Hamachi has nothing to do with having dedicated servers. If they don't provide a dedicated server setup, it can't be created out of nothing.

" Did he give any reason as to why they are changing the model ? I don't see a big change in the way I play the game either way but whats wrong with dedicated servers ? "

Maybe because there are plenty Source-based dedicated server applications available to get and modify.

Edit: Actually, L4D has a dedicated server anyway. I'm not sure what's the use of that application other than the dubious "no need for Steam" bit, but clearly it wasn't created "out of nothing" since there's an official dedicated server to download and modify (if it doesn't even require it? It does say it needs hl2.exe among, probably, other things when you try to run it).

sigh.. where's my gun im gonna shoot someone.

Hope dies last I guess.

I just have to point out that people who think that this will cut down piracy are fucking pants-on-head retarded.
do you people know how piracy works, and how easy it is? no drm program has ever made piracy harder EVER. and iwnet will NOT change that trend.
 
 this is a prime example of why i hate drm so much: it only negatively affects the loyal customers, but the pirates are unaffected by it. it just gives people another excuse/justification of piracy.

" @Jimbo said:

@Diamond: All true, so the individual console gamer does not subsidise the individual PC gamer in any way at all.  The console market as a whole may be (is) most responsible for the game existing in it's current form, but that seems to be a different point to saying 'Console gamers have basically been supporting PC gaming financially for the last 3 years'.  That isn't the case: you, as a console gamer, are not paying more as a result of the PC market - if anything you should be paying less, because the (almost) identical development costs are spread over more customers, even if it is only 10% more.  So long as the dev cycle is shared, seperating the end user into 'console gamers' and 'PC gamers' seems completely arbitrary.  In the current multi-play business model, we are essentially identical.

Very true what you say that console gamers should be paying less, we really should.  I guess in a business sense they should also crank up PC game costs, but I'd be much happier if games just cost $20 new.  "

I wasn't even planning to buy the game but this definately sucks. A lot. Crippling the PC version does absolutely no one any good.

" Oh the melodrama.  Honestly, the 360 version of COD4 was perfectly fine online, I never had any problems with it.  Of course PC fanboys who never actually played the console versions will disagree, but that's why it was such a success on consoles.  As Jeff has said on the podcast, Modern Warfare 2 is a 360 game that is getting ported to other platforms.  That's the way gaming is these days, and frankly it's not bad at all. "

Posers. I was hating activision and modern warfare long before you idiots. 
 
 
Still, since Halo 3 i can no longer tolerate a game without matchmaking. I love forza 2 online but the lobby system feels so crap in comparison to the lovely world of playlists i hardly ever bother and just do endless test drives on my own. Matchmaking when done well (Go away gears 2) is the pinnacle of futureness

First SC2's LAN debacle, now this.
 
It's sad what's happening to PC gaming.

When you're in that 1vs1 situation with someone, both aiming at each other's heads, there are a few things that decide the outcome: your reaction time/accuracy balance, maybe some luck, maybe some environmental/game specific factors, input lag, mouse response time and connection quality etc.... Now when there's the risk of you already being in slight disadvantage compared to your enemy in some of the latter factors, you really wanna try to even out the milliseconds by always choosing the best pinged, still otherwise enjoyable server (good number of players and rules to your liking) located near you, which you apparently can't do with this console mock up POS matchmaking system. This is a total bummer, let's hope they hear the outcry of pc gamers and patch it later (though if they're gonna spent some time and money on this thing I kinda doubt it)         :(

Sad times for PC users. Hopefully Treyarch will support the PC users even though World at War's single player was decent at best.

To the tune of Idle Thumbs' 'Video Games'.
 
Fuuuuuck this gaaaame.

This is bullshit!
They literary removed everything that made the PC version superior to the consoles...

Ladies and gentlemen..it's official. The PC is now a very, very, very expensive console.
 
v_v /cry
 
 
LEFT FOR DEAD 2, HERE I COME! lol, IW fails.

" Ladies and gentlemen..it's official. The PC is now a very, very, very expensive console.  v_v /cry   LEFT FOR DEAD 2, HERE I COME! lol, IW fails. "

This is how they are going to make people pay for new maps. 

 
People will quickly move to another franchise if it offers what this game does not. 
 
It is that simple.

" @Lemmingzx: Lots of games have matchmaking..but L4D also has mods, and the last I checked, the SDK is coming out pretty soon. Heard it in an interview with GiantBomb :P "

Dedicated servers are the reason why I'm part of a gaming community in the first place.  I played the original COD on the same server with the same people for months and the majority of us ended up as admins for the cable company running the servers.  The only way to stick together would be to host private matches which would mean not allowing potential new members to drop in and see if our server is the right fit for them.  Or we'd have to leave it open and hope that our members can all get in.  We have 3 servers set up for the game and were making plans on what mods to run for a particular server.  I guess we shouldn't have assumed but I figured it was a safe assumption to make that there would be dedicated servers. 
 Matchmaking based on rank is for people focused on stats and people afraid of getting killed too much by better players. But hell, we've all had our asses handed to us by better players.

that sounds like its going to be a rushed game to me.

More time for TF2 :)

" @Bucketdeth said:

" I will not be supporting Activision in anyway, the only thing related to them that I will buy will be Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2. "

LOL I hate you, I hate you !! I boycott you !! I boycott you !! But I'll still buy your products... "

" Actually, people think, and it could be very true, that they are doing it to get a firm grip on the DLC for PC. Remember Jeff asking "I wonder how they'll be able to charge for DLC in MW2?"

it's possible to make people pay for DLC without this bullshit.

My major concern is how are established clans and communities going to play together.  I don't know much about how clan gaming works on a console or with matchmaking.  That's because dedicated servers are the better option, but now that there is no option how does it work?

It's funny how people can go on such a huge nerd rage when the game isn't even out yet.

" Yeah, no, its not. "

" @PowerSerj said:

" @pause422 said:

"Being 100% serious, they are better off at this point just not having a PC version, at all. "

That's pretty retarded. "

Not really.  With the information that came out today, and the obvious reaction it has received on the IW forums, I would guess that the PC version is as close to dead as it can get.  Just one small move like no dedicated servers kills SOOOO many capabilities for the game that are features and possibilities that matter to the PC community. "

That's just stupid. Why would they take out a feature (and a realy important one) that was already that was already there before? It doesn't make sense and all it does is make less people interested in getting the game.

Left 4 Dead has MM, BUT through dedicated servers. You would think they would of made a hybrid system for MW2

FPS games have always been better on the PC! What the hell is this?! Is PC gaming dying?
 
I personally think that Activision is doing this becuase CoD appeals to the mainstream community, and those noobs don't even know a computer can be sued to play video games. If I was to overreact I would say that the fucking mainstream community is killing the gaming industry!!
 
AND I SUCK AT FPS GAMES ON CONSOLES! WHAT THE HELL AM I TO DO?!?!

Why would anyone buy it on PC now? Since you're getting the exact same experience of a happily-fleeced console user why would you opt to play it on PC?
 
Dedicated servers and the community that brings with it are the primary benefits of playing on PC that outweigh the hardware costs/tech issues. So how do Infinity Ward expect someone to opt for a PC version which has none of the major benefits and all of the negatives?
 
Essentially this is the same as the Dragon Rising mess. A console port shoved onto PC with little to no thought. I won't be surprised at all when they announce the PC "version" has aim-assist.
 
IWnet is counter-productive and a waste of money.

Why would anyone buy it on PC now? Since you're getting the exact same experience of a happily-fleeced console user why would you opt to play it on PC?

So how do Infinity Ward expect someone to opt for a PC version which has none of the major benefits and all of the negatives?

This is probly their way of getting you to buy the console versions instead.

" @Zatoichi_Sanjuro:   Then don't buy it. Personally I am no longer buying it on the first day, I will wait until it is around $30-25 to have grenades thrown at me for 6 hours. "

@Diamond   If you look at Dragon Rising, as a recent example, you'll see the graphics options aren't there. It's a console port.

Keyboard and mouse is also negated by this design choice. There's no lean in DR because it wouldn't fit on a controller and most of the commands and menu's are ineptly carried over from a console design. You're essentially better off playing it with a controller.  Yet Codemasters still claim they separately developed for the PC version... which I'm sure IW will also do.

Can't believe they did this. No Mod tools is flat out fucking ridiculous, not to mention No Dedi servers. What a mess.

pirate for sp

"Even if they don't have features like lean there's still going to be a lot of people that prefer mouse+KB."

" @Metal_Mills said:

" Actually, people think, and it could be very true, that they are doing it to get a firm grip on the DLC for PC. Remember Jeff asking "I wonder how they'll be able to charge for DLC in MW2?"

This. They are trying to make PC players pay for map packs. What I don't understand is why all you are so surprised. This is so obviously an console game first that happens to be ported to the PC. "

" @Zatoichi_Sanjuro:   Then don't buy it. Personally I am no longer buying it on the first day, I will wait until it is around $30-25 to have grenades thrown at me for 6 hours. "

"Yo, Infinity Ward, I'm really happy for you, and I'm going to let you finish, but Ion Storm had one of the worst pc-ports of all time! "

"Why would anyone buy it on PC now? Since you're getting the exact same experience of a happily-fleeced console user why would you opt to play it on PC?  Dedicated servers and the community that brings with it are the primary benefits of playing on PC that outweigh the hardware costs/tech issues. So how do Infinity Ward expect someone to opt for a PC version which has none of the major benefits and all of the negatives?  Essentially this is the same as the Dragon Rising mess. A console port shoved onto PC with little to no thought. I won't be surprised at all when they announce the PC "version" has aim-assist.  IWnet is counter-productive and a waste of money. "

They don't want you to buy it on PC, thats all there is to it, but im not getting an xbox just for this game lol "

" @Diamond said:

"Even if they don't have features like lean there's still going to be a lot of people that prefer mouse+KB."

What game lacks that feature when played with mouse+kb? All my games with lean work fine. "