http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/13/ninja-gaiden-3-razors-edge-review

Just watched the video review and wow... I'm excited. They actually FIXED everything. Granted it seems at the cost of some visual fidelity BUT the important thing is no frame rate complaints , the weapon upgrade system returns as well as ALL of Ryu's arsenal along with a Mission Mode and Ayane stages. The added gore and removal of the Steel & Bone mechanic is a nice change too. This looks to be the Ninja Gaiden 3 we SHOULD have had the first time. Shame its only on WiiU I'd really like if they released a discounted re-release on the other consoles.

(edit: could a mod attach this to the Razor's Edge forum I meant to do that but forgot. Thanks!)

Wow, now it's a mediocre game instead of a bad one. Great!

Do the levels still consist of boring fights against waves of enemies?

General discussion is average I guess, by IGN standards

I have a feeling this version will end up on 360/PS3 at some point. Look at how many times Tecmo re-released NG1.

GamesRadar and Destructoid have been less favourable. I've never really played Ninja Gaiden before so I actually had fun with the Ninja Gaiden 3 demo on PS3, a friend of mine convinced me to grab Sigma so I'll hopefully get a better point of comparison. Depending on how I feel about the games/genre afterwards I might get Sigma 2 and then eventually Razors Edge so I can really see what all the hate is about.

Didn't realise General Discussion was worthy of so many reviews.

While I usually take Jim Sterling's reviews with a grain of salt, the fact that his review reads like a list of my doubts made solid about this version makes me inclined to not bother until it's cheap.

@Ducksworth: Definitely recommend Sigma, the series peaked with the first game and that edition does have extra content.

Apparently Ryan McCaffrey is beyond thrilled to be able to love Ninja Gaiden again. This release makes the Wii U 2 a must buy, with Ninja Gaiden 4: Ryu Scared Stupid, its most anticipated title.

@CptBedlam: 7.6 isn't mediocre thats still foot firmly in the "good" realm of things.

@Demoskinos: It's an IGN score.

@CptBedlam said:

@Demoskinos: It's an IGN score.

What do IGN scores even mean anymore? (Not that they ever meant anything, but work with me here.) I thought the whole point was that they abandoned their stupid granular scale only to go back to it?

A 7,6 from IGN is like a 3,4 from an actual magazine. Still good on them for at least trying to fix it.

Ryu no longer does such wantonly violent things like walk up to a helpless soldier that’s begging for his life and slashes him in half.

See, I like that

Only problem is it's still Ninja Gaiden 3. Unless they've completely changed basic things in the game, it's still terrible.

The only thing I was really interested in is what the reviewer had to say about the graphrics in the game and apparently he stated that, arguably, the graphics are worse then the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions. That's not a good sign for future ports.

@CptBedlam: That system has worked for Dynasty Warriors all these years.

Why does that review page look like it should be viewed from 15 metres away? Jesus that's a weird ass design.

@AlexW00d said:

Why does that review page look like it should be viewed from 15 metres away? Jesus that's a weird ass design.

It looks like they are trying to rip-off Polygon.

@JasonR86 said:

@AlexW00d said:

Why does that review page look like it should be viewed from 15 metres away? Jesus that's a weird ass design.

It looks like they are trying to rip-off Polygon.

Huh I guess. Shame really, Polygon's design is godawful.

@AlexW00d said:

@JasonR86 said:

@AlexW00d said:

Why does that review page look like it should be viewed from 15 metres away? Jesus that's a weird ass design.

It looks like they are trying to rip-off Polygon.

Huh I guess. Shame really, Polygon's design is godawful.

Yes it is. But the last IGN design wasn't much better so...shit stays shitty I guess.

It seems that they just changed some things around the edges. Still looks like the combat and enemys and story and level design and graphics are all the same. Which is to say the game still looks really bad. Albeit less so than before. Not like the added gore changes anything and I do like that now you get more weapons than the Dragon Sword but with the combat so awful it don't much matter.

The biggest change seems to be that they made it harder which I'm curious how exactly did that. I remember hard on NG3 being a complete mess.

@Ducksworth said:

GamesRadar and Destructoid have been less favourable. I've never really played Ninja Gaiden before so I actually had fun with the Ninja Gaiden 3 demo on PS3, a friend of mine convinced me to grab Sigma so I'll hopefully get a better point of comparison. Depending on how I feel about the games/genre afterwards I might get Sigma 2 and then eventually Razors Edge so I can really see what all the hate is about.

I'd say Black was the best version of Ninja Gaiden. Sigma just looked muddy and had worse camera control. It isnt a bad version (there is no bad version) but it isnt the best. (in my opinion)

Glad to see Team Ninja acknowledge the complete pile of trash that is Ninja Gaiden 3. Even if they didnt fix all the problems this at least bodes well for later iterations of the franchise. I'm still surprised Yosuke Hayashi thought it was a good idea to get rid of everything that made Ninja Gaiden what it was. I'll probably pick this up cheap around the time Bayonetta 2 comes out.

EDIT: I really wish they'd bring back essence though...

@Ducksworth said:

GamesRadar and Destructoid have been less favourable. I've never really played Ninja Gaiden before so I actually had fun with the Ninja Gaiden 3 demo on PS3, a friend of mine convinced me to grab Sigma so I'll hopefully get a better point of comparison. Depending on how I feel about the games/genre afterwards I might get Sigma 2 and then eventually Razors Edge so I can really see what all the hate is about.

I'd say Black was the best version of Ninja Gaiden. Sigma just looked muddy and had worse camera control. It isnt a bad version (there is no bad version) but it isnt the best. (in my opinion)

Glad to see Team Ninja acknowledge the complete pile of trash that is Ninja Gaiden 3. Even if they didnt fix all the problems this at least bodes well for later iterations of the franchise. I'm still surprised Yosuke Hayashi thought it was a good idea to get rid of everything that made Ninja Gaiden what it was. I'll probably pick this up cheap around the time Bayonetta 2 comes out.

EDIT: I really wish they'd bring back essence though...

I won't buy anything lower then 7.7 this is unacceptable!!!

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

It seems that they just changed some things around the edges. Still looks like the combat and enemys and story and level design and graphics are all the same. Which is to say the game still looks really bad. Albeit less so than before. Not like the added gore changes anything and I do like that now you get more weapons than the Dragon Sword but with the combat so awful it don't much matter.

The biggest change seems to be that they made it harder which I'm curious how exactly did that. I remember hard on NG3 being a complete mess.

what he said. of course, i haven't played it for myself so i can't really say anything concrete, but this is what it looks like. could be wrong for all i know, but it looks like they haven't fixed enough of what made NG3 so bad to make it a competent action game, especially one that would be up there with Itagaki's NG games.

oh, and hard mode was an absolute travesty in NG3. it was one of the worst things that i have played this year.

@blueduck: I liked Other M. But the reasons people have for hating that game had nothing to do with Yosuke. I agree that the Sigma's werent as good as their predecessors though.

Also Why-TF does Razor's Edge look worse? I thought the Wii-U was meant to be more powerful than the 360/PS3?

So they fixed a broken game so it can be appreciated for what it really is: a bad one.

@blueduck: I liked Other M. But the reasons people have for hating that game had nothing to do with Yosuke. I agree that the Sigma's werent as good as their predecessors though.

Also Why-TF does Razor's Edge look worse? I thought the Wii-U was meant to be more powerful than the 360/PS3?

@Hailinel: They cited bad jaggies but honestly with as fast as the action (hopefully) moves I don't think you'd really have much time to start over analyzing shit. Hoping for a 360 port but if not I'll pick it up whenever I get a WiiU (a.k.a when Bayonetta 2 drops)

@Hailinel: Sure but you'd think with the added power of the Wii-U they wouldnt have to make those concessions.

@BoOzak said:

I'd say Black was the best version of Ninja Gaiden. Sigma just looked muddy and had worse camera control. It isnt a bad version (there is no bad version) but it isnt the best. (in my opinion)

Glad to see Team Ninja acknowledge the complete pile of trash that is Ninja Gaiden 3. Even if they didnt fix all the problems this at least bodes well for later iterations of the franchise. I'm still surprised Yosuke Hayashi thought it was a good idea to get rid of everything that made Ninja Gaiden what it was. I'll probably pick this up cheap around the time Bayonetta 2 comes out.

EDIT: I really wish they'd bring back essence though...

I've heard that Black is the one to play but unfortunately I don't own an Xbox and am not planning on getting it anytime soon so Sigma is really my only option. I was also considering the Devil May Cry HD collection so I can see what the rage around DmC is but based on reviews I'm not sure if the games aged poorly or not.

Wow, now it's a mediocre game instead of a bad one. Great!

Do the levels still consist of boring fights against waves of enemies?

@Demoskinos said:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/13/ninja-gaiden-3-razors-edge-review

no frame rate complaints ,

– Muddy visuals, jaggies, occasional framerate stutters

what

Also, it does seem to fix a lot of problems, except for the fact that the core combat is bad, unresponsive and terribly repetitive.

9.8/10.

@BoOzak said:

@Hailinel: Sure but you'd think with the added power of the Wii-U they wouldnt have to make those concessions.

They were still likely working within the limitations of the code originally written for the PS3/Xbox 360. I have no idea what sort of coding/technical limitations they were running into beyond that. It doesn't really matter to me thoug because the game still looks great. I'm not the sort that flies into a hissy fit if a new game I'm playing doesn't have ZOMG 1337 gr4fix!!!!1

@Jack268 said:

@CptBedlam said:

Wow, now it's a mediocre game instead of a bad one. Great!

Do the levels still consist of boring fights against waves of enemies?

7.6 is mediocre nowadays fuck

@CptBedlam said:

@Demoskinos: It's an IGN score.

Well as a fan of previous NG's, I liked NG3, especially the trials, and still play it with QTE indicators off etc. The difficulty was essentially broken, where hard / master ninja just meant you'd get more waves of enemies which hit harder, instead of increased patterns or combos, and fps suffered greatly on anything above normal. But it reeaaally wasn't a mash to win game beyond day 4, especially for any newcomers.

Anyway will be looking out for this one when I get my Wii U in the coming months. I'm really curious about SOB being a grab counter.

I played the game originally and while it's certainly not that good, I kind of had fun with it. Needless to say, all the fun disappeared in the last few missions because the game dragged on like crazy. It just kept throwing the same things over and over.

So did anyone pick this version up? I never played the original game and could see myself picking it up