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#1  Edited By BojackHorseman

@koolaid: I'll try to answer this as best I can. On a personal level, you might not be outraged. Won't tell you how you're feeling, cause only you know that. But when a huge group berates a person or several person over what they tweet, it at least comes off as outrage more than collective disappointment or whatever. If I worded that like I intended, I think you can agree with me on that point.

And sure, you're allowed, supposed even, to say how you feel and why you feel it. But at a point, when other people are scared to say what they mean and engage in self censorship, it becomes a problem. Why not just unfollow/block instead? Why actively engage in something you find disheartening, especially on a platform like twitter.

Also, nice Big Lebowski reference in there dude.

Edit: Also, kudos the us, the users, for keeping this thing on the rails. I like that.

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@spaceinsomniac said:

I do appreciate Bill Maher speaking out against this sort of thing, though. People would be wise to take his advice, because there's a growing backlash against this sort of thing, and it's hurting the democratic party and liberalism in general.

People would be wise to never listen to a word that Bill Maher says, and mods would be wise to lock this thread asap like they did with the Colin Moriarty leaving Kinda Funny thread.

So when Bill Maher backs up freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gender equality, climate change etc. nobody should listen? Come on man, this is the kind of hyperbole we don't need. Yeah, he says stupid stuff, but he also says a lot of smart stuff.

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I do appreciate Bill Maher speaking out against this sort of thing, though. People would be wise to take his advice, because there's a growing backlash against this sort of thing, and it's hurting the democratic party and liberalism in general.

Yup. I think people who get offended so easily did half of Trump's campaigning for him. The same thing is happening all over Europe now. Right wing extremist parties are rising all over. In the Netherlands right now, one of the two leading candidates is a nut job who proposes to ban the Quran. There are basically three elections to look out for this year; France, Germany and Netherlands. If those three all get far right wing governments this year, it's about time to get real scared. It's a scary time to be alive in a lot of ways.

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The response to this thread so far has been heartening. It's easy sometimes to paint a broad stroke about how people are, but it's nice to see that all responses so far have been reasonable, even if we don't agree on everything.

Also, I think this video of Richard Dawkins perfectly says what I want to say. Man, I love that guy.

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#5  Edited By BojackHorseman

Okay, so before we go any further; this thread is not an attack on anyone. It's a thread where I lay out my thoughts on a few things in regards to politics, sparked mostly by recent events in the gaming community, but also a few other things. It should go without saying that this thread will remain civil, or be closed by the moderators, as we well know they will do.

And one more thing before I get to my main post; the reasoning behind this post is to garner a little bit of understanding and hopefully provoke some critical thinking about the subjects I bring up. If you no up front you have no interest in that or that you are not capable of that, click the button and close this window.

So, without further ado...

First things first, I've traditionally defined myself as a liberal. I value freedom of speech, religious freedom, gender equality and so on. As an atheist, it's kind of weird that the Bible basically has my motto in it, namely do unto others and all that. Generally, just be nice.

But a big hairy but lurks around the corner, and in this case that but is all about what happens when we're not nice. And I'm not really talking about when we're not nice like murdering someone (there's a whole system for that kind of not nice), but more the not nice when we say a bad joke for instance.

If you're following gaming personalities around the twitterverse, you'd be hard pressed to not stumble upon the "feud" around a certain group covering games these days. I'll try not be too specific, but basically it revolved around a bad joke of around five words from one member of the group, and a A4 page long apology from another member of the group. It was... Weird. Granted, this group does in a very real way rely on their audience for their bread and butter, so it's understandable that they felt they needed a response as the thing blew up. But there are two things that stick out here;

  1. Why were people lashing out against this person for this bad joke? That's a symptom of a bigger issue, which is what I'll get to.
  2. Why was the response from the other guys literally not just a tweet to this guy saying "bad joke". It would have defused the whole thing it seems. Position clear, not aggravating anyone. Done.

I will add at this point that I do not contribute to their Patreon, or any other Patreon for that matter.

So, there is no doubt that the people lashing out on this guy were mostly, like me, liberals. And my question then becomes, why are we as liberals, who are supposed to be the guys who don't get offended, always the ones who make a scene out of nothing? And why are we the ones who are right now the biggest threat to freedom of speech in the western world? How are we the generation who laughs at our parents for saying video games make us violent, then force an old man to apologize for saying a woman is beautiful? That connection might seem a stretch, but it's just about being reasonable.

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He later deleted this tweet and apologized if he had offended someone. Let's think about that. A bunch of people pressured a 71 year old man to delete a tweet in which he was paying tribute to his dead friend. Can anyone honestly be happy about that?

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I guess what I'm trying to say is, have we become addicted to outrage? Are we so focused on some sort of phony outrage against anyone who says anything we don't like, that we're killing free speech along the way? I'm kind of worried about that. On one hand we have a unstable person in the White House who's threatening the freedom of press, and the other we have huge amounts of people threatening the freedom of speech. I think this is one of those cases where to negatives don't make a positive.

That's how I see at least. But hey, I'm just a 25 year old guy from Norway, so I could be wrong about everything. In fact, it's highly possible that I am. But I'm still glad I can say it, and I hope the moderators allow this thread to stay open, cause it sure took me some time to write this.

So, discuss, share thoughts, grow our minds, and keep it civil. Thanks for reading my rambling thoughts.

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I think you'll get a quick look in March.

Edit: Wow, how weird that my comment didn't post until now. Right? Right? Riiiiight?

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This game is for those of us who can enjoy directionless and kind of meaningless games. Luckily for me, I love those kinds of games.

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The way many gamers react to reviews and other games related news, is why I still feel embarrassed to identify as someone who likes games. It's the same way I feel about identifying as a liberal in the post-joke world.

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People are assholes. Don't need to look further than the White House to know that.

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