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F*** the Wii

By calidan777 December 26, 2009 118 Comments

       So today I decided to take the family to town to do some after Christmas shopping and in doing so managed to pick up some things that I'm very happy with and at least one thing I'm not so happy with. One of the things that I'm very happy with is the Rocketfish PS3 controller. It's basically a PS3 controller that is made to look and feel just like an Xbox360 controller, which for me is great seeing as how I prefer the 360 controller. I tried it out on KillZone 2 and while it couldn't cure the general "jankiness" of that game's controls, it did make them more managable.
       But the thing that I picked up that I'm not happy with is "The Conduit" for the Wii. The thing that bugs me about this game is not the game at all but rather the controls, or more specifically, the Wii remote. Trying to play an FPS on Wii is simply headache inducing. I must have played with the control settings, adjusting all levels of sensitivity, for about half an hour and still wasn't able to come away with anything that felt "right". Even with the cursor sensitivity turned almost all the way down I still had trouble aiming. I'm a big time FPS guy and really love precision aiming which the Wii remote simply does not allow for. Before buying The Conduit, the closest thing to an FPS that I owned on the Wii was Metroid Prime 3, which is really only an FPS in viewpoint, which makes the fucked up Wii controls almost acceptable (although the Gamecube controller was still much better).
      I'd been thinking about buying The Conduit for some time now, but finding it for $14.99 at Target tonight made me go ahead and get it. What originally piqued my interest in the game was that it seemed to have a cool sci-fi setting and that it was exclusive to the Wii. The reason I don't own any FPS games on Wii is because before The Conduit, pretty much all FPS games on Wii were just ports of 360/PS3 games. I still think that the game has a cool vibe to it from what I have played, I just don't know if I'll have the patience to finish it because of the controls, which is really a shame. I really wish they would have given the option to just use the Gamecube controller.
      In parting I would like to offer some advice to any developer thinking of trying to make a Wii game that appeals to core gamers: don't. Just make your game for Xbox360 or PS3 because chances are your gonna sell more copies on either of those platforms than you will on the Wii. Pretty much every core game made for the Wii has bombed when it comes to sales, so the logical solution would be to not make games like that for the Wii. The only games that will ever sale on the Wii are Nintendo games and 3rd party games that look like Nintendo games. I really wish that we could get games like The Conduit and Mad World on the 360 or PS3, not only because of the controls, but because I believe those games would be much more successful on those platforms.
      So I'm sure I'll continue to use the Wii the way I always have which is turning it on when family or friends are over for a little casual Wii sports, but I'm giving up on "serious" games for the Wii, that's what my 360 and PS3 are for.

P.S. One of the other things I picked up while I was out was Demon's Souls for the PS3, which I'm really looking forward to trying out.

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Meowayne

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I don't like Halo, therefore the 360 sucks.

@Br3adfan said:

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@Meowayne said:

I don't like Halo, therefore the 360 sucks.

A more apt analogy might be, 'I don't like Perfect Dark Zero, therefore the 360 sucks.'

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@turbomonkey138 said:

" your lucky old school isn't here .... "

I'm here and I don't care. I'm not interested in FPS and I am not interested in The Conduit. So, I repeat, I don't care ^_^

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I just uh. It seems like. You know, you've got these multiple options, and you have your personal prefferences. It seems like the smart thing to do would be for specific types of games to shine on each console so people who like them can play all the games of the type they like. The idea that all systems should offer games that every kind of person would like, complete homogeneity, seems kind of stupid. It seems like something a stupid person would like.

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Everybody needs to stop and relax. All this pointless typing isn't get us anywhere.

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Claude

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@oldschool said:

" @turbomonkey138 said:
" your lucky old school isn't here .... "
I'm here and I don't care. I'm not interested in FPS and I am not interested in The Conduit. So, I repeat, I don't care ^_^ "

Don't be a conscientious objector during the war... my god. How can we win without our cult leader.

Otherwise, FPS games pretty much suck balls ... very subjective, play it safe and play your favorite.

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@Claude said:

" @oldschool said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" your lucky old school isn't here .... "
I'm here and I don't care. I'm not interested in FPS and I am not interested in The Conduit. So, I repeat, I don't care ^_^ "
Don't be a conscientious objector during the war... my god. How can we win without our cult leader.
Otherwise, FPS games pretty much suck balls ... very subjective, play it safe and play your favourite."

A good leader doesn't waste precious resources on trivial matters. By saying I don't care, I have only enraged them. Don't question your leader ^-^

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I have no care for most rpgs.So,every console that have rpg sucks even though they might have sold millions.

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oldschool

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@crystalskull2 said:

" I have no care for most rpgs.So,every console that have rpg sucks even though they might have sold millions. "

Heretic! You are worse than a Wii hater. :/

RPG is pretty much the only reason I play games ^_^

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crystalskull2

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@oldschool:I DO NOT HATE WII OR RPG.THAT WAS SARCASM.

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oldschool

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@crystalskull2 said:

" @oldschool:I DO NOT HATE WII OR RPG.THAT WAS SARCASM. "

I KNOW. I WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY.

WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?

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I just want to clarify that I do not hate the Wii. Do I get frustrated with it? Hell yes, but there are Wii games that I own that I very much enjoy like House of the Dead Overkill, Metroid Prime 3 and Wii Sports/Resort. I just get pissed off when I see developers try to shoehorn a genre onto the Wii that was clearly designed for a gamepad, because then I'm left thinking what could have been had it been released on a more suitable platform for that genre. Just because you can play a fighting game on PC with a keyboard doesn't mean it's just as good as an arcade stick.

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So you suck at one Wii game, and you officially hate the console. That makes sense.

/sarcasm

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demontium

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@Hailinel said:

" Isn't this more of a F*** The Conduit post and less of a Wii post in general? "

Yup

@calidan777: go figure... halo avatar...

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Al3xand3r

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@calidan777 said:

"I just want to clarify that I do not hate the Wii. Do I get frustrated with it? Hell yes, but there are Wii games that I own that I very much enjoy like House of the Dead Overkill, Metroid Prime 3 and Wii Sports/Resort. I just get pissed off when I see developers try to shoehorn a genre onto the Wii that was clearly designed for a gamepad, because then I'm left thinking what could have been had it been released on a more suitable platform for that genre. Just because you can play a fighting game on PC with a keyboard doesn't mean it's just as good as an arcade stick."

You once again contradict the little sense your posts made. MP3 is the same genre as The Conduit and you found it enjoyable so how is The Conduit's genre shoehorned? Also, how does enjoying such games like MP3 make you write a shitty thread like this asking developers to not make any serious effort on Wii ever again? You can't save your obvious ignorant trolling with contradictions. Once again, The Conduit has decent controls, if you can't aim as you said then you're doing something wrong. The game would be average regardless of the input device. And lol @ implying the FPS genre was designed for dual analog. You don't know much about video games, huh? By the way, no system has an arcade stick as standard.

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People should leave the Wii haters in peace and the Wii haters just shouldn't make threads. Yes, some arguments are ridiculous, but a waggle equipped, standard definition console is always going to start fights..

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calidan777

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@Al3xand3r said:

" @calidan777 said:
"I just want to clarify that I do not hate the Wii. Do I get frustrated with it? Hell yes, but there are Wii games that I own that I very much enjoy like House of the Dead Overkill, Metroid Prime 3 and Wii Sports/Resort. I just get pissed off when I see developers try to shoehorn a genre onto the Wii that was clearly designed for a gamepad, because then I'm left thinking what could have been had it been released on a more suitable platform for that genre. Just because you can play a fighting game on PC with a keyboard doesn't mean it's just as good as an arcade stick."
You once again contradict the little sense your posts made. MP3 is the same genre as The Conduit and you found it enjoyable so how is The Conduit's genre shoehorned? Also, how does enjoying such games like MP3 make you write a shitty thread like this asking developers to not make any serious effort on Wii ever again? You can't save your obvious ignorant trolling with contradictions. Once again, The Conduit has decent controls, if you can't aim as you said then you're doing something wrong. The game would be average regardless of the input device. And lol @ implying the FPS genre was designed for dual analog. You don't know much about video games, huh? By the way, no system has an arcade stick as standard. "

1. MP3 and The Conduit are NOT the same genre. yes they share the same "viewpoint", but MP3 is a first person adventure game while The Conduit is a first person shooter. MP3 is much slower paced, has platforming and a fucking lock-on feature, it is NOT an FPS.
2.I didn't ask developers to "not make any serious effort on Wii", now your putting words in my mouth.
3.Yes, now-a-days FPS games ARE designed for gamepads, love it or hate it, the home consoles own the FPS genre now.
4.I'm not even gonna respond to your last statement because my point clearly went over your head.

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Al3xand3r

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1) Bullshit, they're FPS games with emphasis on different things. The Half-Life series has many adventure elements and things to do to progress other than just shoot everything in sight but nobody questions their FPS status. Thankfully, not all games in any given genre are identical. Duh?

2) Bullshit, you did say that:

@calidan777 said:

"some advice to any developer thinking of trying to make a Wii game that appeals to core gamers: don't."

Coupled with the later statement of how you won't ever use the Wii again for serious games because that's what the other consoles are for, more than implying the Wii isn't for that, yes, you did say that, I didn't put any words in your mouth or anywhere else.

3) Bullshit, FPS aren't designed around any particular control method and despite selling more on 360 (well, Valve Software's games still sell more on PC and therefor get far more support there so you really don't know shit with your stereotyping blanket statements) they play far better elsewhere.

4) It's better you don't respond, you'd have yet more shitty contradictions and claims of how because you personally can't do an action as simple as pointing the whole system sucks and is unsuitable for core games which is lol worthy.

Shit, your beloved Giant Bomb rated another "core" Wii game with a great score (and praise some of the Wii specific features), according to you we would have been better off without the game's existence or something, since developers should apparently not make such attempts on Wii. Which is a pretty stupid thing to say even if it's just random, ignorant, attention seeking hyperbole trolling since the project wouldn't have existed at all if not for Wii. And before you say it would sell better elsewhere, a) it's by a small rate developer, not an in-house AAA Konami team, b) the series has been in decline, c) it has mixed reviews, d) people like you keep writing shitty user reviews and spreading their shitty trolling over message boards saying it sucks and shouldn't be on Wii, e) the genre has been proven to sell on Wii with RE4 so clearly there are other factors beyond the platform that caused this to not sell much, f) the game had a limited release in the first place and is already out of stock in major retailers like Amazon, g) the PS2 version held it back. And, the most impotant of all, h) the game is on Wii, it's a good game, so serious gamers interested should have wanted it regardless of the total sales it will achieve. Sales don't mean shit in the end, most of the games I enjoy on any system aren't great sellers. Besides, the Wii and Nintendo games sell the most but that doesn't make you think they're the best, given this "Fuck the Wii" thread. The same applies to all systems and games, obviously, so don't worry about sales at all and just play what you like without shitting on what others may like. It isn't hard.

Since I went back to re-read your shitty post for that quote, I should add your claims of sales are profoundly ignorant. None of the games you're so confident would sell so much better on other systems would. We have similar examples both this generation and last generation. Compare No More Heroes on Wii to Afro Samurai on 360 (same genre, same mixed reviews) or to past Suda51 games like Killer7 which was a multiplatform title on both the GameCube and PlayStation 2. Compare MadWorld on Wii to GodHand on PS2 (same genre, same developer, same mixed reviews). The Wii games sold much better. Hell, compare Okami (it's by the MadWorld developer also) on PS2 with the belated Wii port. The latter sold more again. They aren't games that would do well on any platform, and the few high profile games that appear on Wii sell on par with other systems like Monster Hunter 3 reaching a million in Japan. Coupled with the lower development costs it seems it would be stupid to not make games on Wii rather than the opposite since there are many studios that have closed down or have been otherwise reduced after HD console bombs, not Wii bombs. Big publishers are leaking money left and right. Your financial advice and knowledge of the industry is pure, smelly trolling bullshit.

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@AgentJ: Do you guys have to roll like, nine deep in every Wii thread?

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@ryanwho said:

" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "

Perfect first response for this thread.

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@End_Boss said:

" @AgentJ: Do you guys have to roll like, nine deep in every Wii thread? "

Why am I the one replied to? I rarely ever participate in these sorts of threads anymore, just because they never lead anywhere.

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Don't fuck the Wii. The slot is much too small. Unless . . . OH. I'm sorry, I didn't . . . I mean . . . some of us are just better off than others . . . geez, this is embarassing . . .

But, in all seriousness, you'll get shocked either way, even if your little willie fits.

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@Arkthemaniac said:

" Don't fuck the Wii. The slot is much too small. Unless . . . OH. I'm sorry, I didn't . . . I mean . . . some of us are just better off than others . . . geez, this is embarassing . . . But, in all seriousness, you'll get shocked either way, even if your little willie fits. "

I'd just as soon avoid doing anything that would risk voiding the warranty.

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Nice to see the usual favourites making an appearance in this thread.

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@Al3xand3r: I'm not gonna respond to you anymore after this because frankly I'm sick of hearing from your pathetic ass. With that said I will reiterate that MP3 is not an FPS. Half-Life 2 is, the Conduit is, CoD is, Mp3 is not. The main aspect of an FPS is the aiming and shooting of guns and the fun that brings, therefore a game that offers a "lock-on" feature is not, I repeat NOT an FPS. It's true that most FPS games have you doing things other than just shooting stuff, Half-Life has puzzles you can solve with the gravity gun, but the core gameplay mechanic is still aiming and shooting. The Metroid Prime games, all the way back to the first one on Gamecube, have always had more emphasis on exploration, scanning objectives, platforming, etc.,basically 2-D Metroid but in a first person view.
You said: " Also, how does enjoying such games like MP3 make you write a shitty thread like this asking developers to not make any serious effort on Wii ever again?"
I said: " In parting I would like to offer some advice to any developer thinking of trying to make a Wii game that appeals to core gamers: don't. Just make your game for Xbox360 or PS3 because chances are your gonna sell more copies on either of those platforms than you will on the Wii. Pretty much every core game made for the Wii has bombed when it comes to sales, so the logical solution would be to not make games like that for the Wii. "
See what I did there? I added "the context".
Yes, the vast majority of FPS games are (and have been for a while now) designed around dual analog game pads, and just because you think (yes, think, unless you have access to Valve's Steam sales records that noone else has) that one developer (Valve) sales more of there games on PC than console (L4D on 360 was #5 on the November NPD's top ten best selling games, while the PC version wasn't on there at all) doesn't really help your argument.
Since you apparently couldn't grasp my original point I'll try to present it in such a way that you can understand: Just because you can put a certain kind of game on the Wii, doesn't mean you should.
I'm not sure what Wii game your saying got a great score here on the good 'ol giantbomb, but I did find it awefully funny that you decided to go ahead and defend it's sales figures without even knowing what they are. That alone should make a light come on in that dark and gloomy dome sitting on top of your shoulders.

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@calidan777: They're called line breaks. Use them.

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Wait, Metroid Prime 3 had bad controls? Didn't people love that game for showing people how to do an FPS on the Wii?

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@Hailinel said:

" @calidan777: They're called line breaks. Use them. "

Really?

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@calidan777 said:

" @Al3xand3r: From the things you wrote I'm assuming that you either own or have played The Conduit, so in that case I would like to know what control setup that you used, sensitivity settings, camera mode, button layout, etc.,. I really would like to be able to play the game and enjoy it and therefore I am open to any suggestions on how to go about doing that. So if you say the controls worked fine for you then what configuration did you use? "

I generally avoid these crap-fests of posts because half the responses here are why the internet is retarded some times, but this response seems pretty genuine so I figure I would throw some advice out there:

Essentially like all well-controlled Wii FPSes you need to do one major thing imo, and that is to reduce the dead zone box as small as it can go. This will allow you to quickly turn the camera while barely moving the cursor on screen which makes it feel more like a traditional PC or dual stick FPS. Secondly you need to use the iron sight, or in the Conduits case the lock-on button. This locks the camera into place so you do not have to worry about it spinning crazy as you aim. I think I knocked the sensitivity up a bit (personal preference as do the same in most all FPSes) and used the "Trust" camera option but otherwise every other control option was set to default. Also it helps to sit directly in front of your TV, I find that sitting at an angle causes my wrist to hurt and my aim is very poor for fairly obvious reasons.

That aside keep in mind that aiming the cursor on Wii games has nothing to do with motion controls as it is the ir gizmo and as such your aim is always based on how well you can actually aim. Not finicky motion controls or something, that would be something like the god awful sword fights in the original Red Steel.

And lastly, the Conduit is fairly generic as far as FPSes go and later in the game the AI kind of sucks bawls so it is not exactly what I would call the best FPS on the Wii anyway, I give that bad boy to the most generic World War 2 shooter ever Medal of Honor: Heroes 2. If you want to see good first person shooter controls on the Wii, that is the game to go to imo. It did everything the Conduit did a year earlier and I liked it a hell of a lot more than The Conduit.

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calidan777

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@dcpc10 said:

" @calidan777 said:
" @Al3xand3r: MP3 is not an FPS. Half-Life 2 is, the Conduit is, CoD is, Mp3 is not. The main aspect of an FPS is the aiming and shooting of guns and the fun that brings, therefore a game that offers a "lock-on" feature is not, I repeat NOT an FPS. "
MP3 has: -A first-person perspective -Shooting. Even if theres lock-on, you still use a weapon that shoots projectiles. Even if it's not a very action-oriented FPS, it still counts as an FPS. "

No it's not, when the first Metroid Prime game came out even Nintendo refused to call it a "first person shooter", because they dubbed it a "first person adventure game". Fallout 3 has a first person viewpoint and shooting, but would you really say that it's the same kind of game as say, Modern Warfare 2?

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@calidan777 said:

" @dcpc10 said:
" @calidan777 said:
" @Al3xand3r: MP3 is not an FPS. Half-Life 2 is, the Conduit is, CoD is, Mp3 is not. The main aspect of an FPS is the aiming and shooting of guns and the fun that brings, therefore a game that offers a "lock-on" feature is not, I repeat NOT an FPS. "
MP3 has: -A first-person perspective -Shooting. Even if theres lock-on, you still use a weapon that shoots projectiles. Even if it's not a very action-oriented FPS, it still counts as an FPS. "
No it's not, when the first Metroid Prime game came out even Nintendo refused to call it a "first person shooter", because they dubbed it a "first person adventure game". Fallout 3 has a first person viewpoint and shooting, but would you really say that it's the same kind of game as say, Modern Warfare 2? "

Metroid Prime 2 and 3 both have a heavier emphasis on action than the original, despite all of the exploration and item collection.

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@Zenaxzd: Thanks for the civil response, I'll definitely try setting up the controls the way you suggested.

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This could very well be the most important thread in the history of Giant Bomb, but I wouldn't know....the wall of text destroyed my will to live.

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@Stang said:

" This could very well be the most important thread in the history of Giant Bomb, but I wouldn't know....the wall of text destroyed my will to live. "

lol, that made me laugh so hard it hurt : )

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@Zenaxzd said:

" @calidan777 said:
" @Al3xand3r: From the things you wrote I'm assuming that you either own or have played The Conduit, so in that case I would like to know what control setup that you used, sensitivity settings, camera mode, button layout, etc.,. I really would like to be able to play the game and enjoy it and therefore I am open to any suggestions on how to go about doing that. So if you say the controls worked fine for you then what configuration did you use? "
I generally avoid these crap-fests of posts because half the responses here are why the internet is retarded some times, but this response seems pretty genuine so I figure I would throw some advice out there:

Essentially like all well-controlled Wii FPSes you need to do one major thing imo, and that is to reduce the dead zone box as small as it can go. This will allow you to quickly turn the camera while barely moving the cursor on screen which makes it feel more like a traditional PC or dual stick FPS. Secondly you need to use the iron sight, or in the Conduits case the lock-on button. This locks the camera into place so you do not have to worry about it spinning crazy as you aim. I think I knocked the sensitivity up a bit (personal preference as do the same in most all FPSes) and used the "Trust" camera option but otherwise every other control option was set to default. Also it helps to sit directly in front of your TV, I find that sitting at an angle causes my wrist to hurt and my aim is very poor for fairly obvious reasons.

That aside keep in mind that aiming the cursor on Wii games has nothing to do with motion controls as it is the ir gizmo and as such your aim is always based on how well you can actually aim. Not finicky motion controls or something, that would be something like the god awful sword fights in the original Red Steel.

And lastly, the Conduit is fairly generic as far as FPSes go and later in the game the AI kind of sucks bawls so it is not exactly what I would call the best FPS on the Wii anyway, I give that bad boy to the most generic World War 2 shooter ever Medal of Honor: Heroes 2. If you want to see good first person shooter controls on the Wii, that is the game to go to imo. It did everything the Conduit did a year earlier and I liked it a hell of a lot more than The Conduit. "

Post of the thread. I must keep this in mind if I ever play a Wii FPS. I totally agree about sitting in front of the TV. It isn't like you would sit at an angle to your PC and monitor to play Crysis. It is true about most of the Wii games and I don't see that as a minus (stand up which I do a lot, or move your chair in front).

The one thing I noticed watching a review of the game was that the reviewer kept complaining that every time he shot, he would move the controller just slightly, missing the exact spot he was after. I didn't get that. Surely you would learn to compensate, much like you may do with a real gun. I don't see how that is a problem.

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@ryanwho said:

" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "

I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming.

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@Relys said:

" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "

Be more ignorant, why don't you?

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@Relys said:

" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "

You should play games like the games you grew up with. You know, games with giant space marines and chainsaws and "pause the game and aim for the head and win" style gameplay and QTEs. Like the good ol' days.

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@Stang said:

" This could very well be the most important thread in the history of Giant Bomb, but I wouldn't know....the wall of text destroyed my will to live. "

You're telling me. I got to one of those and I shit...a brick. Get it? A brick?

Everyone is so mad in here. Let me leave you all with some good energy. (INFINITE QUOTE GOGOGOGO)

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@Hailinel said:

" @Relys said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "
Be more ignorant, why don't you? "

Talk to my dusty Wii why dontcha?

@ryanwho said:

" @Relys said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "
You should play games like the games you grew up with. You know, games with giant space marines and chainsaws and "pause the game and aim for the head and win" style gameplay and QTEs. Like the good ol' days. "

I grew up on Quake III, SMW, OOT, Goldeneye, Carmon Sandeago, Mist, Spyro, CS, Sonic, and MGS just to name a few. I have a very well balanced old school background.

MW2 is a joke, I just bought the Unreal Deal on steam and I'm thoroughly enjoying playing Unreal '99 and 2004. Also, braid, tourchlight, trine, Trials HD, and Shadow Complex are a few great games I've been playing.

The only good thing on the Wii was SMG and World of Goo.

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You bought The Conduit? Did you miss Jeff's review?

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@Relys said:

" @Hailinel said:
" @Relys said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "
Be more ignorant, why don't you? "
Talk to my dusty Wii why dontcha?

@ryanwho said:
" @Relys said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "
You should play games like the games you grew up with. You know, games with giant space marines and chainsaws and "pause the game and aim for the head and win" style gameplay and QTEs. Like the good ol' days. "
I grew up on Quake III, SMW, OOT, Goldeneye, Carmon Sandeago, Mist, Spyro, CS, Sonic, and MGS just to name a few. I have a very well balanced old school background. MW2 is a joke, I just bought the Unreal Deal on steam and I'm thoroughly enjoying playing Unreal '99 and 2004. Also, braid, tourchlight, trine, Trials HD, and Shadow Complex are a few great games I've been playing. The only good thing on the Wii was SMG and World of Goo. "

I'm going to bow out of this now, as I know that this will only devolve into yet another conversation where someone lists a whole host of quality Wii games that you will inevitably ignore because you're apparently too "with it" to need education on the matter.

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@Relys said: "Also, braid, tourchlight, trine, Trials HD, and Shadow Complex are a few great games I've been playing."

You sir have great tastes in games, I've been playing the hell out of Torchlight : )

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@SJSchmidt93 said:

" You bought The Conduit? Did you miss Jeff's review? "

lol, I guess so

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@calidan777 said:

"random crap about things calidan777 doesn't understand or know much about"

The Conduit has lock on also, though it's more loose than in MP3 (how did you not notice it if you spent so much time in the options?), and the console versions of Modern Warfare 2 have a form of lock on also (bringing up the iron sights centers them on the enemy, and it's also somewhat sticky in some situations, which is very similar to Prime 3's lock-on, just not as effective, since with some options it also allows you to fine tune your aim at different body parts than be locked @ the center) so, like I said, MP3 is the same genre as The Conduit which is the same genre as Modern Warfare 2 and that is the FPS genre, having more or less of a feature that's there in most games doesn't change the genre. How many console F/TPS games have a loose form of auto aim which means according to you they miss the fun of aiming which defines FPS? You're basically telling me that if I choose to not make much use of the lock on in Prime 3 its genre changes making it an FPS while for someone who chooses to make heavy use of lock on the genre is no longer an FPS. How awesome, it's 2 completely different games, in different genres even, all in one huh?

Your last response ignores most of my points and your past contradictions, as well as actual facts about game sales and even the whole industry in general, and restates the same old batshit insane ignorant bullshit that have been countered multiple times with facts so, refer to my previous comments. Since you don't believe that Valve's games sell more on PC because you saw one of their games pop up on some top 5 or whatever, here's something about Orange Box which was arguably a grander release and not just a budget title. Yeah, at least double digit increase in percentage of sales, 2 years ago (they still sell on PC with price cuts and easy access thanks to digital distribution). Questioning simple facts like that shows how ignorant you are about things you try to settle with outrageous claims. I'm glad you won't respond, you mostly just troll anyway.

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@calidan777 said:

" @Relys said: "Also, braid, tourchlight, trine, Trials HD, and Shadow Complex are a few great games I've been playing." You sir have great tastes in games, I've been playing the hell out of Torchlight : ) "

Why thank you good sir. I commend your taste in fine gaming as well. :)@Hailinel said:

" @Relys said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @Relys said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "
Be more ignorant, why don't you? "
Talk to my dusty Wii why dontcha?

@ryanwho said:
" @Relys said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "
I grew up on Nintendo, and the Wii catered to n00bs with no history or respect for gaming. "
You should play games like the games you grew up with. You know, games with giant space marines and chainsaws and "pause the game and aim for the head and win" style gameplay and QTEs. Like the good ol' days. "
I grew up on Quake III, SMW, OOT, Goldeneye, Carmon Sandeago, Mist, Spyro, CS, Sonic, and MGS just to name a few. I have a very well balanced old school background. MW2 is a joke, I just bought the Unreal Deal on steam and I'm thoroughly enjoying playing Unreal '99 and 2004. Also, braid, tourchlight, trine, Trials HD, and Shadow Complex are a few great games I've been playing. The only good thing on the Wii was SMG and World of Goo. "
I'm going to bow out of this now, as I know that this will only devolve into yet another conversation where someone lists a whole host of quality Wii games that you will inevitably ignore because you're apparently too "with it" to need education on the matter. "

I will say I've "already played it", because I have.. I have played lots of Wii games, and very few have left lasting impressions on me. List away your list good sir, I will be happy to comment on why I think they weren't worth my time.

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@Relys: I kind of doubt that, but I'll humor you anyway:

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Punch-Out!!
Rabbids Go Home
The Bit.Trip WiiWare titles
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
No More Heroes
MadWorld
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
House of the Dead: Overkill
Dead Space: Extraction
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Trauma Center: New Blood
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories
Phantom Brave: We Meet Again
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Mario Kart Wii
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10
Wii Sports Resort

And those are just the ones off the top of my head.

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Im pretty sure he vaguely knows about some of those and they don't really interest him, not really, so he'll keep trolling along. Because you'd have to be willingly ignorant not to know about most of those games existing, so any kind of revelation would tell me this dude lives under a rock. So clearly willful ignorance and "smart" assumptions about a bunch of games he never tried are the medicine here tonight.

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F*** the Wii

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