So today I decided to take the family to town to do some after Christmas shopping and in doing so managed to pick up some things that I'm very happy with and at least one thing I'm not so happy with. One of the things that I'm very happy with is the Rocketfish PS3 controller. It's basically a PS3 controller that is made to look and feel just like an Xbox360 controller, which for me is great seeing as how I prefer the 360 controller. I tried it out on KillZone 2 and while it couldn't cure the general "jankiness" of that game's controls, it did make them more managable.
       But the thing that I picked up that I'm not happy with is "The Conduit" for the Wii. The thing that bugs me about this game is not the game at all but rather the controls, or more specifically, the Wii remote. Trying to play an FPS on Wii is simply headache inducing. I must have played with the control settings, adjusting all levels of sensitivity, for about half an hour and still wasn't able to come away with anything that felt "right". Even with the cursor sensitivity turned almost all the way down I still had trouble aiming. I'm a big time FPS guy and really love precision aiming which the Wii remote simply does not allow for. Before buying The Conduit, the closest thing to an FPS that I owned on the Wii was Metroid Prime 3, which is really only an FPS in viewpoint, which makes the fucked up Wii controls almost acceptable (although the Gamecube controller was still much better).
      I'd been thinking about buying The Conduit for some time now, but finding it for $14.99 at Target tonight made me go ahead and get it. What originally piqued my interest in the game was that it seemed to have a cool sci-fi setting and that it was exclusive to the Wii. The reason I don't own any FPS games on Wii is because before The Conduit, pretty much all FPS games on Wii were just ports of 360/PS3 games. I still think that the game has a cool vibe to it from what I have played, I just don't know if I'll have the patience to finish it because of the controls, which is really a shame. I really wish they would have given the option to just use the Gamecube controller.
      In parting I would like to offer some advice to any developer thinking of trying to make a Wii game that appeals to core gamers: don't. Just make your game for Xbox360 or PS3 because chances are your gonna sell more copies on either of those platforms than you will on the Wii. Pretty much every core game made for the Wii has bombed when it comes to sales, so the logical solution would be to not make games like that for the Wii. The only games that will ever sale on the Wii are Nintendo games and 3rd party games that look like Nintendo games. I really wish that we could get games like The Conduit and Mad World on the 360 or PS3, not only because of the controls, but because I believe those games would be much more successful on those platforms.
      So I'm sure I'll continue to use the Wii the way I always have which is turning it on when family or friends are over for a little casual Wii sports, but I'm giving up on "serious" games for the Wii, that's what my 360 and PS3 are for.
 
P.S. One of the other things I picked up while I was out was Demon's Souls for the PS3, which I'm really looking forward to trying out.

Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself.

Isn't this more of a F*** The Conduit post and less of a Wii post in general?

Rant much

I heard if you stick the wii remote up your ass and then try to point at the sensor bar it might work better.

wii shooters aren't the greatest.  
personally, mature wii games would be more successful on the PS3 / 360.  
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be on the wii, but they would be better sold on the bigger consoles, and i'd love to play murmasa on the PS3. 

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

your lucky old school isn't here ....

" @Hailinel said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

And I've played many that weren't. Playing hardcore games on the Wii, especially third party, is like stepping through a minefield.  "

You can't play one game on the Wii and then make a judgement on the console. It's just not fair.

" Serious games for serious mature gamers such as yourself. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

And I've played many that weren't. Playing hardcore games on the Wii, especially third party, is like stepping through a minefield.  "

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

And I've played many that weren't. Playing hardcore games on the Wii, especially third party, is like stepping through a minefield.  "

Resident Evil 4, The Godfather: Blackhand Edition and Bully were all better on the Wii and third party by the way. "

At least they tried to make a good Wii FPS. Would have been better if they threw out the Wii controls for a regular one instead.

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

And I've played many that weren't. Playing hardcore games on the Wii, especially third party, is like stepping through a minefield.  "

Resident Evil 4, The Godfather: Blackhand Edition and Bully were all better on the Wii and third party by the way. "

In before the Wii fanboy's cries, "ZOMG teh Wii is better for everythang!!!!11. It is teh Second Coming!!!1111"

The controls are one of the few good things about that game and they work well. Ie, you just suck at it. Yes, RE4 Wii edition is the definitive version as it has the better visuals of the GC version, the extra content of the PS2 version, and incredible controls. I love how you say you love precision but tried to turn sensitivity down instead of up. Unless you have some kind of disease that causes your hands and arms to flail uncontrollably you should be able to aim just fine on anything that uses the Wii's perfectly capable pointer, whether it's a lightgun game (with 1:1 calibration available making aiming perfect just like in the arcades if you get a good gun shell), or a T/FPS game (where calibration isn't even needed as you don't aim down your remote's (nonexistent) sights, you just hold it in your lap like a normal controller and drag the cursor around as if it was a mouse using simple slight wrist movement). Also, love how you give up on Wii's serious games because you bought a shitty one. You sir are a true gamer and your advice should totally be considered by any and all developers out there. In short, fuck moronic trolling threads like this :-)

" @Claude said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

And I've played many that weren't. Playing hardcore games on the Wii, especially third party, is like stepping through a minefield.  "

Resident Evil 4, The Godfather: Blackhand Edition and Bully were all better on the Wii and third party by the way. "

RE4 is a port of a PS2 game that was a port of a Gamecube game, it can hardly be called an unproven property. Same with Bully. Never heard of Godfather Blackhand Edition, but why would I play any Godfather game when I can just play GTAIV or Infamous or Prototype or Saint's Row 2?  "

" @Claude said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Geno said:

" @Hailinel: Well, it generally applies to most hardcore games on the Wii.  "

How so?  I've played plenty of "hardcore" games on the Wii that are really damn good. "

And I've played many that weren't. Playing hardcore games on the Wii, especially third party, is like stepping through a minefield.  "

Resident Evil 4, The Godfather: Blackhand Edition and Bully were all better on the Wii and third party by the way. "

Did you really just type that RE4 was better on Wii than on Gamecube? "

Keep moving them goal posts. No good serious games. No good third party serious games. No good third party serious explosion fests. No good third party serious explosionfests that I personally like more than my personal favorite game I play on my console of choice. Etc. Funny shit. Gotta love how every thread with Wii in the title ends up with the usual suspects asking for list wars even though there are already plenty of threads with information about the many great Wii games. Stop shitting up the forums doodz, you know who you are.

" The controls are one of the few good things about that game and they work well. Ie, you just suck at it. Yes, RE4 Wii edition is the definitive version as it has the better visuals of the GC version, the extra content of the PS2 version, and incredible controls. I love how you say you love precision but tried to turn sensitivity down instead of up. Unless you have some kind of disease that causes your hands and arms to flail uncontrollably you should be able to aim just fine on anything that uses the Wii's perfectly capable pointer, whether it's a lightgun game (with 1:1 calibration available making aiming perfect just like in the arcades if you get a good gun shell), or a T/FPS game (where calibration isn't even needed as you don't aim down your remote's (nonexistent) sights, you just hold it in your lap like a normal controller and drag the cursor around as if it was a mouse using simple slight wrist movement). Also, love how you give up on Wii's serious games because you bought a shitty one. You sir are a true gamer and your advice should totally be considered by any and all developers out there. In short, fuck moronic trolling threads like this :-) "

"The text brick of bullshit you have become famous for. Nice job making your post as personal as possible.  Apparently you love older diseased men."

Well, the special Wii Hater's Club has made an appearance. They need to join forces and make something of themselves. I can see they are starving for attention in a losing battle.

I can see they are starving for attention in a losing battle. "

As far as it goes I don't think The Conduit was a fair representation of the controls potential of a Wii FPS.  There are other Wii FPS games that control better.  The Conduit never feels right.

What's with all the flame bait topics lately?

" @Claude said:

I can see they are starving for attention in a losing battle. "

Funny. Major developers leaving the Wii citing technical limitations and critics constantly lambasting its library must be due to random variation and not due to, oh I dunno, the actual existence of said issues. "

Ah yes the moment you get your first game on the Wii that you don't care for the in game controls, this happens to all of us. I picked up Godzilla for $5 in a clearance bin at gamestop, the controls made that game not even worth the $5 price tag. Oh lets not forget playing light gun games like Resident Evil The Umbrella Chronicles and not being able to turn off the aiming reticle!!! That alone killed any arcade feel that I was looking for in that Light gun game. I suggest playing the Wii for the Mario games and then just leave it there for everything else.

" @Geno said:

" @Claude said:

I can see they are starving for attention in a losing battle. "

Funny. Major developers leaving the Wii citing technical limitations and critics constantly lambasting its library must be due to random variation and not due to, oh I dunno, the actual existence of said issues. "

Can hardly get more major than Nintendo but anyway. Keep those majors to yourself, personally I enjoy smaller developers' offerings far more. It was nice to have both major and minor together on the PS2 last gen but if I had to pick, like I have to this gen, I'd go for the minor developers. Less emphasis on hollywoodesque productions ftw. The few major offerings I'm into I can get their superior versions on PC anyway. Feel free to not agree but to pretend it's universally bad for everyone who may have a Wii is pretty ignorant and stupid. "

" @Geno said:

" @Claude said:

I can see they are starving for attention in a losing battle. "

Funny. Major developers leaving the Wii citing technical limitations and critics constantly lambasting its library must be due to random variation and not due to, oh I dunno, the actual existence of said issues. "

Can hardly get more major than Nintendo but anyway. Keep those majors to yourself, personally I enjoy smaller developers' offerings far more. It was nice to have both major and minor together on the PS2 last gen but if I had to pick, like I have to this gen, I'd go for the minor developers. Less emphasis on hollywoodesque productions ftw. The few major offerings I'm into I can get their superior versions on PC anyway. Feel free to not agree but to pretend it's universally bad for everyone who may have a Wii is pretty ignorant and stupid. "

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

"The text brick of bullshit you have become famous for. Nice job making your post as personal as possible.  Apparently you love older diseased men."

Only you could make such a conclusion from completely irrelevant text. Congratulations, you're special, but not in the way your mommy tells you.PS: That was one short paragraph, far from a text brick. You should try reading a book, then a mere paragraph won't seem so long anymore. "

" What's with all the flame bait topics lately? "

" @Br3adfan said:

" What's with all the flame bait topics lately? "

just wait for all the posts about how good GB USED to be now then. "

" @Claude: i think nintendroids sounds better. (i haven't been here long enough to care) "

" @Al3xand3r said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

"The text brick of bullshit you have become famous for. Nice job making your post as personal as possible.  Apparently you love older diseased men."

Only you could make such a conclusion from completely irrelevant text. Congratulations, you're special, but not in the way your mommy tells you.PS: That was one short paragraph, far from a text brick. You should try reading a book, then a mere paragraph won't seem so long anymore. "

You're calling your own post irrelevant? You called the OP bad at the game and that he may have a disease. Also bricks are rectangular in nature, your post was a brick, it just wasn't a wall. "

Jesus Christ, now he is even laying mortar between his bricks.  

" @Bones8677 said:

" @Al3xand3r said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

"The text brick of bullshit you have become famous for. Nice job making your post as personal as possible.  Apparently you love older diseased men."

Only you could make such a conclusion from completely irrelevant text. Congratulations, you're special, but not in the way your mommy tells you.PS: That was one short paragraph, far from a text brick. You should try reading a book, then a mere paragraph won't seem so long anymore. "

You're calling your own post irrelevant? You called the OP bad at the game and that he may have a disease. Also bricks are rectangular in nature, your post was a brick, it just wasn't a wall. "

Irrelevant (as in, not relevant) to his conclusions, like duh? Of course.Bricks have depth as they're physical objects so no, it wasn't a brick even if you twist it like that. How's that? "

ITT: PS360 gamers bitch that the Wii isn't the same as the PS3 and 360.

" What's with all the flame bait topics lately? "

the wii does kind of suck. comparing FPS on the wii and the xbox 360, the wii looks weird. i just think because of the way when aiming on the wii. the wii is more for causal people that don't play video games to much. they are just kind of like hey i'm having fun waving my hands around.