As heard in this video, at the 17:30 mark:  http://www.giantbomb.com/giant-bomb-at-e3-2010-day-02/17-2783/
 
Sony plans to develop MotorStorm 3 in 1080p, and then lower the resolution down to 720p so it can be played in 3D.  The Mortal Kombat developers have already acknowledged that they're developing the game in 2D 1080p and at 120 frames per second so they can drop that down to 720p at 60 fps for 3D.  In the video, Jeff asks the 775 million dollar question, "are they going to leave the 1080p in 2D in the game?"  So, do you think they will?  
 
Will developers want to admit to people--via a game menu--that 3D = half the frame rate and resolution? 
 
The REALLY evil part about this all is that these games WILL be made in 1080p and WILL be either 60 or 30 frames per second (nobody will program 30 fps native, because that would be 15 fps in 3D). Now, there obviously won't be any "3D ONLY" games for a long long time, as that would be financial suicide. So that leaves us with the FACT that most people are going to be playing these games in 2D, and Sony will intentionally have to cripple their own games if they are to make people think that 3D looks the same as 2D. And even if Sony does that, are they going to try to force all other developers to do the same?

Yet another issue would be multiplayer. If you're playing in 3D (which I would imagine would only hurt your abilities) at 720p and 30 fps, and I'm playing at 1080p and 60fps, I would have a huge advantage, and you'd have a huge reason NOT to play in 3D. Will developers allow that?
 
Finally, this is not really just a Sony issue.  Microsoft isn't really pushing the whole 3D thing like Sony is just yet, but they might in the future, and I don't trust either company.

It should be very interesting to see how this all plays out.  

I had the same fear. I really hope it doesn't turn out like this but I'm afraid it might. I'm not a fan of 3D really so this would make me go for the 360 version of every game I could. I didn't even like avatar in 3D. The movie was too long for a 3D movie so I started to notice eye strain towards the end. And another thing do the TV makers want to kill people's vision? Tricking your eyes and straining them can't be good for your them.

What if we're all just being really cynical and 3D is actually the way of the futu-- Pahahaha, couldn't even type that nonsense with a straight face. I'm sure not many existing console games are native 1080p anyway, so not much will change right? If the actual quality of the game is shafted in favour of 3D support however, well, that's not cool son.

I can never tell the difference between 1080 and 720. 

It's just too soon to make this big push for 3D. They should have waited until 3DTV's are the standard. No one is going to buy a $3000 TV just to play a couple of games, no matter how good it looks. As if that wasn't enough, you'll have to sit there with your stupid glasses on to actually have any use of it. So consider me "screwed".

" I can never tell the difference between 1080 and 720.  "

"I'm sure not many existing console games are native 1080p anyway, so not much will change right? If the actual quality of the game is shafted in favour of 3D support however, well, that's not cool son. "

" I can never tell the difference between 1080 and 720.  "

My worry is that developers will develop assets that they can use for stereoscopic modes, which means very generally half the detail.  It's not quite so bad if they pass the resource 'savings' along and give us 1080p or 60fps games, but if they don't even do that it's outright shit.

None of my 360 games are native 1080p anyway correct? I can't remember correctly, but all those games get upscaled to 1080p if needed. 
 
So couldn't you just do the same with a 720p 3D game?

It'll be very interesting to see.  Personally, I don't know how they're going to make Killzone 3 1080p 60fps in 2D even.  If they DO screw over 2D players, that game's going to perform like crap (480p, 15FPS), and that's going to make the PS3 look bad.  In many cases, Sony may have no choice BUT to leave the 2D stuff running at the best possible performance.

Surely though the 3D does not run at the same time as the 2D, therefore the hit to Frame rate will only occur in 3D mode. Also like everyone else, the difference between 720 and 1080 is only noticeable if you have a massive TV (over 50"), and then run in native 720 without upscaling - otherwise it looks pretty either way. 

720 is still HD you know

" Surely though the 3D does not run at the same time as the 2D, therefore the hit to Frame rate will only occur in 3D mode. Also like everyone else, the difference between 720 and 1080 is only noticeable if you have a massive TV (over 50"), and then run in native 720 without upscaling - otherwise it looks pretty either way.  "

Am I the only one who doesn't care about HD? I'm still rocking an SDTV.

" Am I the only one who doesn't care about HD? I'm still rocking an SDTV. "

1080p should have been a focus a long time ago.  I use a 24"  lcd computer monitor with hdmi so it's easy to spot games being upscaled (they have alot of jaggy edges).

@odintal said:

" I can never tell the difference between 1080 and 720.  "

As said above, you likely can't tell the difference because most games are made in 720 and only support the ability to upscale to 1080p.  Just because it says 1080p on the back of your game box doesn't mean the game is rendering that resolution.  Instead, it's probably only scaling to fit your screen.    A great example is Halo 3 for the 360.  Halo 3 runs in a native resolution of 640p.  It clearly says "720p / 1080i / 1080p" on the back of the Halo 3 box, but the game is really taking the amount of pixels that make up a 640p resolution, and stretching that to fit your screen.  The difference from 640p to 720p isn't that big, but the difference between 720p and 1080p is MUCH larger, and it will be noticeable, especially on larger televisions. "

" My worry is that developers will develop assets that they can use for stereoscopic modes, which means very generally half the detail.  It's not quite so bad if they pass the resource 'savings' along and give us 1080p or 60fps games, but if they don't even do that it's outright shit. "

" @SpaceInsomniac: I'm not even sure how this would be "screwing" people. TVs cannot even handle 120 frames per second. Anything more than 60 is a waste.

" @SpaceInsomniac: I think you're worrying about nothing.
 

" @SpaceInsomniac: The only reason the game would scale down to 720p is for performance in 3D, so I'd imagine that they'd leave it unless you're playing in 3D. Why develop it at 1080p only to drop it down for everyone? Why not then just develop it at 720p? I think you're worrying about nothing. "

" It's just too soon to make this big push for 3D. They should have waited until 3DTV's are the standard. No one is going to buy a $3000 TV just to play a couple of games, no matter how good it looks. As if that wasn't enough, you'll have to sit there with your stupid glasses on to actually have any use of it. So consider me "screwed". "

We could always go back to 480i. Looking forward to the SDTV revolution.

Fuck 3d, it's soo stupid and is going to fail big time.   

" 1080p should have been a focus a long time ago.  I use a 24"  lcd computer monitor with hdmi so it's easy to spot games being upscaled (they have alot of jaggy edges). "

I can't see how anybody can really justify making too many concessions for 3D in the immediate future.  Making a game 3D isn't going to make it shift that many extra copies because nobody has a 3DTV, and the games aren't going to shift 3DTVs because who the fuck is going to be stupid enough to buy a first gen glasses-required 3DTV, when that shit will obviously be redundant tech within a year or 18 months?

" @Marz said:

" 1080p should have been a focus a long time ago.  I use a 24"  lcd computer monitor with hdmi so it's easy to spot games being upscaled (they have alot of jaggy edges). "

Ummm, I read studies that the human eye can't detect the difference between 720p and 1080p on anything smaller than 32". "

Being able to "detect" the difference between 720p and 1080p depends on the quality of your eyesight and how far away you're sitting from the screen.

" I can never tell the difference between 1080 and 720.  "

" @SJSchmidt93 said:

" @Marz said:

" 1080p should have been a focus a long time ago.  I use a 24"  lcd computer monitor with hdmi so it's easy to spot games being upscaled (they have alot of jaggy edges). "

Ummm, I read studies that the human eye can't detect the difference between 720p and 1080p on anything smaller than 32". "

dunno what the fuck you read, but there's a huge difference between 1280x720 and 1980x1080 on a native 1080p monitor "

I'm not too worried about it. 720p looks fine for now. I'm pretty sure all disc-based PS3 games run native 720p. Sure you can force 1080p output, but upscaling just looks ugly compared to the native resolution of the source. If you want true 1080p, go play a PC game on a high end rig at 1920x1080 resolution. As for the 3D, it's not something I'm too excited about, so I could care less what they do to make games run in 3D since I simply do not have the need nor the means to have a 3DTV.

Pfft your over reacting, all I have to say to you is this... <>!

" @guiseppe said:

" It's just too soon to make this big push for 3D. They should have waited until 3DTV's are the standard. No one is going to buy a $3000 TV just to play a couple of games, no matter how good it looks. As if that wasn't enough, you'll have to sit there with your stupid glasses on to actually have any use of it. So consider me "screwed". "

What? If the content isn't there people aren't going to buy 3D TV's. These companies want to get as many 3D movies and games out there as they can so people have reasons to go buy a 3D television. Consumers will not make 3D TV's the standard if there isn't anything out there to utilize the 3D. How many times are you going to watch Monsters v Aliens in 3D? They can't just sit around and wait, people won't adopt 3D if 3D content isn't available to them. Whether you agree with it or not, waiting is not an option.  "

" Pfft your over reacting, all I have to say to you is this... <>! "

I'm sure it'll all be fine. We haven't even seen any of it yet, so stop freakin' ou...who I am kidding..these are forums. Carry on.

I dont really see the problem with different resolutions/frame rates. Its not a massive difference. If "hardcore" players dont like half the framerate n whatnot then they just wont use it. Most of them will probably think its just a "gimmick" anyway.
 
Meanwhile on the PC, im playing at TF2 at 60fps(3D)/120fps(2D) - 1920x1200 against someone at 40fps(2D) - 1024x768 and nobodys complaining about the difference

" @kingchris28 said:

" Surely though the 3D does not run at the same time as the 2D, therefore the hit to Frame rate will only occur in 3D mode. Also like everyone else, the difference between 720 and 1080 is only noticeable if you have a massive TV (over 50"), and then run in native 720 without upscaling - otherwise it looks pretty either way.  "

Well, if you're one of the people who bought a gigantic TV for 1080p only to have it sacrificed to the altar of the 3D gimmick, I imagine you'd be pissed.  And that's what the OP is talking about - whether Sony would DELIBERATELY disable 1080p in a game's 2D so it won't be obvious to the less tuned-in public that 2D is the better option. "

I highly doubt developers are going to sacrifice the 2D version of their game just so 5 people can play it in 3D.
 
I'm just hoping studios don't waste too much man-power on making 3D possible when that talent could instead be used to improve the actual game.

Its too early to focus on 3D quite honestly it is a waste of resources not even video game reviewers will splurge on 3D capable TVs and glasses

they shouldn't be pushing 3D so much. there are some people that are still using SD tvs for playing. i don't' think a lot of people even have 3D tvs because of the price of them.

I wonder how much graphically in these games they are going to have to sacrafice to obtrain the 1080p and 120fps to get their 3d affects?
Its gonna be sad when we see all these games start looking like crap because of Pseudo 3d...

If they give both options its all good.

patience is the key. 3D is in early stages...

" @Marz said:

" @SJSchmidt93 said:

" @Marz said:

" 1080p should have been a focus a long time ago.  I use a 24"  lcd computer monitor with hdmi so it's easy to spot games being upscaled (they have alot of jaggy edges). "

Ummm, I read studies that the human eye can't detect the difference between 720p and 1080p on anything smaller than 32". "

dunno what the fuck you read, but there's a huge difference between 1280x720 and 1980x1080 on a native 1080p monitor "

Well clearly, but on a <32" hdtv 720p and 1080p are virtually identical. "