Something went wrong. Try again later

Choffy

This user HAS updated recently.

484 2484 49 20
Forum Posts Wiki Points Following Followers

I saw a man push his girlfriend yesterday

... and I can't stop thinking about it. Not just from seeing the act itself, but because I feel I should have done more.

I was at the Arizona Cardinals game yesterday, and before the game my group and I were sitting outside the stadium at some tables, watching the morning football games. My friends leave to go to the bathroom before we go inside, and I see a young woman around my age (early to mid-twenties) yelling with her boyfriend while walking. I couldn't hear what they were saying, but she then grabbed and tossed his sunglasses on the ground, and he threw her to the ground for it. Hard. And she started crying.

I was sitting by myself and might have been the only person who saw the whole thing. I didn't know what to do. Not too long after, some people come up to her to make sure she's ok, but they clearly didn't see the abuse and don't confront the boyfriend who walked a bit away and had his hands on his head, clearly regretting what he did. But he still did it. She said she was fine and got up, still sobbing. She briskly walked to my table and through tears asked if she could sit there. I said "of course. Are you ok?" and she shook her head yes. 10 seconds after she sits down my group of friends came walking back up, motioned to go inside to the game and I left with them.

I told my friends about the situation while we were walking to our seats, and they all tried to convince me there wasn't much more I could have done other than asking if she was okay. But I feel terrible about it all, even 24 hours later. I should have done more. I feel I should have gotten up and confronted her boyfriend. I feel I should have helped her up, and asked if she was ok when she was alone crying on the ground. I feel I should have stuck around with her at the table. I feel I should gotten her out of the situation somehow, and made sure she was okay and not just leaving her alone at the table. I should have done more.

It feels good to get this off my chest since it really disturbed me. Next time I won't just stand by and let those things happen to a poor young woman. But that's if there is a next time. Why didn't I do that this time?

I should have done more.

UPDATE: To those saying it could have resulted in a violence, he could have been carrying a weapon, etc., we were just outside the stadium and past security. He would have somehow been able to sneak a weapon into the stadium past metal detectors. Also, by "confronting" I simply mean helping her up and telling her boyfriend that his actions weren't okay. Not yelling or getting in his face or anything, but you never know how that can turn out.

61 Comments

62 Comments

Avatar image for alexw00d
AlexW00d

7604

Forum Posts

3686

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

I'm more concerned about the people answering in this thread advicing passivity. That's alarming to me.

You're afraid to escalate the situation.

Your answer is to remain passive. I bet you're those people who choose to film violence with your smartphone instead of reassuring the safety of another human being.

You can't control or affect what goes on prior or after, but you can help as it happens and possibly prevent more damage. You don't sit around waiting for more violence, a second push, a kick etc to happen before deciding its okay to say something. This happened in a public place.

If I (I'm a guy) was the one on the ground crying in pain, I would want someone - yes even a stranger - to offer help if only to let the aggressor know he stepped over the line. If nobody does anything, that's the same as acceptance. Acceptance of public violence. Call it "white knighting" to run up and help someone if you want to make it seem like the pathetic thing to do. I think it is the only human thing to do.

You had people around you who all did nothing to help you - how would that feel?

You all scare me. Are you mainly American or European? I want to understand your values. Is your own health your only concern? Do you feel qualified enough on a stranger's situation to judge whether or not to step in? This is a matter of instinct. This is a matter of right and wrong in the now, it is a heat of the moment call you're making. Violence is wrong. No matter the degree of severity. There should be an absolute no-tolerance for violence against men, women, children.

You're jumping to some extremely fucked up conclusions here buddy. Also lmao at asking if people are American or European. (because european is obviously one thing and not 700 million people spanning 35+ countries and about a billion different cultural groups)

Avatar image for davidh219
davidh219

904

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 1

Edited By davidh219

I wouldn't get involved in people's personal shit. I know it seems like you should, but I've heard and witnessed too many horror stories where a couple is arguing, they get a little physical, a stranger comes and tries to help the woman and the dude beats him the fuck up while the woman yells at him too and tells him that's what he gets for not minding his own business.

Unless someone is actually calling out for help or is obviously being physically victimized (and no, I don't think a heat of the moment shove to the ground followed by immediate regret and backing off counts) don't step in. It's not a time sensitive emergency situation yet and nobody has asked for your help. Call the cops, call security, but stay out of it unless you just really wanna act like Batman. If so, good on ya. I don't think anybody should feel bad for avoiding an unnecessary risk though.

Another thing I immediately thought when I read your story was that I've known women in abusive relationships and they sure as hell don't yell at their abuser in public, and they sure as hell don't chuck their abuser's sunglasses on the ground. For all you know this could be a one time thing for them. My guess is that it's probably less abuse and more just dysfunctional. Did you ask her why she was crying? For all you know it could be because their relationship is imploding, or because she cheated on him or he cheated on her, and have little to do with the shove itself and more what caused it and what it means for them. If I were in your place, the only thing I would've done differently is ask more questions because you were in a great position to do so since she broke off from him and came to you. Things like:

  • Has he hurt you like this before or was this an accident?
  • Do you feel like you're safe around him?
  • Do you need a cab or a place to stay?
  • Do you need to call anyone? Do you have a phone?
Avatar image for ripelivejam
ripelivejam

13572

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@cale: i'm dwayne "the rock" johnson

Avatar image for big_jon
big_jon

6536

Forum Posts

2539

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 18

@alexw00d said:
@funkydupe said:

I'm more concerned about the people answering in this thread advicing passivity. That's alarming to me.

You're afraid to escalate the situation.

Your answer is to remain passive. I bet you're those people who choose to film violence with your smartphone instead of reassuring the safety of another human being.

You can't control or affect what goes on prior or after, but you can help as it happens and possibly prevent more damage. You don't sit around waiting for more violence, a second push, a kick etc to happen before deciding its okay to say something. This happened in a public place.

If I (I'm a guy) was the one on the ground crying in pain, I would want someone - yes even a stranger - to offer help if only to let the aggressor know he stepped over the line. If nobody does anything, that's the same as acceptance. Acceptance of public violence. Call it "white knighting" to run up and help someone if you want to make it seem like the pathetic thing to do. I think it is the only human thing to do.

You had people around you who all did nothing to help you - how would that feel?

You all scare me. Are you mainly American or European? I want to understand your values. Is your own health your only concern? Do you feel qualified enough on a stranger's situation to judge whether or not to step in? This is a matter of instinct. This is a matter of right and wrong in the now, it is a heat of the moment call you're making. Violence is wrong. No matter the degree of severity. There should be an absolute no-tolerance for violence against men, women, children.

You're jumping to some extremely fucked up conclusions here buddy. Also lmao at asking if people are American or European. (because european is obviously one thing and not 700 million people spanning 35+ countries and about a billion different cultural groups)

Quite, living in a world where escalating a situation always seems like the right thing to do is not only short sighted, it's also dangerous for all involved. And these sweeping generalizations come off as sort of bigoted and extreme.

If someone is in clear need of help from physical violence I will intervene, however if the guy and his girlfriend are having a heated argument and he shoves her then walks away clearly regretting his action, what am I supposed to chase him down slap him in the face with a glove and challenge him to fisticuffs? Get fucking real.

Avatar image for viciousbearmauling
ViciousBearMauling

2094

Forum Posts

11

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

I mean... You could have done worse, but you could have done more too.

She came near you and you were able to talk. You could have asked if this was a normal thing. You could have offered to call a cab. A person's initial reflex to "Are you okay?" is almost always a "Yes" no matter the situation. I feel like a few more questions would have been the right choice.

Confronting the man could have ended poorly. I've definitely been in similar situations. Being raised the way I was, I've seen mistreatment of people and gotten into physical confrontations because of it. I soon realized that whenever that happened it usually just made things worse, so avoid that.

Don't beat yourself up, though. It's not on you to perfectly handle this type of stuff. It just shouldn't happen.

Avatar image for spitznock
Spitznock

1215

Forum Posts

126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Bad people exist, and they are all over the place. It's something I realized upon moving to a more urban area after growing up in a rural one.

Avatar image for duluoz
Duluoz

127

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Maybe I'm not a very good person but the way you describe it I would have done fuck all. If he was actively beating her (repeated strikes) I would call the police.

I'm in decent shape for my size but I'm still kind of a small dude. I'm not pushing my chips forward and getting stabbed because some dumbass couple can't control themselves in public.

Avatar image for sergio
sergio

3663

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 13

By your own account, it sounds like the guy regretted what he did, and they both walked away from each other, helping to defuse the situation. You confronting the guy would have only escalated things and would have been the wrong move. The most you could have done was contact security and ask if she was ok. You did the latter.

If it were a prolonged situation, then yes, you could have gotten more involved, but that wasn't the case here.

Avatar image for kiryu
Kiryu

38

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

It's best not to get involved in situations like this other than calling security/911. You can get in trouble for physically intervening. Don't risk your life/freedom by trying to be a hero.

Avatar image for expensiveham
expensiveham

394

Forum Posts

7275

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@lab392 said:
@expensiveham said:

They're both in the wrong and you should not have gotten involved.

But one person was clearly more wrong than the other.

Clearly? Based on what? the paragraph someone on the internet wrote about a situation he only saw part of? I think you're making a lot of assumptions based on your preconceptions.

Avatar image for amingo
Amingo

57

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I'd say you did the right thing. This instance really is a "not your business" one, so don't sweat about it, and on top of that, gauging from his immediate reaction, I kinda doubt he meant to push her with that amount of force and had any true intentions to hurt her at all. However, if he had taken it a step further, and let's say started punching her, then yes, you should have intervened because, as a rational morally inclined (you seem like one) human being, it is indeed your business to stop crap like that from happening. Well anyways, hopefully you enjoyed your game and this didn't bother you throughout it.