What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong. 
 
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military.

dude, it wasnt stuffed into our faces.
 
As an Australian I didnt really notice.

America, Fuck Yeah! Also, Red Dawn.

It used to but ive grown used to stupid patriotism

....it's the fucking army.  There wasn't a draft at any point before this game.  If they didn't have it, the soldiers wouldn't have joined up.

It's not as bad as war films (Saving Private Ryan, opens with an American flag. Tears and sad memories, you'd think that America was the only country fighting in WWII, which they joined 3 years after it started)
 
So I think Call of Duty is a known quantity

It's the army, dude. They have to keep their spirits up, especially when their own country is getting attacked.

 
@MB: God dammit. Ah well, a thread is not a thread without at least one mention of Red Dawn. "

Uh, half of the death quotes in the game are about how bad Patriotism is. So it's not overtly as you put it, the game is poking fun at Shepherd and people like him.

Other than the story being so dumb, the only thing that specifically bothered me was all the sad music that played, 'ohhh it's so sad all these cities destroyed in such a dumb story'.  They should have just kept with the rocking music every minute of the game, I prefer that over the cornball melodrama.

" It's not as bad as war films (Saving Private Ryan, opens with an American flag. Tears and sad memories, you'd think that America was the only country fighting in WWII, which they joined 3 years after it started)  So I think Call of Duty is a known quantity "

@Bones8677:
Yeah, I thought that the tone was quite the opposite, actually.

All these quotes about nations not being able to survive the fissuring of the atom, how patriots are boorish, etc. I think this poll quite misses the point. 
 
The fact that the game makes its point very crudely is another matter. It's just another dumb blastfest this time round, unfortunately. But a fun one.

 
@Bones8677: While I agree with you about the quotes, I felt like they were contradicted by what actually happened in the game. It's all very well to critique something like HOOAH-style warfare, but there was little irony or commentary outside of those quotes. Thats my reading of it anyway. 
 

" It's not as bad as war films (Saving Private Ryan, opens with an American flag. Tears and sad memories, you'd think that America was the only country fighting in WWII, which they joined 3 years after it started)  So I think Call of Duty is a known quantity "

All I know is, we're oscar mike. 'oorah 

"

 
@Bones8677: While I agree with you about the quotes, I felt like they were contradicted by what actually happened in the game. It's all very well to critique something like HOOAH-style warfare, but there was little irony or commentary outside of those quotes. Thats my reading of it anyway. 
 

well considering that the patriotic shepherd turned out to be a bad guy is quite telling as well. "

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

" @Tebbit said:

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

The US military doesn't just decide to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. The US military follows the orders of the civilian government. So really, your beef is with the elected government officials, not the US military. "

Its not the design choices in particular, it is being reminded that there actually are people on this planet who fall for that crap that is disgusting about it.

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

The US military doesn't just decide to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. The US military follows the orders of the civilian government. So really, your beef is with the elected government officials, not the US military. "

Is the military not simply the large dick of the government? "

" dude, it wasnt stuffed into our faces.  As an Australian I didnt really notice. "

" @Tebbit said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

The US military doesn't just decide to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. The US military follows the orders of the civilian government. So really, your beef is with the elected government officials, not the US military. "

Is the military not simply the large dick of the government? "

Um... well, the military kills dudes and blows shit up. I'm not sure, but I think a large dick... fucks large vaginas? "

Assholes that just want to shit over everything.@Khann said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

The US military doesn't just decide to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. The US military follows the orders of the civilian government. So really, your beef is with the elected government officials, not the US military. "

Is the military not simply the large dick of the government? "

Um... well, the military kills dudes and blows shit up. I'm not sure, but I think a large dick... fucks large vaginas? "

But dicks also fuck arseholes. "

As a Brit, absolutely. I'm just thankful the game isn't solely "America, Fuck Yeah!" like so many of these things are. Thank goodness for Price and MacTavish.

" Assholes that just want to shit over everything.@Khann said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

The US military doesn't just decide to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. The US military follows the orders of the civilian government. So really, your beef is with the elected government officials, not the US military. "

Is the military not simply the large dick of the government? "

Um... well, the military kills dudes and blows shit up. I'm not sure, but I think a large dick... fucks large vaginas? "

But dicks also fuck arseholes. "

 Assholes that just want to shit over everything. "

" @Captain_Insano said:

" It's not as bad as war films (Saving Private Ryan, opens with an American flag. Tears and sad memories, you'd think that America was the only country fighting in WWII, which they joined 3 years after it started)  So I think Call of Duty is a known quantity "

That movie follows American troops, and the opening scene takes place at Arlington National Cemetery in DC. Of course there's gonna be an American flag. "

" @Bones8677 said:

" @Captain_Insano said:

" It's not as bad as war films (Saving Private Ryan, opens with an American flag. Tears and sad memories, you'd think that America was the only country fighting in WWII, which they joined 3 years after it started)  So I think Call of Duty is a known quantity "

That movie follows American troops, and the opening scene takes place at Arlington National Cemetery in DC. Of course there's gonna be an American flag. "

I don't know where you get Arlington from. It's actually the American cemetery in Colleville-sur-mer, Normandy. It's basically just up the hill from Omaha beach. The point is, there's barely any indication that there were Brits, Irish and French soldiers on those beaches too. A bit OT, but I just wanted to point that out. I have no comments on the game. "

" @Tebbit said:

 
@MB: God dammit. Ah well, a thread is not a thread without at least one mention of Red Dawn. "

Dude, I had Red Dawn on VHS as a kid. I watched that tape so many times I wore the sound out. "

Uh, it's the army. They're fighting for their country and risking their lives so of course it's a fucking patriotic show case, I'd expect nothing less. Otherwise what's the dialog?
 
"Let's get those other sensible people! They have opposing view points and I respect that!"

yes. i hate patriotism in all forms.

You're complaining about a necessity portrayed in a video game where the characters needed it most. 
 
Considering that most people I've met don't really notice it, it's not that the game is overtly patriotic, its that you are overtly anti-patriotism. Which is fine, but your complaints are better spent on something other than the contexts in which Call Of Duty presents patriotism.

People are upset that an American movie about American soldiers in WWII is patriotic? Remind me to get annoyed whenever another country creates any media that's remotely patriotic for their own country.
 
 
@Weltal said:

" Uh, it's the army. They're fighting for their country and risking their lives so of course it's a fucking patriotic show case, I'd expect nothing less. Otherwise what's the dialog? "Let's get those other sensible people! They have opposing view points and I respect that!" "

i think the US army was shown to be less retarded than it was in MW1, and keith david is a badass.
but do all americans really think all russians are evil monsters?

Um I didn't really notice much Patriotism beyond the realistic behaviour of American soldiers. 
In-fact  on the whole the Modern Warfare storyline has been extremely none patriotic, the first game saw the Americans going in gung ho on faulty intelligence and getting blown up because of it. Hardly a propaganda piece for the Americans when its the British SAS who spend the rest of the game cleaning up the mess.  

Another option in the Poll entitled "I didn't think the game was too Patriotic"  would have been nice as I'm hardly going to choose the second one.

As an American, I easily say that Soap and Price have been the heart and soul of the MW series so far.

" Another option in the Poll entitled "I didn't think the game was too Patriotic"  would have been nice as I'm hardly going to choose the second one. "

Why in the world would we want to play as soldiers disinterested in their country? This is a game that centers around military individuals, not students of a U.S. government class. I think you're doing it wrong if you played a war game expecting toned down patriot talk.

" @Bones8677 said:

" Assholes that just want to shit over everything.@Khann said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" @Delta_Ass said:

" @Tebbit said:

" What really got me was that part near the beginning, during one of the loading screens, where Shepherd was going on about how every fight was America's fight, and it made me remember how your military continuously pokes its nose where it doesn't belong.  EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. for other things, like Jazz and McDonalds, just not for your military. "

The US military doesn't just decide to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. The US military follows the orders of the civilian government. So really, your beef is with the elected government officials, not the US military. "

Is the military not simply the large dick of the government? "

Um... well, the military kills dudes and blows shit up. I'm not sure, but I think a large dick... fucks large vaginas? "

But dicks also fuck arseholes. "

 Assholes that just want to shit over everything. "

 MATT DAMON , Matt Damon.. Matt Matt.. Matt Damon..   "

Well, it all depends on your philosophy of whether or not the world's only superpower left should be obliged to help the rest of the world.

Rather than "Every fight is America's fight"

Compared to the previous Call of Duty games, this one seemed to have the least overt Yankee patriotism.

I didn't mean clinically.