Why are companies like id and Crytek still making PC exclusives? You would think through all of their bitching (excuse my french) they would finally drop support for PC exclusives. Crytek is making Crysis: warhead right after they got finished telling everyone that piracy is the downfall for PC games. The id releasing Rage after making a press release that they wont make any PC exclusives anymore... Sounds a little contradictive.

Crytek said they are in the transition from PC to Consoles.

Crytek also said that Warhead will be a big factor in them making console ports or not, so lets all hope Warhead does very well so we can keep the Crytek games on PC.
But they still make them because that's what they know and it still pays the bills, they just know they could be paying a lot more bills if people were not pirating the games.

"Why are companies like id and Crytek still making PC exclusives? You would think through all of their bitching (excuse my french) they would finally drop support for PC exclusives. Crytek is making Crysis: warhead right after they got finished telling everyone that piracy is the downfall for PC games. The id releasing Rage after making a press release that they wont make any PC exclusives anymore... Sounds a little contradictive.
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"Why are companies like id and Crytek still making PC exclusives? You would think through all of their bitching (excuse my french) they would finally drop support for PC exclusives. Crytek is making Crysis: warhead right after they got finished telling everyone that piracy is the downfall for PC games. The id releasing Rage after making a press release that they wont make any PC exclusives anymore... Sounds a little contradictive.
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Damn consoles ruining ma video games!

Look what they did to Rainbow 6! Just look!
*cries*

People still want to develop for PC, they just want to be paid and respected for their hard work.  There are many developers out there who just want to help the PC market but people are not making it easy for them with all of the piracy going around.  Even Infinity Ward was saying that they are thinking of only working for consoles.  It's a trend which will last for awhile and could begin a whole new DRM debate for the " greater good. "

Thing is, PC games don't sell massive amounts in short bursts like console games. A console game might sell 1 mil in a week. PC games sell over time. Not all gamers can play all the games straight away so they wait until they upgrade and then get it. But lots of developers expect PC games to sell as much as console games straight away and if they don't then they cry out: "OMG TEH PIRACY! PC GAMING IS DEAD! CONSOLES FTW!" and then cease all support for the PC.

While console games do sell more than PC games, most of them don't have as much longevity as PC games. People play them through once then some multiplayer and in 6 months it's totally forgotten. On the PC you have 10 year old games like Starcraft that are still played widely. All this sales, marketing and hype bullshit has mad developers forget that console market and the PC market is very different.

If every PC developer used a platform like Steam, im sure it would lower the piracy figures alot. Sure people still get around it, but its more of a hassle. Valve seem to be doing great.

"Thing is, PC games don't sell massive amounts in short bursts like console games. A console game might sell 1 mil in a week. PC games sell over time. Not all gamers can play all the games straight away so they wait until they upgrade and then get it. But lots of developers expect PC games to sell as much as console games straight away and if they don't then they cry out: "OMG TEH PIRACY! PC GAMING IS DEAD! CONSOLES FTW!" and then cease all support for the PC.

While console games do sell more than PC games, most of them don't have as much longevity as PC games. People play them through once then some multiplayer and in 6 months it's totally forgotten. On the PC you have 10 year old games like Starcraft that are still played widely. All this sales, marketing and hype bullshit has mad developers forget that console market and the PC market is very different.
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"If every PC developer used a platform like Steam, im sure it would lower the piracy figures alot. Sure people still get around it, but its more of a hassle. Valve seem to be doing great.
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"Why are companies like id and Crytek still making PC exclusives? You would think through all of their bitching (excuse my french) they would finally drop support for PC exclusives. Crytek is making Crysis: warhead right after they got finished telling everyone that piracy is the downfall for PC games. The id releasing Rage after making a press release that they wont make any PC exclusives anymore... Sounds a little contradictive.
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Because the reason Crysis was so acclaimed was because of its incredible graphics. The graphics won't play on a console so they have to use a PC

"Thing is, PC games don't sell massive amounts in short bursts like console games. A console game might sell 1 mil in a week. PC games sell over time. Not all gamers can play all the games straight away so they wait until they upgrade and then get it. But lots of developers expect PC games to sell as much as console games straight away and if they don't then they cry out: "OMG TEH PIRACY! PC GAMING IS DEAD! CONSOLES FTW!" and then cease all support for the PC.

While console games do sell more than PC games, most of them don't have as much longevity as PC games. People play them through once then some multiplayer and in 6 months it's totally forgotten. On the PC you have 10 year old games like Starcraft that are still played widely. All this sales, marketing and hype bullshit has mad developers forget that console market and the PC market is very different.
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It just doesn't make any sense to me that they would bitch and complain about piracy and how PC gaming is dieing yet still make PC exclusives.. If they truely feel like they are losing so much money over it (which they arn't) than why keep making games exclusivly?

PC Gaming is endangered, but its not anywhere near extinct.

Piracy is a problem, but frankly, its an unsolvable problem, so DRM isn't going to do anything besides piss off the end-user.

"PC Gaming is endangered, but its not anywhere near extinct.

Piracy is a problem, but frankly, its an unsolvable problem, so DRM isn't going to do anything besides piss off the end-user.
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For some reason I remember reading something not sure how true it is though.
PC gaming isn't dieing, it was actually getting stronger just the fact that so many games were being made for consoles overshadowed that.

"Thing is, PC games don't sell massive amounts in short bursts like console games. A console game might sell 1 mil in a week. PC games sell over time. Not all gamers can play all the games straight away so they wait until they upgrade and then get it. But lots of developers expect PC games to sell as much as console games straight away and if they don't then they cry out: "OMG TEH PIRACY! PC GAMING IS DEAD! CONSOLES FTW!" and then cease all support for the PC.

While console games do sell more than PC games, most of them don't have as much longevity as PC games. People play them through once then some multiplayer and in 6 months it's totally forgotten. On the PC you have 10 year old games like Starcraft that are still played widely. All this sales, marketing and hype bullshit has mad developers forget that console market and the PC market is very different.
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"xruntime said:

"PC Gaming is endangered, but its not anywhere near extinct.

Piracy is a problem, but frankly, its an unsolvable problem, so DRM isn't going to do anything besides piss off the end-user.
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It's still pretty big thanks to the port of the 360 games."

You make it sound like theres no piracy on consoles.

The PS3 is the only console on the market just now which hasn't been cracked by the hackers.  The wii, 360, ds, ps2 & psp are all cracked.  Piracy isn't just a PC problem.

"You make it sound like theres no piracy on consoles.

The PS3 is the only console on the market just now which hasn't been cracked by the hackers.  The wii, 360, ds, ps2 & psp are all cracked.  Piracy isn't just a PC problem."

"It just doesn't make any sense to me that they would bitch and complain about piracy and how PC gaming is dieing yet still make PC exclusives.. If they truely feel like they are losing so much money over it (which they arn't) than why keep making games exclusivly?
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"Gunner said:


The fact of the matter is, you can't have big budget FPS games be PC-exclusive anymore.  While sales are still good in Europe, PC game sales have dried up in North America when you don't count WOW or The Sims.  Just a few years ago, PC-centric shooters like FEAR, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, etc. had no trouble selling millions in America alone.  Now COD4 on the PC is considered a huge success even though it never passed 500k on the PC. 

"Gunner said:

"It just doesn't make any sense to me that they would bitch and complain about piracy and how PC gaming is dieing yet still make PC exclusives.. If they truely feel like they are losing so much money over it (which they arn't) than why keep making games exclusivly?
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Rage isn't a PC exclusive.  In fact, iD has come out and said that they will build all future games for consoles first, just as Epic, another former.PC exclusive developer said. 

Also, Crysis Warhead was in development long before Crytek made that announcement, obviously.  I have a feeling we might also get another Crysis standalone expansion through the view of Prophet in the near future as well.

The only thing that has me worried is Crytek still claims they don't plan on bringing Crysis to consoles, and yet they also say they aren't doing PC exclusives anymore, so it's possible we'll be left with the cliffhanger at the end of the first one forever.

The fact of the matter is, you can't have big budget FPS games be PC-exclusive anymore.  While sales are still good in Europe, PC game sales have dried up in North America when you don't count WOW or The Sims.  Just a few years ago, PC-centric shooters like FEAR, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, etc. had no trouble selling millions in America alone.  Now COD4 on the PC is considered a huge success even though it never passed 500k on the PC. 

While it does depress me that big budget PC action games are going away, I'll be happy as long as decent PC ports get made so I can play future Crytek games on the platform I prefer FPS titles on."

"id still hasnt said whether or not they will port rage to consoles, they just said future games.

warhead went into development after crysis warhead by a different studio, which was bought witht the sales from crysis.
The argument isnt whether or not they can make PC exclusives anymore, the argument is why they still do after talking a bunch of bs.

I think it's sad if PC gaming dies. No matter if it is just the suits who are paranoid or if piracy really is killing the PC i will cry my heart out if this happens. I buy all my games. I like to hold a new game in my hand and build my own computers. Haven't had a console since the first Playstation and i don't think i need one either. Long live the PC! "We are the champions my friend..."

Cause they want to

"Damn consoles ruining ma video games!

Look what they did to ALMOST EVERY PC EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE EVER MADE! Just look!
*cries*"

"Why are companies like id and Crytek still making PC exclusives? You would think through all of their bitching (excuse my french) they would finally drop support for PC exclusives. Crytek is making Crysis: warhead right after they got finished telling everyone that piracy is the downfall for PC games. The id releasing Rage after making a press release that they wont make any PC exclusives anymore... Sounds a little contradictive.
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Crytek can take their tech demos to consoles for all I care. Crysis was horrible as a game. PC gaming isn't going anywhere, folks. Developers are simply going where the money is, but developers who know what they're doing (Valve, Blizzard, Activision, Relic) will always have something worthwhile out on PCs.

Think a lot of people are focusing too much on the PC piracy stuff.... just for the record, there is just as much piracy going on with xbox 360 games and PS3 games as there is with pc's, do a search for stuff and you'll be quietly supprised just how much console stuff is and can be ripped,  but PC always takes the front end of this kind of thing.

"Why are companies like id and Crytek still making PC exclusives? You would think through all of their bitching (excuse my french) they would finally drop support for PC exclusives. Crytek is making Crysis: warhead right after they got finished telling everyone that piracy is the downfall for PC games. The id releasing Rage after making a press release that they wont make any PC exclusives anymore... Sounds a little contradictive.
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After warhead crtytek is no longer making pc exclusives

i think after warhead crytek will still make PC games, probably wont be PC exclusives mind you, but those are rare unless theres a developer out there that's making a game that can really only ever be played on a PC, namely, MMOs. Look how well the original far cry did? the game that made them who they are today.... there was plenty of sales and they will get plenty of sales for warhead aswell so long as you dont need a 3k computer to make it run how it should, which was the problem... Even now with gamers in sli mode can still stuggle with crysis and unless you have next to the best graphics cards around, you cannot play it at 60FPS at the big resolutions.... Warhead they completely optimized this, and thus will not be such an issue, where it'll stop sales, you'll actually most likely going to see more sales with warhead then crysis ever did i bet....

"Think a lot of people are focusing too much on the PC piracy stuff.... just for the record, there is just as much piracy going on with xbox 360 games and PS3 games as there is with pc's, do a search for stuff and you'll be quietly surprised just how much console stuff is and can be ripped,  but PC always takes the front end of this kind of thing.
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"VACkillers said:

"Think a lot of people are focusing too much on the PC piracy stuff.... just for the record, there is just as much piracy going on with xbox 360 games and PS3 games as there is with pc's, do a search for stuff and you'll be quietly surprised just how much console stuff is and can be ripped,  but PC always takes the front end of this kind of thing.
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  ActuallyI don't think you can pirate ps3 games yet.
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"unclejohnny79 said:

"VACkillers said:

"Think a lot of people are focusing too much on the PC piracy stuff.... just for the record, there is just as much piracy going on with xbox 360 games and PS3 games as there is with pc's, do a search for stuff and you'll be quietly surprised just how much console stuff is and can be ripped,  but PC always takes the front end of this kind of thing.
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  ActuallyI don't think you can pirate ps3 games yet.
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yet... I hope it will never be possible to pirate ps3 games, but its only a matter of time.
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"100 said:

"unclejohnny79 said:

"VACkillers said:

"Think a lot of people are focusing too much on the PC piracy stuff.... just for the record, there is just as much piracy going on with xbox 360 games and PS3 games as there is with pc's, do a search for stuff and you'll be quietly surprised just how much console stuff is and can be ripped,  but PC always takes the front end of this kind of thing.
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  ActuallyI don't think you can pirate ps3 games yet.
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yet... I hope it will never be possible to pirate ps3 games, but its only a matter of time.
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I dunno its been a while
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I'm pretty sure Rage is coming to consoles.

"Thing is, PC games don't sell massive amounts in short bursts like console games. A console game might sell 1 mil in a week. PC games sell over time. Not all gamers can play all the games straight away so they wait until they upgrade and then get it. But lots of developers expect PC games to sell as much as console games straight away and if they don't then they cry out: "OMG TEH PIRACY! PC GAMING IS DEAD! CONSOLES FTW!" and then cease all support for the PC.

While console games do sell more than PC games, most of them don't have as much longevity as PC games. People play them through once then some multiplayer and in 6 months it's totally forgotten. On the PC you have 10 year old games like Starcraft that are still played widely. All this sales, marketing and hype bullshit has mad developers forget that console market and the PC market is very different.
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Amen indeed and should be told more to game developers. I think the main issue is when a new PC game is released, is getting a rig that'll run it how it should, so people may actually hold off in buying that game, untill they've upgraded and then go out and buy the games they previously couldn't run before, i think that plays a big part in the amount of sales per week / over a period of time.

As TewDee rightly said, Amen!

Well PC is easier to develope games on and like someone else said, the longtivity is great.

I read an interview with CliffyB in EDGE magazine that said Epic would always support the PC platform, I can't imagine Valve doing so in a hurry either, lest we forget half-life 2 episode 3 will almost certainly be a PC exclusive for quite some time once it comes out.

I never understood how they can always claim the games they made is not doing so well in sales because of piracy..

• do they go around people houses and ask if they are running a illegal copy of crysis?

• do they hold a survey?
• are they posting it on torrents and websites themselves and seeing how many hits it get?

"If every PC developer used a platform like Steam, im sure it would lower the piracy figures alot. Sure people still get around it, but its more of a hassle. Valve seem to be doing great.
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Piracy is a problem on all gaming platforms not just the PC.  The minute we start getting all console ports is the day I stop buying games.

Piracy is also on Xbox 360, imo its much easier because no cracks etc, u just get it modded.
PC Gaming FTW

i have a solution...why don't they all authenticate their games through STEAM....there we go...most of problem solved....

There's still ways to circumvent steam implementation. All of valve's titles have been pirated. I think 2k games had the most secure method with Bioshock, but at the same time it was punishing to those who actually purchased the game.