People saw this and still thought Sony would allow DRM? It's like the paywall opinions changing but this is literally overnight.
The drm is like what we have currently go take your trolling else where
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People saw this and still thought Sony would allow DRM? It's like the paywall opinions changing but this is literally overnight.
The drm is like what we have currently go take your trolling else where
The major difference is Xbox One's infrastructure (online connectivity every 24 hours AND requirement to install every game), is tailored to institute some form of authentication for each game. It forces the consumer to buy and play games the way Microsoft says they should buy and play games.
Sony's open platform for the PS4 says hey, consumers, you decide how you want to game. If you want to buy a disc-based game and trade it in after you are done, go for it. If you want to download the game to your account, go for it. If you want to avoid DRM games (instituted by the publisher), then don't buy those games, we have plenty of other non-DRM games in our library. It is up to you.
exactly xbox one is built for some form of DRM and the ps4 is not, nothing is stopping a publisher to create some kind of DRM like the Online Pass.The ps4 will act exactly as the ps3 when it comes for disc based games. Besides EA already discontinued the Online Pass and even if it comes back you will probably still be able to play the single player portion of the game just as it was on the ps3 and 360.
So how its been for the past 5 years? Alright, Im cool with that.
This. It'll be things like season passes and what not that he's talking bout. Geez, way to knee jerk internet.
Uhhh, publishers were able to dictate their own DRM on the PS3, too. Tretton clearly pointed out this will not affect 1st party titles, but that publishers can do what they want. Sony doesn't have a server farm somewhere monitoring used games like Microsoft has, it will all be on EA/Activision/Ubisoft/etc.
This is not news.
To put it another way if some don't get it: The requirements for Diablo 3 and Angry Birds are vastly different. Maybe no one should tell Blizzard or Rovio they need to use one and only one DRM scheme because it doesn't make a lot of sense.
The reality is that this "feature" is for developers. It is a system feature that makes it easier for anyone to bring their company's game to the platform instead of forcing into one they didn't choose.
And i'm sure the pricing will match up too, right?
Utter non story this. he Polygon story is written for hits, desperately so.
There is a big difference between providing publishers with specific ways to lock down their content and maintaining the status quo.
MS probably had to implement something because every single game installs on the HD. Sony doesn't install every game, so they didn't need to give publishers new tools.
So online pass again?
I could live with that. Without any draconian system-wide online check to glomm onto, I can't imagine any publisher-specific DRM solution could go much farther than what we've got already. But I'm sure they'll prove me wrong.
@jimmyfenix: Don't accuse me of trolling, please. I think I'm stating some pretty basic stuff. It was a feel good, "we listened" moment that wasn't too truthful. The movement wasn't #PS4THEDRMWEHAVENOW, was it?
@jimmyfenix: Don't accuse me of trolling, please. I think I'm stating some pretty basic stuff. It was a feel good, "we listened" moment that wasn't too truthful. The movement wasn't #PS4THEDRMWEHAVENOW, was it?
Jesus christ you have a Diablo icon. Hell how much drm was in that game ? Sony's drm policy is the same as before oh and at least the console versions of diablo 3 will be able to play offline
So it seems to me if publishers want an online check on PS4 they have to build it themselves. So you could have games with similar XONE restrictions if the publisher wants, but Sony doesn't build\manage the system. Might be the better end of the deal for Sony as they wouldn't have to take flak for it if its fails.
@jimmyfenix: Don't accuse me of trolling, please. I think I'm stating some pretty basic stuff. It was a feel good, "we listened" moment that wasn't too truthful. The movement wasn't #PS4THEDRMWEHAVENOW, was it?
Jesus christ you have a Diablo icon. Hell how much drm was in that game ? Sony's drm policy is the same as before oh and at least the console versions of diablo 3 will be able to play offline
Lols, way to go off-topic for no reason. It's a cool logo and Diablo II is my favorite game ever.
But I do play Diablo III though, with M + KB and free online.
It's the same policy as now, but it will be interesting to see how multiplatform publishers deal with it. On the one hand, you can imagine a company like EA wanting consistency in how people can access and acquire their games. But on the other hand, being responsible for setting up that system for the PS4 on your own (instead of Microsoft having it in place) could be a big headache/cost (not to mention getting significant ill will from the user base). Unless they just went straight up old-school one-time use PC codes across the board and called it a day.
Seeing some of the responses to this makes me really sad. This is no different than what the PS3 or 360 do now and people are acting like they were betrayed.
This seems like one of those situations where people make mountains out of molehills, and complain about something based on assumptions that the worst-case scenario is the ONLY scenario. If you feel that Sony's conference presented a more open and consumer-friendly system than Microsoft's offering, that hasn't changed. The restrictions aren't nearly as severe on the Playstation 4 as compared to the Xbox One, even if developers can do what they want. To be honest, the fact that I can borrow and lend out games, and sell them however I want, is what really matters to me. Still impressed by what Sony is doing with the PS4.
This was to be expected. Sony still played this PR game incredibly well. Even though they are basically doing the same thing as Microsoft they have let the public paint them as as a white angel from gaming heaven.
This isn't even in the same continent as 'the same thing'
Unless you believe the PS3 and 360 are also doing the same thing as the new Xbox.
I actually thought that was fairly obvious by their wording, just like the way that online play behind PS+ flew under the radar but was still said.
You guys know it's the same as the online passes that have been around this gen, right?
It seems that this puts Sony and Microsoft on equal footing in terms of DRM (not to be confused with authentication). It's not exactly what Jack Tretton lead us to believe last night, but that's business I guess.
If the only difference between the two now is Microsoft requiring online authentication, and publishers being free dictate their own DRM, my question now is, can a publisher mandate that a game they put out on PS4 authenticate to their own servers every time someone wants to play it?
It's the same policy as now, but it will be interesting to see how multiplatform publishers deal with it. On the one hand, you can imagine a company like EA wanting consistency in how people can access and acquire their games. But on the other hand, being responsible for setting up that system for the PS4 on your own (instead of Microsoft having it in place) could be a big headache/cost (not to mention getting significant ill will from the user base). Unless they just went straight up old-school one-time use PC codes across the board and called it a day.
My guess is that one of two things will happen:
1) EA eats crow and decides to keep their word on abandoning the online pass even for the PS4. Take the loss and call it a day, really. The likelihood of a company like EA ever doing this without trying to fuck over the consumer in some way is negligible.
2) EA eats crow and reintroduces the Online Pass, but probably calls it something different. Or they could have the title of said Online Pass refer to the game itself, like ME2's Cerberus Network. Something like that.
Either way, EA got fucked hard on the PS4 reveal and I can't help but indulge in the schadenfreude.
The difference is that people trust Valve. Microsoft hasn't given anybody any reason to trust them, and if the last few months are any indication, has given a lot of people reason to be skeptical rather than trusting.
Anyone suddenly surprised by this has not been paying attention this whole time, and was certainly not paying attention last night. Sony has said all along that third parties will be able to do what they do. Sony is maintaining the same system they've always had. Some third parties will have draconian requirements and Sony leaves it up to you to decide whether or not you're going to support that shit. If you buy an Xbone, MS makes the decision for you, and that decision is online checkins, used games controlled by their system, and no lending. I am baffled that people are somehow calling this a backtrack.
I actually thought that was fairly obvious by their wording, just like the way that online play behind PS+ flew under the radar but was still said.
Online paywall was a bullet point in the PS+ slide. That's what made it obvious.
Tretton didn't say anything about publishers being able to implement DRM and it wasn't on a slide, right?
I actually thought that was fairly obvious by their wording, just like the way that online play behind PS+ flew under the radar but was still said.
Online paywall was a bullet point in the PS+ slide. That's what made it obvious.
Tretton didn't say anything about publishers being able to implement DRM and it wasn't on a slide, right?
He clearly said this stuff would be staying the same as it is on ps3.
It seems that this puts Sony and Microsoft on equal footing in terms of DRM (not to be confused with authentication). It's not exactly what Jack Tretton lead us to believe last night, but that's business I guess.
If the only difference between the two now is Microsoft requiring online authentication, and publishers being free dictate their own DRM, my question now is, can a publisher mandate that a game they put out on PS4 authenticate to their own servers every time someone wants to play it?
I'd say yes. They can kind of do that now for online only games like Dust 514, that requires 3rd party authentication. Sure, its an online only game so expectations are different, but its not a huge stretch to say that someone could make an offline game that requires similar authentication. Its more a matter of are players willing to accept the limitation and Sony seems to want to sidestep the conversation and make the publishers have to handle it.
This is already how it is on current gen consoles, can't be upset about that.
exactly, im just glad it doesnt have the full dependency on the internet that microsoft is saying you need to even play your games.
But I think the key difference between the 360/PS3 and the XB1/PS4 is that we know XB1 games are going to have DRM. Sony isn't going to stop publishers from enacting DRM. What will EA/Ubisoft/Activision and others do? Have the XB1 version with DRM and the PS4 with no DRM?
With MS, retailers, and publishers all on the same page with their used game and DRM plans, I expect at least 3rd party PS4 games to have the same restrictions. This whole situation is just Sony passing the buck to publishers so gamers can direct their fury to them.
@joshs said:
I can't wait for EA to try to re-implement online passes after just publicly removing them. :D
This is the only thing I'm curious about. I think EA was betting that Sony had a similar system--and I bet they did until a bit ago. Curious to see what EA's next move is.
I think the story is mostly a nonstory though. I doubt Sony could dictate that publishers not have DRM. It just can't be integrated into Sony's systems.
@rangers517: Ah, okay. That doesn't really seem like it can be guaranteed if the publishers dictate the DRM.
This was to be expected. Sony still played this PR game incredibly well. Even though they are basically doing the same thing as Microsoft they have let the public paint them as as a white angel from gaming heaven.
Yeah, because Sony is...doing none of the same stuff as Microsoft. They aren't "basically doing the same thing", Sony has put NO systems in place to help with DRM. It's going to work EXACTLY the same as it does now: publishers are free to put in online passes if they so choose, or something different, but Sony is NOT helping them do it.
meh, i think it's just smart business. sony's won the spin war- they've just put the onus back on publishers to dictate the terms of licensing, which is probably the wisest move they can make. it's deflection and distraction, but it's clever. and i can live with it.
"Well, I mean, we create the platform, we've certainly stated that our first-party games are not going to be doing that, but we welcome publishers and their business models to our platform," Tretton said.
What was that five minute speech even about then?
Headlines
Steam has a functional offline mode.
The only problem is what's to stop publishers from issuing a full-Game pass instead of an online pass. If that's the case then these games could actually be even more restrictive on the ps4 because those codes are typically associated with your account not your system. Meaning my wife could not play any of the games while logged into her account or vice-verse. :(
The only problem is what's to stop publishers from issuing a full-Game pass instead of an online pass. If that's the case then these games could actually be even more restrictive on the ps4 because those codes are typically associated with your account not your system. Meaning my wife could not play any of the games while logged into her account or vice-verse. :(
Its system everything on the ps3 was the system so you will be safe !
[Update: Sony has outright confirmed my initial interpretation. As reported by GameFront, Sony has stated that Tretton's use of the term "DRM" referred only to playing used games online. Essentially, they're talking about letting publishers use online passes, and no other kind of restrictions.]
I don't know the policies, and if they're under NDA nobody really does, but could this technically be a loosening? I wouldn't be surprised if Sony requires PS3 games to work offline, and it sounds like they're no longer mandating that.
Not a big deal, but maybe not exactly the status quo either. (Again, total speculation.)
I do not think so. Yeah if you have something like Destiny that is online only then yeah it will be online only, but for other games all they said is that it will be the same as now. It is still not forced DRM like the Xbox one system.
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