I love my PS3 and all, adn its great that they made Trophys Mandatory for all games, but dont you think they should make these mandatory as well?
 
 
1. every game needs to be ATLEAST 720p. Multiptalform and otherwise.

2. Every game needs to have AA.

3. Every game needs to have in game music support.

4. Every game needs to have voice chat.

5. every game needs to be able to utilize PSN.

Pretty much everything MS makes devs do before a game hits there console.

Is it because there not in a position to make demands like this because of there marketshare?

Don't worry, because Microsoft force people to do all this stuff, most of the time they just port it over to the PS3 too.

Is this a PS3 bashing thread, or is there a serious discussion to have here? 
 
For the sake of serious discussion: 
 
Sony was still behind on developing the PS3 whenever the 360 launched, and they were really hoping that Blu-ray was going to carry them to the bank early in the game.  Other than that, I would assume they didn't see their online capabilities as a huge portion of their strategy, nor did they even think that this "achievements" thing would be as popular as it became. 
 
However, something you are missing is how the forced inclusion of some of those features can end up resulting in glitches in the games.  =  /

Why should every game be required to utilize PSN?  How would playing a single-player RPG benefit from PSN support, for example?  That seems like a silly requirement.

Sony was hoping that Blu-ray was going to carry them over but in my opinion its hurt them for games. Sure its cool having "great" games like MGS4 on 1 disc, but having to wait 10 mins each chapter for it to install again and again is annoying. Would have been much easier to stick with DVD and swap the discs over PS1 / PS2 / Xbox 360 style. 
Without the Blu-ray the console would have been out a lot lot fast and a hell of a lot cheaper (quicker). 

If that happened I'm sure it would be Sony dictating what goes into their games and what doesnt, instead of Microsoft.  We would see a lot more "multi platform" games looking like Uncharted 2, instead of like the subpar ports we see.

Right now I think they just grab what they can get without rocking the boat. We all seen what happened with their 3rd party exclusive deals falling apart when they stuck their noses in.
But credit to them for catching up. I actually play games regular on my PS3 now instead of using it as a video player only.

Anyone play the recent PSN Fallout Add-Ons? And if so, how many times did they freeze on you? I got the first three of 'em and I stopped playing on my tenth or so save-ruining glitch.
My point is yeah like Raven_Sword said, the port seems to be worlds worse some of the time. And when a game like Uncharted 2 comes out, you really gotta look at these ports and just /facepalm.

" I love my PS3 and all, adn its great that they made Trophys Mandatory for all games, but dont you think they should make these mandatory as well?   1. every game needs to be ATLEAST 720p. Multiptalform and otherwise. 2. Every game needs to have AA. 3. Every game needs to have in game music support. 4. Every game needs to have voice chat. 5. every game needs to be able to utilize PSN. Pretty much everything MS makes devs do before a game hits there console. Is it because there not in a position to make demands like this because of there marketshare? "

"1. every game needs to be ATLEAST 720p. Multiptalform and otherwise. 2. Every game needs to have AA. 3. Every game needs to have in game music support. 4. Every game needs to have voice chat. 5. every game needs to be able to utilize PSN. Pretty much everything MS makes devs do before a game hits there console. Is it because there not in a position to make demands like this because of there marketshare? "

Wait, remind me again what games released on the PS3 that aren't 720p out of the box?   "

" @ZeForgotten: It's probably just me. I have an unnatural love and hatred for Fallout 3. But really? Yours didn't even get a little bit laggy in Operation: Anchorage? "

spazmaster was on the right trail. Nearly all of the "demands" you listed requires more out of the system than it has to give, at least right now. The PS3 handles it's RAM differently than the 360; both systems have 512MB of RAM, but divided out differently, so the PS3's XMB has more limited range of memory to pull from than the 360. Every function that is added to the XMB in game takes away from that certain allotment dedicated to the XMB (I seem to recall 80MB being the figure tossed out at one point). So within that limited amount, Sony has had to rework and streamline lots of functions to give us what they have so far (messaging, trophies, etc; things we never had access to before in-game). The word is EA recently prevented the PS3 from adding cross-game voice chat because in order for Sony to make it happen, they had to borrow some more memory from the game, which would require EA to change how some of their games utilize the memory. That would require EA to spend time and money making patches, and they just don't want to do it. 
 
So, I say be grateful for what you have. The systems are different, and they handle things differently. Sony has been awesome, working hard within the physical constraints of the system to answer their users' demands. I'm quite happy with how far the system has evolved, and I'm looking forward to all the new stuff they can bring.

" @killdave:  did not take 10 minutes. It was 2-3 minutes at best.  "

" @killdave: the MGS 4 chapter install did not take 10 minutes. It was 2-3 minutes at best.  "

" @Mordukai said:

" @killdave:  did not take 10 minutes. It was 2-3 minutes at best.  "

Thats what she said "

" @killdave: the MGS 4 chapter install did not take 10 minutes. It was 2-3 minutes at best.  "

most games aren't in 720p it works more upscaled to 720p, 1080p. 
 
i would not want games to have online just to have online. it would be useless online play, i kind of feel like gta 4 death match was kind of just put into the game for online play.  
 
i'm waiting for sony to patch the system so people can have cross platform chat. if they don't then maybe next generation of games they will put that stuff in there. i do agree ps3 does not cross platform chat.  
 
i just kind of think that sony just made a new system for the bluray. they just wanted to sell it which won the format war.

" @Mordukai said:

" @killdave: the MGS 4 chapter install did not take 10 minutes. It was 2-3 minutes at best.  "

the initial install took 8-10 minutes, each chapter install took 2-4 minutes. Based upon fragmentation of the hard drive it could take 2 minutes or 4, or 8 or 10. "

1. every game needs to be ATLEAST 720p. Multiptalform and otherwise.
For some games, 720p is a strain on the system, and developers have to make concessions in order to achieve other goals (number of characters on screen, locked in fps, etc).  Look at Infinity Ward and the Modern Warfare series.  The game runs at 600p in order to have a constant 60 fps.  Even with this trade-off, the game looks great, moving or otherwise.
 
2. Every game needs to have AA.
Goes along with my last response.  Developers make trade-offs, and if they are great at what they do, these trade offs pay off.
 
3. Every game needs to have in game music support.
Agreed, although though it isn't a big concern of mine.
 
4. Every game needs to have voice chat.
If rumor are true, there will be a patch for in-game chat across different games.
 
5. every game needs to be able to utilize PSN.
Not sure what this means.  utilize PSN how?