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    #1  Edited By MistaSparkle

    As this console generation ends, I think its about time I make a change in my life. No more Xbox and Playstation for me. Nope. PC games here I come!

    I've decided that I don't want to be shackled to all the crazy stuff that these consoles force you into. I don't wanna pay for online play, I want better graphics/performance, and I'm ready to go digital. Oooooooooooooo. Scary stuff, right? Nah, son. It's gonna be awesome. Anyways, I'm building a PC for the first time ever, and I'm not exactly 100% positive I know what I'm doing, but I'm sure that'll only make it more fun.

    Now, I'm not asking for you guys to spec out a PC for me, but what I am asking for is your advice to a few things:

    1. Any tips/warnings on the actual building process would be really nice to hear. I don't want to spend all this time and money and fuck something up. I'm really scared of that.

    2. Any awesome gear recommendations that you found were awesome quality or just a great deal in general would be something I will definitely take into consideration. Currently, I do not have a list of build items because I am still trying to figure out exactly what I need...

    3. Good websites to buy the parts from. Is amazon okay? Where can I get the best deals?

    4. Is it stupid to think that I can build a decent gaming/work computer for around $1000?

    I've watched the video of Will and Jeff building his PC, which helped me get a pretty good understanding of the whole process, but if you've got any good advice or recommendations based on your rig or whatever, I would love to hear it. Thanks for all the help!

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    #2  Edited By TyCobb

    @MistaSparkle said:

    I've decided that I don't want to be shackled to all the crazy stuff that these consoles force you into.

    Consoles don't really force you into much, but I supposed if you buy used games, I could see how online passes could upset you. With PC games you now have to deal with DRM and making sure you are connected to the internet at most times while also getting X number of activations for a game. Now for the most part, I love Steam and most of the stuff sold does not have the insane DRM tied to it like if you were to buy the physical copy, but once in awhile a game will get put on Steam that still has StarForce. I have not tried Origin and so I won't say anything about it.

    To your questions at hand:

    Tips

    • If you can, get an Anti-Static Wrap. I personally have built computers on the carpet wearing socks and have not had any issues, but it will definitely help.
    • Take your time and be gentle. Don't rush. Especially since this is your first.

    Gear Reccommentations

    • I have absolutely love this case. And just a note on it, the HDD cage can't come back out from the inside once the motherboard is in. You need to pull it out from the front once you remove the plates.
    • These headphonesare great and if you don't care about speakers, you can use these instead of buying speakers and a sound card. That's called saving money =)
      Been using them for almost 2 years, as I have the 5.1 model.

    Get your stuff from Newegg as their return policy is excellent and have never had an issue when I needed to RMA something. I have built my last 5 gaming computers from there since 2004 I believe. But you will always want to shop around when you are on a budget. Just make sure you factor in shipping because the item may cost less at one spot, but more in all when shipping is factored in.

    As for your pricing -- not at all. $1000 you can get yourself a pretty good machine, but you may have to skimp on some of the more fancier items like cases and peripherals. You will want to put most of that money inside the rig. Make sure you get a good CPU (I recommend an i7 if you can) a decent motherboard, ignore SSDs and just make sure you get a non-green hard drive. And the most important part when gaming.... the video card! I would recommend a GeForce 570 IF you can afford it. I mean, the card alone is the price of a console =)

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    #3  Edited By crusader8463

    I'm sure you will get a ton of answers to the things you asked for help with, so instead I'm going to give some advice on aspects of PC gaming that I feel no one ever talks about but are really important; the accessories! The biggest thing with PC gaming that no one ever talks about is the chair you are going to be sitting in while you use it. If you are willing to find the money to build a PC from scratch, spend a little more and get a comfortable chair and a desk so that you can sit comfortably at your desk. What you find comfortable will vary on weight/height/body shape so go to a store and just sit in them until you find one that fits your price range and is comfortable.

    As well as the chair, spend a little extra and get a good mouse/keyboard. I use the Saitek Eclipse II back light keyboard and I love it. As for mice, those are like the chair situation above where everyone will have different opinions based on the shape of their hand. The other thing is a good mouse pad. I'm still trying to find a good one myself, so I can't really make a suggestion here.

    As for websites, I find newegg.ca is the best for designing your build because they let you see the specs in an easy way and compare them with other products really easily. You can get a few things on amazon.ca, but there is never really a huge price gap. Amazon is probably the best option for actually buying the items though, assuming they have the parts in stock, because of the free shipping. That said, newegg is an amazing site for comparing specs and getting a general idea of prices for items. So I would suggest using newegg as the place to decide what you want in your PC, then just start googling around for the best price options. It's a time consuming event, but is also an extremely rewarding experience when it's all over and you get to tally up the deals you find on various sites.

    Best of luck, and welcome to the brotherhood.

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    #4  Edited By Enigma777

    Welcome to the biggest mistake of your life.

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    #5  Edited By TwoLines

    @Enigma777 said:

    Welcome to the biggest mistake of your life.

    Either say why, or don't say anything at all.

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    #6  Edited By Enigma777

    @TwoLines said:

    @Enigma777 said:

    Welcome to the biggest mistake of your life.

    Either say why, or don't say anything at all.

    No.

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    #7  Edited By Shivoa

    I wouldn't throw away the consoles, what about your old games and the exclusives? Always worth keeping a console or two around to avoid restrictions on what you can play.

    For $1000 you're set for a new PC that can do admirable graphics at 1080p. You're even more set if you've already got a monitor or play to use an HDTV as your screen (also your amp/home theatre speakers as an audio system). At the moment the graphics cards are in transition. AMD released all their new cards, the price for performance isn't really much better than what they were selling 12 months ago (they just run cooler) and nVidia are on the cusp of releasing the first wave of their new cards (which with either generate a new price war or this generation will be the first one 'post price war' and all the PC gamers will be a bit sad that AMD and nVidia are making more profit rather than giving us killer deals to try and compete with each other). When I say on the cusp (which has been whispered for basically all this year so far), they have some actual new design GPUs out in shops (inside a laptop that launched early) and have briefed the press about the new generation of GPUs and how they're built so we're just waiting for that NDA to expire and then hopefully there will be quite a few models released in short order (the good gaming enthusiast cards are usually the $250 or $350 model, depending on your budget and desire to crank sliders from 'way more fidelity than current consoles' to 'this is what the next gen of consoles might look like'). Waiting a few weeks might result in ending up with a rather nicer GPU than if you buy today, but that really depends if the price war comes back when nVidia throw their hat into the ring for the next gen. Intel have kinda said they're not planning to release their new CPUs (originally planned and announced as April, possibly going to be Summer because they're waiting to sell their stock of old CPUs before the switch - they've been mass producing the new CPU design since September last year but they don't offer a huge boost for gaming so it isn't worth waiting for them - they're a bit like AMD's new stuff, low heat new design but you don't get much extra performance per dollar compared to the current stuff*).

    Make sure to research your purchase well. There are thousands of different versions of what you can buy and very small things can lead to an annoyance later (eg if you want to use an amp with 5.1 optical in then you need a motherboard advertising Dolby Home Theatre support (aka Dolby Digital Live), which means the onboard audio can encode a Dolby Digital 5.1 signal to the optical out, something you need to feed surround game audio to an amp via optical cable. Otherwise your games will be in stereo and only pre-recorded audio like DVDs will be 5.1). Luckily there are millions of sites that give details of how to do everything and what to look out for when purchasing and generally everything is built to be idiot proof. Seriously, to stop you putting the wrong RAM into a motherboard (even if you buy stuff not designed to work together by not reading the specs), they have a notch in them that's at a different point for each type so they physically won't fit in the slot if you buy the wrong stuff. Assembling a PC is full of stuff like that where they make it very hard to get wrong.

    * Except if you're buying a laptop, the integrated GPU is a lot nicer and laptops are all about power efficiency vs how big the battery you have to carry inside it is so power savings are more critical.

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    #8  Edited By Subjugation

    @MistaSparkle said:

    1. Any tips/warnings on the actual building process would be really nice to hear. I don't want to spend all this time and money and fuck something up. I'm really scared of that.

    2. Any awesome gear recommendations that you found were awesome quality or just a great deal in general would be something I will definitely take into consideration. Currently, I do not have a list of build items because I am still trying to figure out exactly what I need...

    3. Good websites to buy the parts from. Is amazon okay? Where can I get the best deals?

    4. Is it stupid to think that I can build a decent gaming/work computer for around $1000?

    I've watched the video of Will and Jeff building his PC, which helped me get a pretty good understanding of the whole process, but if you've got any good advice or recommendations based on your rig or whatever, I would love to hear it. Thanks for all the help!

    1. Always make sure you are grounded before messing with parts. The easiest way to do this is to touch the unpainted metal finish inside of the case to dissipate any ESD (Electrostatic Discharge) that may occur. Take your time. If something isn't fitting nicely, don't force it.

    2. Whatever you end up getting, make sure you realize it is an investment. It is worth spending a little more now to ensure you have a higher performance ceiling rather than save 10 bucks here and there that will end up necessitating earlier upgrades in the future. Don't skimp on PSU quality. If that things freaks out it can take your whole PC with it.

    3. Amazon has some good deals. Newegg is pretty great all around. It has to be my retailer of choice.

    4. $1000 will net you a solid build. You'll be able to build a machine that will perform very well at 1080p.

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    #9  Edited By SeriouslyNow
    @Enigma777 said:

    @TwoLines said:

    @Enigma777 said:

    Welcome to the biggest mistake of your life.

    Either say why, or don't say anything at all.

    No.

    Show the nice people where the computer tried to touch you.
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    #10  Edited By Raven10

    1. I don't have very much experience with building but I will echo others and say that you shouldn't force it. Be gentle. Computer parts are fragile. Better to take your time with it than break an expensive part.

    2. I would recommend an Nvidia graphics card simply because there are more games built with Nvidia in mind and also because a fair number of games use Nvidia specific features like PhysX which may not make the game play much better but will certainly make it look really cool. As for the exact card, I will again echo a previous statement that Nvidia is due to come out with a new lineup before summer so if you can wait a couple weeks to a month or two then I would do so and buy a last gen card from someone clearing their inventory. I have a Geforce 560 ti and it performs pretty well at 1080p. I specifically got an EVGA one with 2 GB of RAM instead of the standard 1 GB and I believe the card cost somewhere between $200 and $250. For a bit more you can get a Geforce 570 which will let you run most games at medium/high settings in 1080p at 60 fps. As for CPU, I'd say any Core i7 should do. I have a first gen Core i7 running at 2.6 GHz and I am rarely bottle necked by the CPU. Any current gen model should be good for three or four years. I'd also get 6 GB of RAM at the very least and 8 would put you in a good position for three or four years. That said, it is easy to put more RAM in down the line so starting with 6 and then buying more when you need it isn't a big deal. For a hard drive I'd say ignore Solid State and go for something around 1 TB. Games are getting big. Rage was something like 25 GB and next gen games will probably be at least that big on average so if you combine that with movies, other programs, music, and so forth a terabyte should do you well. And of all the parts in your computer the HDD can be the most pain to replace since you have to copy all your files which means you'd need an external drive probably. My HDD died last year and I lost all my game saves. Pretty devastating. So don't skimp on the HDD. Get something reliable and always back up on a regular basis. Finally, make sure your motherboard is compatible with all the parts you choose and that you get a large enough power supply to run everything. Again echoing another comment, if your power supply messes up you can fry every part in your computer, so choose something with enough juice and that is built well and has decent safety features.

    3. I would say to check Newegg before you buy anything. They have good prices and make it easy to compare parts. Plus the consumer reviews there are usually a lot more informative and accurate than Amazon reviews. In the end though, Amazon has free shipping on a lot of parts which often makes it worthwhile to buy the part there after checking out Newegg.

    4. It depends what you mean by good. You should be able to run most games at medium/high settings in 1080p at playable framerates. But don't expect to play Battlefield 3 on high or Crysis 2 in DX11 mode. No matter what you should get a noticeable boost in both performance and graphics quality for $1000 compared to a current gen console. Most console games run on the "low" PC settings and in 720p at max. So just by going to medium and running in 1080p you should get a fair boost in quality and almost any game will run better than the console version at these settings on something like a 560 ti. So to make it short, you will see a boost in performance and quality over the console version, but don't expect to run the highest end games at max settings.

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    #11  Edited By PatchRowcester

    You have been given some fantastic advice here by the fine folks. All I am going to say is, you will thoroughly enjoy FPS games if you approach them with an open mind. Playing with KB/Mouse is SO much more awesome than with the controller. Just be a little patient, and you are going to have a hell of good time.

    Also, there are Steam and Amazon. You pick up games dirt cheap.

    Cons: You might have to deal with the occasional bad DRM from companies like EA, UbiSoft and sad to say, Blizzard.

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    #12  Edited By Kidavenger

    Seeing how it's your first build, read the instructions on how to insert the cpu properly, it's very easy, but it's probably one of the only things you can screw up and cause irreparable damage.

    Intel makes better CPUs than AMD, but they are priced accordingly, if you want to keep to your budget, AMD are worth looking at.

    For video card there isn't much difference between AMD and Nvidia, find a card that suits your budget and then look it up on sites like toms hardware to check out FPS tests to make sure that it will meet your needs.

    Post your build here for feedback before you buy anything to make sure everything you are planning on is compatible and that there are no obvious bottlenecks.

    If you need to buy windows, monitor, keyboard, mouse, $1000 is going to be pretty tight, if not you could build a fairly decent machine.

    Newegg and NCIX are the two sites I go to, NCIX I find has better sales, but their website is terrible at sorting/searching.

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    #13  Edited By AhmadMetallic
    @SeriouslyNow said:
    @Enigma777 said:

    @TwoLines said:

    @Enigma777 said:

    Welcome to the biggest mistake of your life.

    Either say why, or don't say anything at all.

    No.

    Show the nice people where the computer tried to touch you.
    tried?
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    #14  Edited By MistaSparkle

    @TyCobb: Thanks for the tips and recommendations! While I don't think I will be spending that much money on a case, the headphones idea is something I hadn't really even considered. I will definitely invest some money in them when I get the chance.

    @crusader8463: I appreciate the warm welcome, and of course your advice towards making my experience more comfortable. I have an old, but incredibly comfy chair I'm hoping to be able to use, but it may be time to think about getting a new one...

    @Shivoa: Thanks for letting me know all that info on the latest GPUs and video cards. I just may wait a week or two and see what happens to prices...

    @Subjugation: Thanks for replying! I will try and get the best quality parts I can, but with my lack of knowledge the parts I think are great might be total shit, so maybe I will post my shopping list on here and see what everyone thinks.

    @Raven10: Thanks for answering my questions, but I have another specifically to for you. You said you had an EVGA GeForce 560 Ti, which is exactly what I am deciding to get with an i7 2600 with 3.4GHz. What is your Power Supply and would you recommend it? That's sort of the last thing I am stuck on with this project.

    @PatchRowcester: Oh I know, I can't wait to be able to whip the camera around real quick and catch a guy trying to get the jump on me! I've been able to play TF2 on a crappy Dell I've had since 2007, but I can't wait till this new PC is able to play that super smooth and whatever other games I put on it as well.

    @Kidavenger: I'm pretty sure I can snag a copy of Windows 7 from someone in my family (they've got dozens of extra copies just in case) so that should be a nice $100 less. Mouse and keyboard I'm not planning on splurging for yet, but the monitor is a bit of an issue. I just might have a nice one I can switch out from my parents house though since they hardly ever use their desktop anymore.

    My Current List:

    PartDescriptionPrice
    CPUCore i5 2550K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 Boxed Processor$200
    MotherboardASRock Z68 Extrem3 Gen3 LGA 1155 ATX$121
    MemoryCorsair Vengence 8 GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600$50
    Hard DriveSeagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive$115
    Video CardEVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti$250
    Optical DriveLG GH22NS90B DVD/CD Writer$15
    CaseCooler Master CM690 II Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case$80
    Power SupplyCorsair Enthusiast Series 650W$90

    So what do you guys think?

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    #15  Edited By Wemibelle

    My tip that I tell everyone is to make sure not to screw the motherboard directly onto the case (if assembling yourself). If you don't use the plastic standoffs, you risk frying everything inside with the very real potential of fire.

    Otherwise, the other tips here seem right on. It really isn't too hard nowadays. Just make sure to be patient with it all and you'll have a brand-new computer in no time.

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    #16  Edited By TyCobb

    You can save the $30 and not get the bigger CPU fan. The stock fan that comes with the boxed CPU is more than efficient. You aren't going to be overclocking and you are on a budget. Put the $30 towards an upgraded version of a component in the list or save it for shipping. You are already at $911 + Tax + Shipping and you haven't found a PSU yet.

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    #17  Edited By MistaSparkle

    @TyCobb: So just ditching the cooler entirely is ok because the CPU sort of comes with one built in?

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    #18  Edited By SirPsychoSexy

    Whatever you do get a corsair power supply, I have had several other brands fail me, not once has a corsair failed me.

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    #19  Edited By Kidavenger

    Seconding everything said.

    Where are you getting the CPU from? the price is really good.

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    #20  Edited By TyCobb

    @MistaSparkle: Usually boxed CPUs come with a fan.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%2050001157%20600005573%20600095610&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%201155

    If you go to the boxed CPUs in the list, and head to specs, it will tell you the a heatsink and fan are included.

    Where did you find the i7 for $250? Links in your list would be helpful for letting us know exactly what you plan on getting. Are you sure it is boxed, it may actually be OEM and if that is the case then you will only get a CPU and not a heatsink/fan, but your description does say boxed. That is just a really good price.

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    #21  Edited By Andorski

    @MistaSparkle: Any reason why you're getting an i7? If this rig is going to be used only for gaming, than the i5-2500k is more than enough. Most likely your video card is going to be the "bottleneck" of your system, so save yourself some money and get the i5.

    For more help on building a PC, you can use this guide over at Reddit. I did most of my research from the links on this post and found building my first PC to be a complete breeze.

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    #22  Edited By MistaSparkle

    @Andorski: Oh, really? I was under the impression that video card and processor were what decided the framerate of the games. I thought that the i5 would yield an FPS way less than the i7, so I would have rather spent the extra money to get a nice, consistently high framerate. BUT I am obviously more than ready to go for the cheaper model if it is sufficient. Also I'm glad you referenced /r/pcbuild or whatever that subreddit is. It was really helpful for finding awesome prices and good parts. Great community help over there. It's a lot like Giantbomb!

    : I went to reddit and all the PCs they were making there had their CPU from this place called Microcenter. They have drastically cheaper stuff there but its for pick-up only... here's the link to the one I found: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354588

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    #23  Edited By Andorski

    @MistaSparkle: To my knowledge, no game uses more than two cores, so the i5 quad core processor is more than enough for gaming. The only game-related reason I would see someone spring for an i7 is if they are recording game footage while playing. When it comes to the CPU, fps is more dependent on clock speeds. The best thing for you to do to get the best performance from your CPU is to overclock the processor. Get a good CPU cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo and you should be able to hit 4.3-4.5GHz with relative ease.

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    #24  Edited By TyCobb

    @Andorski said:

    @MistaSparkle: To my knowledge, no game uses more than two cores, so the i5 quad core processor is more than enough for gaming. The only game-related reason I would see someone spring for an i7 is if they are recording game footage while playing. When it comes to the CPU, fps is more dependent on clock speeds. The best thing for you to do to get the best performance from your CPU is to overclock the processor. Get a good CPU cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo and you should be able to hit 4.3-4.5GHz with relative ease.

    This is his first build and under no circumstances should he even attempt this.

    , you found a great CPU at a great price. Go with that. Following Andorski's idea you will end up spending the same amount as the CPU you have already selected, but now get to run the risk of damaging your components. It is not worth it.

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    #25  Edited By MistaSparkle

    @TyCobb: Haha thanks for warning me! I definitely don't want to get in over my head on this project. i7 it is!

    @Andorski: Thanks for the advice, but I want to do this the most straightforward way I can. I'm not really looking to overclock, and the prices are pretty close so I figure I should spend the extra little bit, so it'll last me longer.

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    #26  Edited By Andorski

    @TyCobb said:

    @Andorski said:

    @MistaSparkle: To my knowledge, no game uses more than two cores, so the i5 quad core processor is more than enough for gaming. The only game-related reason I would see someone spring for an i7 is if they are recording game footage while playing. When it comes to the CPU, fps is more dependent on clock speeds. The best thing for you to do to get the best performance from your CPU is to overclock the processor. Get a good CPU cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo and you should be able to hit 4.3-4.5GHz with relative ease.

    This is his first build and under no circumstances should he even attempt this.

    , you found a great CPU at a great price. Go with that. Following Andorski's idea you will end up spending the same amount as the CPU you have already selected, but now get to run the risk of damaging your components. It is not worth it.

    I just did my first build two months ago and OC'ed it right after installing the OS. I found the experience relatively easy, albeit time consuming. The motherboard he is planning to buy is popular among OC enthusiasts, and many people have made guides on how to overclock it. He definitely shouldn't just wing it - but after reading a few guides on what to do (I suggest looking at guides on how to set-up overclocking in off-set mode), he should be okay. Modern processors are built to shut themselves down if receiving too much voltage or gaining too much heat. So long as he doesn't get a faulty chip from a bad batch, the worst thing that is going to happen is a BSoD.

    I don't want to give the impression that OCing is necessary though. The increase in fps won't be that much. Using CINEBENCH to test my system, I gained an increase of 6-7 fps going from stock to 4.4GHz on my i5-2500k. So if you decide to go clock speeds, it's not like you're going to gimp your rig. Personally, I just thought that if I got a CPU that was built to be overclocked, then not overclocking it would be a bit wasteful.

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    #27  Edited By Subjugation

    @MistaSparkle: I don't see the point of going with the i7 for gaming. You won't use all of those cores unless you do things like video editing/encoding as games don't utilize that many threads. The i5-2500k has been considered the defacto best choice for a while and was around $220 when I bought it a few months ago on Newegg, plus it has the option for overclocking should you choose to do so in the future. You don't have to overclock it though, but it is so easy with that processor combined with the motherboard you chose (which I also use) that I'd feel guilty not doing it. I'll let you in on a dirty secret of mine, I totally just copy/pasted the settings from some guy's Youtube overclocking video and it worked like a charm. Now it sits at 4.5Ghz as opposed to the stock 3.3Ghz. As long as you have enough power and a good fan you should be fine. That fan you chose is a popular choice for overclocking so it would suffice.

    Everything else looks great. Memory is good, video card is good, mobo is (imo) great, etc. The only real decision left is do you want to spend the extra $30 on the i7 when the i5 does every bit as well in gaming?

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    @MistaSparkle: Funny story about that. I didn't buy my own power supply when I first got my current computer. When I went to switch over to the 560 ti I spent like two days trying to figure out what power supply I had so I could be certain I had enough juice, but I couldn't figure it out. Didn't say on it for some reason or another. So I checked the power requirements of my old card and found they were greater than my new card and didn't worry about it any further. So unfortunately, I don't have a recommendation for you. Just add up all the power requirements for the different parts and get a power supply at least 100 watts above that and you should be good. And remember that's power requirements at max usage not idle. Your current 650 Watt should almost certainly be enough. Again, though, be careful and just add everything up and you should be good.

    As for how good your system looks, seems great to me. Is the 560 ti you are getting the one with 2 GB or the one with 1 GB? I haven't found too many advantages of having 2 GB so far, but I think it is a good future proof type of thing. Also note that the 560 ti is great for overclocking so give that a go once you get it. I was able to overclock by over 100 MHz. I'll also say that you seem to have gotten a great price on the CPU. If that is a sale price I'd get that before the price goes up. If not you should share where you found it at that price. But looks good to me. You seem to have pretty close to the system I have and I get pretty great performance from it on most games. Outside of DX11 stuff I can usually max out almost everything at 1080p and still run close to 60 fps. So I would say go for it from the looks of it.

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    @MistaSparkle: i5 vs i7 in a nutshell (at least the i7s with 2xxx at the end that fit on the same motherboards as the i5, like the Z68 you selected (they have LGA1155 sockets for the CPU); there are 'real' high end i7s that use LGA2011 sockets and so you have to buy a more expensive motherboard to use and those are actually significantly different but only really show off their performance when doing things other than gaming):

    They're the same, running within spitting distance of the same speed, with the same silicon.

    But the i7 can juggle the threads it is given to remove some inefficiency when dealing with many-threaded code. The i5 has 4 cores and so you can run one thread on each core, the i7 has something called HyperThreading that just means it can juggle two threads on each core. It doesn't have more cores, it just pretends it does for the OS and then takes those extra threads (if any are provided) and sees if it can mush them together in a way that leaves less gaps or time waiting (the reasons for which are kinda beyond the scope of a quick post, that link gives some background). But there is a cost associated with managing those 8 threads of execution onto the 4 cores it can process on. There is a BIOS switch to turn it off because some things (like code that is written to divide itself exactly onto the cores you have) get slower because it adds overhead and doesn't do anything useful. Other times it can be a lot faster. Games (up to this point) have not been in the 'made faster' camp.

    The expensive i7s (LGA2011) have lots of added memory bandwidth to go with their HyperThreading (twice as many potential threads means you may need to loop up more data in the memory to increase throughput, also lots of number crunching pro tools have obscene memory bandwidth requirements - again, not games, they don't really care) but they're off in $250 mobo, $600 CPU land (and you get 6 cores, there is a 'budget' model with 4 cores for $320 but with the added motherboard cost and needing to buy RAM is 4 stick blocks, it doesn't turn out the be cheap).

    So that's why everyone says buy an i5-2500K for gaming, because the more expensive CPUs don't actually make games play better. They're offering features games don't benefit from. Now a solid state HDD (SSD), even just a 60GB model to use with Intel SRT to cache your spinning HDD rather than going the whole hog and dealing with moving files between drives. You'll really notice the added speed of that (one of the things a cache drive works great at is the second time you try to load a big static blob of data - games are all about loading screens and streaming in textures so they are ideally suited).

    Playing games relies a lot on the GPU. Most of the sliders in a game for image quality are going to ramp up the GPU load a lot more than the CPU. That means buying an old, slow CPU will limit your gaming (so don't do that) but to see the really nice eye candy is all about focussing your money on the nicest GPU you can reasonable buy (there is usually a decent case to be made for the $250 models, sometime the $350 options are enough of a step up to be a strong contender even for a cheap build). As game engines transition from DirectX 9 to DX10 and DX11, one of the changes made was to move even more work from the CPU to the GPU. That's been a constant trend, speed stuff up by getting the CPU to push data over in a load screen and then let the GPU do all of the work internally on it as the game runs to save performance and leave the connection bandwidth free for pushing big new textures when needed rather than the CPU constantly telling the GPU every little detail of what to do (why send over the details of all the polygons each time, send them once and then send transformations to move them about on the screen as they animate - much less bandwidth and time wasted). So we're not at a time when the bar is swinging back in the other direction, GPU is king (for gaming) and spending money these is key to getting the best experience you can.

    On your list of potential buys (and using NewEgg as my price source):

    There is nothing wrong with going for a $50 (after rebate) Corsair CX600 V2 (600W) PSU. They're good, they're reliable (trusted) and 600W should be enough for your needs for the time being. If you're spending $80-90 of a PSU then you can buy a 750W model from a decent brand (Cooler Master often seem to have better prices and also decent reputation (I use them) for a good product, although enthusiasts really like whoever Corsair contracts to build their PSUs right now). Just don't buy a YumCha (off-brand) model because they're known to lie on the stickers so you have no idea what their actual output limit is and when PSUs break they can quite easily zap the rest of your computer when they die, which is why no one should go below $50 buying a PSU really.

    You may be able to find a bundle on a case + PSU (again, avoid YumCha PSUs but I know Cooler Master do bundles and you get the same GX650 or GX750 PSU they sell on their own but the bundles are a lot cheaper than buying one of their cases and PSUs separately).

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    #30  Edited By MistaSparkle

    @Subjugation: Thanks for helping me out with deciding on my processor and insuring me about the motherboard. I have never heard of ASRock before, but a bunch of people on reddit were using them so I assumed they had to be good. Just glad someone on here has had a great experience with it and told me about it!

    @Raven10: Ok, thanks a lot. You guys keep telling me how PSU is super important and not to be looked over so I'm absolutely happy with the extra power from the 650W.

    @Shivoa: Wow! So much great info in this post about the processor. With Subjugation and your advice, I'm going to get the i5-2500K after all. I don't really know if I want to overclock, but it'll be nice having the option and knowing I didn't spend extra money on something that ultimately won't benefit me. Thanks so much!

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    @Shivoa said:


    There is nothing wrong with going for a $50 (after rebate) Corsair CX600 V2 (600W) PSU. They're good, they're reliable (trusted) and 600W should be enough for your needs for the time being. If you're spending $80-90 of a PSU then you can buy a 750W model from a decent brand (Cooler Master often seem to have better prices and also decent reputation (I use them) for a good product, although enthusiasts really like whoever Corsair contracts to build their PSUs right now). Just don't buy a YumCha (off-brand) model because they're known to lie on the stickers so you have no idea what their actual output limit is and when PSUs break they can quite easily zap the rest of your computer when they die, which is why no one should go below $50 buying a PSU really.

    You may be able to find a bundle on a case + PSU (again, avoid YumCha PSUs but I know Cooler Master do bundles and you get the same GX650 or GX750 PSU they sell on their own but the bundles are a lot cheaper than buying one of their cases and PSUs separately).

    Corsair is my favorite off the shelf power supply, I'm pretty sure they're just rebadged Seasonics. PC Power and cooling make great stuff, but its impossible to walk into a Fry's and get one.

    I'm really only replying to this post because of the yumcha power supply. It made me chuckle. In Cantonese, it literally translates in to drink tea. When you go to a dim sum place on a Sunday morning, the Chinese folk are going to "yum cha", the term being used for the actual brunch.

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