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#1  Edited By Aegon

@efesell said:

@aegon: Did you read that source or did you get the specific section of it that kind of supports your claim?

Because I'm looking at it and I feel you've ignored a somewhat important number, perhaps you can find it also.

Don't be coy. Participate or don't.

Though I'm sure I know what you're talking about, but that would mean you ignored the part where I said "by ratio".

72% of America is White and accounts for 69% of the crime (for the 2017 stats). Whereas 12.6% is Black and accounts for 27% of the crime. You know how numbers work ( I hope). If the number is above 12.6, they're overrepresented.

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@efesell said:

@aegon: You give me a wikipedia article that you clearly did not click through to the source and read further on, and then respond to someone giving you information that you want with TOO LONG DIDN'T READ.

Go away, this isn't worth anyone's time.

The source is the FBI. Wtf?

@aegon:There are known issues with the FBI's reporting and data on crime and homicide rates. Here's some evidence that talks about why relying on the hard numbers provided by the FBI and policing agencies is not a solid foundation for any argument.

Will look through.

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@efesell said:

@aegon: Since you love demanding that other people do homework for them start by citing your own claims instead of telling me it's the Truth over and over.

"Of the 9,468 murder arrests in the US in 2017, 53.5% were black"

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Source - Wiki, taken from FBI

@aegon: If you are truly interested in learning about alternatives to modern policing and not just stirring the shit you can start with The End of Policing.

Thanks for the rec, but is there no way to at least give me a bullet point idea of what the solution entails rather than having to read a book/books? At least to give me an idea.

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#4  Edited By Aegon

Your solution is no dialogue. How reasonable.

Give me a suggestion of what to google then?

"Dismantling the police force"? Will just "ACAB" do it?

*sigh*

@efesell said:

It matters how it sounds because it sounds like rank bullshit.

To what degree does the truth need to be sanitized for you to be palatable? Should I add "unfortunately" in there?

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Absolutely no-one who's posted ACAB has given me an end-game of any sort.

Reasonable, unreasonable. No end game at all.

I'd appreciate a legitimate solution being put forward from that perspective.

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That second bullet point hittin' the ear in a real troubling manner, not gonna lie.

It doesn't matter how it sounds. No disrespect is meant, but the truth needs to be dealt with for the lives of the people in the Black community to finally be rid of this weight.

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First and foremost, if this topic is unwanted, then I'm fine with mods locking the thread up. However, I'm trying to approach this in a calm, civil, rational way, so please bear with me...

We've been getting quite a few farewell threads here and I feel that some people underestimate the impact Abby's tweets in particular had on this situation, rather than just showing support for BLM.

Abby's tweets were met with a lot of positive responses from fans, proclaiming how the police force must indeed be disbanded because "All Cops Are Bastards".

I can say truthfully that I feel uneasy around cops, but that's likely only because I've never been in a situation where they were there and I needed them to be there. They wield authority. They have guns. It's scary. However, it's necessary. A civilized society has law and order, enforced by the officers (police), to keep citizens safe. So ACAB confuses me, as I'm sure it confused or dismayed those users canceling their subs and saying goodbye to GB. I'd appreciate any of the multitude of users I've seen on here calling for the dismantling of the police force to lay out a strategy where the end result is a better life for America's Black citizens (and of course all other citizens if the system has been so improved).

From my perspective, this is the situation:

  • Interactions with cops means you might interact with bad ones, who might end your life. Whether it be ignorant untrained behaviour or intentional misconduct. This is not the norm, it's just more likely the more interactions are racked up. Improvements on this front can be made via more thorough psychological vetting and training, but there will always be some that slip through. I'm under the impression that most people are assholes if they can get away with it anyways. That's hard to fix.
  • By ratio, Black people interact with cops a much larger amount than any other group. This is due to criminal activity.
  • I'm sure there are plenty of community outreach programs trying to get kids away from drugs, violence, gangs, but this is where the bulk of the effort needs to be put into. Don't commit crimes, don't interface with cops (to the best of your abilities). Participate in something productive. Focus on education, extracurricular activities, build a business, add to the growth of the community, etc.

That's really it. I don't see dismantling a pillar of civilized life as a viable option, but I'd like to hear a proposal for how it would be done without majorly crippling the day to day life of your average citizen during the transition period (transition to?....).

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Why do you guys think we've been getting more frequent premium sales as time goes on and Vinny dedicates more time to promoting it with each Beastcast?

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@aegon: One can argue that not having a podcast and breaking their one rule is a significant action to bring attention to the issue. And saying it is “pissing over Ryan’s #1 rule” is pretty heartless and cruel. Both Jeff and Vinny dogmatically have followed that rule with both podcasts even when it was forgivable to not have a podcast that Tuesday or Friday.

I think criticism of the decision is fair, but I think context is also important. It is more than just they aren’t making content today; they are doing the one thing they said they would never do and missing a bombcast when they said they never would. That is more than just doing nothing.

Not streaming is easier than streaming.

I'm not going to assume they were in love with that rule to begin with.