefly copy yesterday. and i decided to do a timetrial thing

Going up against the big boys during such a busy time is risky business. You got that part right. I too think the game might have done better with a more desirable release date.

It had so much potential... then DICE fucked up and put guns in the game, which totally killed the fun for me. It could've been much better without the guns and with better level design.

"It had so much potential... then DICE fucked up and put guns in the game, which totally killed the fun for me. It could've been much better without the guns and with better level design."

So did you check every single of your friends achievements to conclude no one had tried it?

Lets do some thinking before we make such a bold statement.

I played over 15 hours of this game, and never once did a time trial.

This was a fun game, that needed a tiny bit of work. All stuff that will be fixed in the sequel.

I agree that it flopped really badly... I really love parkour in games and at times when your movement really flows it's very fun and rewarding but sometimes it's just frustrating. I think the biggest problem with it are the enemies which are extremely annoying and not fun to deal with.

And it hasn't been a tangible sales flop, either.

Hmmmm. Im expecting it to come in the mail today from my local online rental place.

I think Mercs 2 flopped a little harder.

Sounds like people get through their groundbreaking innovation pretty quick.

"Sounds like people get through their groundbreaking innovation pretty quick."

Yes, bad timing I agree. I would have definitely bought the game if it had come out before the 'season'.

I actually bought Mirror's Edge instead of other games because I was much more excited about than anything that came out in the past months. But I agree, the timing was not good at all, they should have launched it earlier or waited a little while longer.
I still love it and think it's a great game though.

I like the fact that EA took a chance with a new IP in general actually. What do you want from EA the same old shit of Madden, Need for Speed? Also, that game was never hyped up that much seeing as how I never heard of it til a month before it was going to come out.

"I like the fact that EA took a chance with a new IP in general actually. What do you want from EA the same old shit of Madden, Need for Speed? Also, that game was never hyped up that much seeing as how I never heard of it til a month before it was going to come out."

Ehhh, I beat it in one night. Feel sorry for the people that bought it.

"SC4 flopped the most."

"dcpc10 said:

"SC4 flopped the most."

The what? Soul Calibur? I hope you didn't mean Soul Calibur...."

"Godzilla_Sushi said:

"dcpc10 said:

"SC4 flopped the most."

The what? Soul Calibur? I hope you didn't mean Soul Calibur...."

dude, Soul Calibur totally did flop. there is more buzz around the new MK game or even the SF remix than SC this year."

Spore

"I think Mercs 2 flopped a little harder."

Not surprising.

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august......december..........5+ months

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YOu can't base wheter or not a game is a flop based on your friends list. You need to go by sales

"StaticFalconar said:

"Godzilla_Sushi said:

"dcpc10 said:

"SC4 flopped the most."

The what? Soul Calibur? I hope you didn't mean Soul Calibur...."

dude, Soul Calibur totally did flop. there is more buzz around the new MK game or even the SF remix than SC this year."

LMAO!!! 

SC4 sold -

218k on 360 

155k on ps3

selling 350k+ in one month isnt a flop.  thats almost triple the sales Mirrors edge got. (Which didnt even chart on the top 10)

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169884

and "Buzz"? Soulcalibur came out in august..........This is december..........ofcourse the buzz is gonna go down after 5+ months. SC4 was no where near a flop.

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"Kersal_Massive said:

"

august......december..........5+ months

"

Math fail."

I didn't mind the guns.

But the combat was just god awful.

I died so many times trying to figure out what to do.

"They should have worked harder.... I mean look what mount and blade did with basically no budget.... people need to learn that they have to put work into there game or it will not do well."

PSO/PSU and FFXI aren't that obscure.

None of my friends have played Banjo: Nuts & Bolts or Geometry Wars 2 either. Whatever, though. There's just too many great games coming out every year and not enough time to play them all. Did you happen to like the game? That's what really matters here.

"Godzilla_Sushi said:

"dcpc10 said:

"SC4 flopped the most."

The what? Soul Calibur? I hope you didn't mean Soul Calibur...."

dude, Soul Calibur totally did flop. there is more buzz around the new MK game or even the SF remix than SC this year."

"Kersal_Massive said:

"

august......december..........5+ months

"

Math fail."

This game was more of a test to the formula it is based on. Hopefully there will be a sequel that goes deeper into the city and the story surrounding the game, and hopefully it improves on gameplay as well.
Levio91 said:

"They should have worked harder.... I mean look what mount and blade did with basically no budget.... people need to learn that they have to put work into there game or it will not do well."

Mirror's Edge had its positives and negatives, and I think the positives outweighed the negatives. Yes, it was really short, among the other things. At least EA attempted to try something new, and in my opinion, it was at least a mild success. I just hope they can iron these problems out in Mirror's Edge 2 (it will come), and add free-roam and free-roam co-op.

Oh god, that'd be awesome.

"I didn't mind the guns.

But the combat was just god awful.

I died so many times trying to figure out what to do."

Theres many who play this game on my friend's list, it may just be you.

Yeah, Mirror's Edge could have been cut some more slack with a better release date. However, it's less of an issue of business strategy and more an issue of:
-the game is very difficult and challenging (this is a very good thing). Most games now very easy to complete
-Mirror's Edge is different from anything anyone has played before
-it isn't a shooter or role playing adventure, which is not what people expect from a game that utilizes the first person perspective (just think about Geist [GC] and Penumbra: Overture [PC])
I personally think DICE definitely made something special here and can be paralleled with other gems like Gunstar Heroes [GEN] and NiGHTS Into Dreams [SAT]. The game does having occasional clipping issues with the monorail sequences, the mid level loads shouldn't be there, better AI should have been present. Though I just think that it would have given reviewers more ammunition to attack the game for it's difficulty. And I think the cutscenes should have been done in engine. Beside these three technical/presentation issues, Mirror's Edge is a fantastic and unique game.  I think people out there need to stop comparing this game to FPS titles in terms of visual accuracy and combat mechanics. However, it should be compared with other games in terms of graphical quality, technical quality, and other GENERAL aspects that make a game of any genre meet the standards of modern gaming. Hypothetically, if you were to compare the first 3rd person platformer (no one knows to expect) with the 20th 3rd person action role playing game (most everyone has played one at this point and expects games in this perspective to meet these "standards"). That platformer could be a great game in its own right, but will fall short because it doesn't meet the "standards".

It often 'looks' as if game reviewers (they're more like critics at this point) cannot make up their mind. Some will say "I want to see developers make risky ventures" or "I would like to see something new and different"... Well, Mirror's Edge came out and look what happened. Middling reviews for:
bad FPS action... it's not an FPS (the FPS genre is getting stale)
level of difficulty... it IS okay for a game to be really difficult (in case you don't remember WipeOut 2097/WipeOut XL [PS])
Jumping puzzles... challenge
the parkour not lasting the entire level... this is the worst criticism. If you could freerun the ENTIRE level without and care or challenge that would be just boring. Just hearing that sounds rediculous and just plain stupid. That doesn't even sound like a game - it sound like a sim or tech demo.


The gaming world simply isn't for a game like Mirror's Edge, or any game that tries to be different for that matter.

"Yeah, Mirror's Edge could have been cut some more slack with a better release date. However, it's less of an issue of business strategy and more an issue of:
-the game is very difficult and challenging (this is a very good thing). Most games now very easy to complete
-Mirror's Edge is different from anything anyone has played before
-it isn't a shooter or role playing adventure, which is not what people expect from a game that utilizes the first person perspective (just think about Geist [GC] and Penumbra: Overture [PC])"

"It often 'looks' as if game reviewers (they're more like critics at this point) cannot make up their mind. Some will say "I want to see developers make risky ventures" or "I would like to see something new and different"... Well, Mirror's Edge came out and look what happened. Middling reviews for:
bad FPS action... it's not an FPS (the FPS genre is getting stale)
level of difficulty... it IS okay for a game to be really difficult (in case you don't remember WipeOut 2097/WipeOut XL [PS])
Jumping puzzles... challenge
the parkour not lasting the entire level... this is the worst criticism. If you could freerun the ENTIRE level without and care or challenge that would be just boring. Just hearing that sounds rediculous and just plain stupid. That doesn't even sound like a game - it sound like a sim or tech demo."

"The gaming world simply isn't for a game like Mirror's Edge, or any game that tries to be different for that matter."

You put guns in your first person game, you're going to get an FPS comparison. Had DICE stayed the course and made this an actual freerunning game rather than having those lame combat sections, I daresay reviews would have been higher. And of course it's good for a game to be the right kind of challenging but this was not that kind of challenging. Jumping in first person rarely works and this game showed that. The only times I felt it really worked was when you could see her limbs and so it gave you guidance, but that was few and far between, particularly on some of the more awkward jumps. Also, to tie back in with your mention of the business plan: The game was marketted as being a parkour game. Not having it in some sections would be like having some unexpected adventure in a Madden game or something.