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I Went to a Hatsune Miku Concert: A Report From the Scene

Last night, I along with around a thousand or so other individuals gathered in downtown Dallas, TX to see Hatsune Miku, the universe's most popular virtual idol, and other Vocaloids perform live. Here is my detailed report:

Footage I recorded that definitely won't be pulled from YouTube:

What Is A Hatsune Miku Concert?

Here is your obligatory, standard issue Hatsune Miku picture.
Here is your obligatory, standard issue Hatsune Miku picture.

Since this is Giant Bomb Dot Com, a website about anime and wrestling, I don't think I actually need to talk about what this thing is, but I'll describe it briefly for the record, for those who haven't seen anything like this before. The two main components of the show are, 1) The Vocaloids, and 2) The band.

The singing is still from the synethic voice of the Vocaloids, which sounds identical to the original songs. Also, yes, there is a hologram in the middle of the stage that shows the digital idols singing and dancing. Because of this, I can imagine somebody thinking that attending a Hatsune Miku concert is the equivalent of watching a recording or movie. While that is true to an extent with the Vocaloids, the actual music is played by a live band. There is a real, flesh and blood guitarist, drummer, bassist, and keyboardist playing a vast majority of the songs people hear. By the way, it's actually kind of amazing that those four people have to cover all of those different styles of songs back to back. They don't have to pull off being a good J-Pop band; they have to work together as a good rock/pop/electronic/etc. band.

It's also worth mentioning that at the Miku Expo nobody is pretending that Hatsune Miku is a real thing. The concerts typically begin with a loading screen, the Vocaloids are digitized in and out of the stage, and the band members are clearly on stage next to her. You know the music is played by those specific musicians.

So, what is a Hatsune Miku concert? Well it's pretty much just like any other concert. There is a band playing music, they occasionally reference the city they are playing in, there is a section two-thirds through where the band members are introduced by doing a wicked cool solo, and there is even a fake encore I wish all bands and artists would stop doing forever. The only difference is there's a hologram in the middle of the stage and the singing was prearranged out of somebody's bedroom or studio with a program halfway across the world.

The Music

The full setlist:

  1. World Is Mine
  2. The Disappearance of Hatsune Miku [Shortened Version]
  3. Two-Faced Lovers
  4. Unhappy Refrain
  5. World's End Dancehall
  6. Magnet
  7. Weekend Girl
  8. Deep-Sea Girl
  9. Glass Wall
  10. Snowman
  11. Change Me
  12. Tokyo Teddy Bear
  13. Butterfly On Your Right Shoulder
  14. Remote Control
  15. Love Is War
  16. Last Night, Good Night
  17. Ten Thousand Stars
  18. Just Be Friends
  19. Secret Police
  20. The Intense Singing of Hatsune Miku
  21. Sekiranun Graffiti
  22. Tell Your World
  23. Blue Star
  24. Sharing The World
  25. Miku
  26. 39
  27. Star Fragment [Piano Version]

Out of the live concert albums I have listened to from the previous Miku Expos and the live Blu-Ray I own, I would say this is probably my favorite Hatsune Miku setlist I have seen. When I look back at the show as a whole, it is difficult to pick a specific highlight to summarize the experience. The main reason is because this show was just a hair under 2 hours and had a whooping 27 songs. While 27 songs almost sounds like too many, it's worth mentioning that a majority of songs are about 3 to 4 minutes long. This makes the Miku Expo both one of the longest concert setlists and one of the fastest moving shows I have experienced.

What also makes it hard to pick that one moment to summarize the show is in between everything you have the more typical J-Pop songs with fun and silly dances, to more rock oriented songs, to slow ballads, to dubstep. While I don't have a favorite moment of the night, here are a few noteworthy songs I will mention:

  • World's End Dancehall: This is pretty much the song that got me into Hatsune Miku. It was the song I played during the PS3 demo of Project Diva f that made me think, "Huh...maybe there's something to this thing." Seeing this song live with both Miku and Luka on stage was kind of important for me on a personal level, in addition to the fact this is one of my favorite Hatsune Miku songs.
  • Ten Thousand Stars and Blue Star: While I do really enjoy these songs, I wanted to highlight these in particular, because they were the main songs selected for the Miku Expo this year, like "Sharing The World" (that David Letterman song) was the theme for a previous Expo. My main takeaway from Hatsune Miku and the other Vocaloids--more so than all of the art, YouTube videos, and even videogames--is how I view them as a platform for other people to create interesting music. The person who wrote "Ten Thousand Stars", as an example, isn't a big and famous Vocaloid creator. He's just a normal dude who won a contest. He went from being a fan to having his song being performed by the real thing. It's an incredibly specific experience you won't really get unless you pay attention to the fact that all of these songs are created by individual contributors, but it is still awesome to see.
  • The Intense Singing of Hatsune Miku: Even though I wouldn't put "The Intense Singing of Hatsune Miku" on a list of my Top 10 favorite Hatsune Miku songs, the second half of this song was the coolest thing I saw during the show. Basically when the Miku starts spitting hot fire, she sprouts huge angelic wings just as pillars of fog shoot out from the venue. At that moment, when I heard the music, saw what was happening on stage and how the lights lit up the room, to seeing everybody else around me freak out over the exact same thing was a jaw dropping experience.

The Miku Expo trailer at the end of the line, that has wrapped around the entire city block.
The Miku Expo trailer at the end of the line, that has wrapped around the entire city block.

There are plenty of songs that I like that were not played during this show, including, but not limited to, "Sweet Devil", "2D Fever Dream", and "ODDS&ENDS". Personally I'm not lamenting any of this. The setlist had really well done peaks and valleys, had fewer songs I did not care for compared to other setlists, and most of the songs I either loved, really liked, or was at least familiar with. While I have enjoyed all of the Miku Expo sets I have listened to in the past, there was always a time where another Vocaloid would come out and play a song I didn't care for, or they would play a song that would slow down the momentum too much. That and I'm also conscious about the fact that putting a setlist like this together must be incredibly difficult. For what Hatsune Miku is, building up a proper setlist is strangely a more difficult task than a band like Metallica would have, since all they would have to do is go out and play the hits. With Miku, you would have to factor in the different genres of music, balance it out between long and short songs, include songs from different Vocaloids, and have to choose between songs with radically different tones. So even though this was not the "perfect" Hatsune Miku setlist, it is practically impossible to do so and the list of songs they put together was really satisfying for me anyways.

So far I have almost been talking exclusively about Hatsune Miku. However, there were actually five other Vocaloids performing. The rest of the gang you may have seen from the Project Diva games, MEIKO, KAITO, Kagamine Rin, Kagamine Len, and Megurine Luka, were also there. However, the other Vocaloids did feel like the B team. KAITO and MEIKO, for example, only had one song each and they performed back to back. So while they were in attendance, the timing and the amount of stage time those two had felt like they were included more out of obligation and were then discarded. On the other hand, Len, Ren, and Luka appeared more frequently and appeared more throughout the show

For the record, I was mainly there to rock out to Hatsune Miku songs. I do really like a handful of Luka songs and enjoy random songs from the other Vocaloids, but if you were to ask me to go to a KAITO solo concert, I would say, "No, thank you, sir/madam". I still think that if all six Vocaloids are going to be billed and marketed together in some way, you should probably have more than one song from each of them. Especially when you consider there are other people who are huge KAITO fans, who might feel burned that he only appeared on stage for 3 minutes out of a 2 hour show. That said, MEIKO's one song, "Change Me", kind of sold me on her. Even with playing the more recent Hatsune Miku games and consuming random Vocaloid content over the past few years, I never really cared for her. Listening to "Change Me" at the show was the best song I've heard from her and it felt like I instantly turned a corner on her.

The Production

Giving everybody glow sticks is both the smart and correct move.
Giving everybody glow sticks is both the smart and correct move.

I should probably get right to it. So how was the hologram? Well, it was really impressive. The Miku Expo has actually come a long way over the past few years. If you search for Hatsune Miku concerts 5 or so years ago, there is a noticeable drop in quality from the models to the animation. I'm not 100% certain on this, but I think there were other issues where there could only be one Vocaloid on the screen at one time, which impacted some of the duets they could do.

If I had to pick one word to describe the holograms, it would be, "Smooth". There is a fluid movement between the effects, the animation, and the speed of everything. Nothing about it looks framey. While all of this is for a digital idol that everybody knows isn't real, presenting this in a believable way really sold the experience.

The other noteworthy thing from a production standpoint was the show's use of lights. Some of this is something you would really need to see for yourself to appreciate, but the show's use of lighting, strobe lights, and color, along with the occasional effects with the fog and the confetti at the end, helped intensify the energy from the band and the Vocaloids themselves. All of this also helped recreate some of the look and feel of some of the music videos for the original songs.

Also, they handed out glow sticks, because of course you would hand out glow sticks at a show like this. Some people even had specialty glow sticks that changed depending on who was performing. Everybody in the crowd having at least one glow stick was one of those perfect and appropriate details for a show like this.

Conclusion

Overall, I had a lot of fun at the Miku Expo and absolutely recommend going if you are a fan of Hatsune Miku. Over the years I've seen everything from death metal, K-Pop, rap, post-rock, indie rock, and classic rock, but nothing quite like this. This was the first Vocaloid, J-Pop, and (technically) dubstep concert I've attended, so I can go ahead and mark those off my bucket list. In addition to the novelty factor, this show was a really fun time that I never thought I would actually experience. When I was on vacation last year visiting Japan for the first time, I opened a random email that said Hatsune Miku was coming to my town and I metaphorically lost my shit. That night I set my alarm around 3:00 AM Tokyo time to wake myself up to buy a ticket for when they went on sale in the United States. Even during the show itself, I would randomly think, "I still can't believe this is happening".

Beyond that, there's really nothing else like Hatsune Miku and its fans. The audience ranged from kids, people in their twenties, to people in their fifties. It included people who cosplayed, to people decked out in random Vocaloid clothing and accessories, to more typical geeks and otakus, and a bunch of other people who you wouldn't immediately picture as being Miku fans (Hell, the last concert I went to was an Amon Amarth show). In the videogaming and music cultures, you may occasionally hear about how big Vocaloids are, whether its seeing articles about how Hatsune Miku is going to take over the world or seeing random things like that one Domino's Pizza ad explode. But it's another thing to see a thousand odd people all gathered around for the same (kinda weird) thing.

After seeing some bands or artists, I can say to myself, "I don't need to see X again". Even if it would be fun to go to another one of their shows, I have this feeling where I got what I needed to get out of it. And then there are other times where I will make an effort to see a band as many times as I can. If they come to my hometown more than once, I will gladly pay to go there again. Right now, I feel like I will see Hatsune Miku whenever I can. It seems highly unlikely she will come back to Texas anytime soon, so I'm not sure if that would mean I will have to fly somewhere to do so. Whatever the case may be, being in that moment in time, with those people, to listen to that music is something I would gladly do again.

Other Random Observations

  • If you are going to go to one of these shows, get there really early. The Vocaloid community may be a niche group of people, but when they do all gather together, they swarm. I was there over an hour early and was met with crazy long lines for both the venue itself and the merch. At the bare minimum, you should be there at least an hour early.
  • I saw a PlayStation Vita at the show. I've owned a Vita for almost 4 years now, and I have never seen one owned by anybody else. This includes day to day living, travelling, and going to Japan itself. Granted, I've never been to PAX or an anime convention, which feels like a more likely place one would find somebody with a Vita, but after going for so long without seeing one, it was kind of shocking. I literally did a double take. I'm not sure what's more surprising: the fact I saw a Vita out there in the wild, or somebody seemingly using it as a camera.
  • I meet somebody who likes Giant Bomb! Again this would be less noteworthy if I went to a PAX or something, but this was still neat. For the show, I ended up wearing my luchadeer shirt to the concert, primarily because I didn't own a t-shirt that was analogous to Miku, but also as a way to see if I could bump into any other Duders/Dudettes. The Giant Bomb t-shirt got three reactions during the evening. 1) When I was standing in the merch line, somebody walked by quickly and yelled "I like your shirt", but he kept walking and I had no idea if he was talking to me or somebody else. 2) A guy standing in the merch line said "Mysterio" to me a couple of times, and I had no idea what he was talking about, and he dropped it. 3) At the end of the show, somebody talked to me for a few seconds to ask if I was going to upload the footage I recorded somewhere. As we were wrapping up, she said, "I thought I would ask since you seemed like you had a better view and, also, I like Giant Bomb."
When given the opportunity, I will use this picture whenever I can.
When given the opportunity, I will use this picture whenever I can.

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Hey there fellow Dallas duder, great write up! I too was there, with my girlfriend, and admittedly it was largely out of academic curiosity for the both of us (more so for me and she just wanted/needed to see it for herself :-) ).

My takeaways were that I was surprised at how crowded it was by the time we arrived (and yes, it was definitely sold out), that giving everyone a glow stick was indeed an awesome and correct move as you said, and that for even as far back as we stood, it was strangely compelling to watch a hologram of a vocaloid up there, especially when you consider how that technology may grow to permeate mainstream music in the future.

Anyway, I was really glad we went, and ya know, if I get the opportunity, I'd definitely go again.

Thanks again for your recap!

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@mrhaydel: Thanks! And yeah, I agree the lines were crazy. I expected a lot of people to buy merch and line up early, but that was insane. When I got there a little over an hour early, the line for the venue went down the street, turned two corners, wrapped around behind the rear exit of the venue, and then curved through the parking lot. For the merch tables, it was the same sort of thing. The line kept wrapping around the bar that was towards the back of the first floor.

Glad to hear you two had a good time at the show! This is definitely one of those things where you wonder how it will click with people who are not super familiar with Vocaloids.

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Though I'm aware this post is largely positive about Hatsune Miku--which is perfectly fine--this video will always be relevant.

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I enjoyed the blog by the way. Nice to hear some honest thoughts about it that neither vilifies nor worships this neon-haired virtual girl we know and love(?).

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There was a Hastune Miku concert in the US.

That people attended.

Globalization is getting weird you guys.

Anyway, nice write-up. I'd be a liar if I said that I never got into some songs sung by a Vocaloid.

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I didn't realize the music was done live; I take back some of my negative preconceptions.

Was there an abundance of Naked Cartoon Pussy?

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It does seem like this is a massive undertaking and i do admire them for that even if this isn't my cup of tea.

But when the hell are we finally getting our Sharon Apple concerts?

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@mlarrabee: Naked Cartoon Pussy...Oh boy. That's a new Giant Bomb reference before my time. It's almost a good thing we are now known as that wrestling site.

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The music is definitely not something I'm into, but it's cool that this exists for people who like it. You've done a good job breaking it down for someone like me who has very superficial knowledge about this stuff.

Knowing that there's some flesh and blood musicians on the stage helps this seem way less crazy. If people were just cheering on a lifeless hologram as someone behind the scenes hits play on an audio player I'd lose another piece of what's left of my hope for humanity.

Also, whenever I see these sorts of holograms I kind of don't believe they're real. Like, this is some kind of crazy future tech that we shouldn't have access to yet.

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So... Are the "holograms" 3D? I have a hard time wrapping my head around what a real "hologram" is in this context. Video of the concert actually looks great though.

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@bollard said:

So... Are the "holograms" 3D? I have a hard time wrapping my head around what a real "hologram" is in this context. Video of the concert actually looks great though.

So the holograms do have depth to an extent. There are a couple of times where there are two Vocaloids on stage together and one would walk behind the other. When stuff like that happens, it feels like one is in front of the other (it's actually kind of neat when you see it).

If you were up close, I'm not sure how "3D" it would look though. Like if you can tell everything is happening on a plane, or if you can see the foreground/background stuff like you can if you are over 20 feet away.

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Oh man I've always wanted to go to one of those. It looks like it was awesome!

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This is a great write-up. I'd actually love to go to a vocaloid concert - the whole setup is super interesting to me. I really liked seeing the way Gorillaz performed live (generally they had a screen with the animated band on it but you could often see shadows of the actual people behind the voices through that screen) and in many ways these concerts are that taken to the next logical step. Technology is rad.

Also, holy shit do they turn on the fog machine during The Intense Singing. That's some wild stuff right there.

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@bollard said:

So... Are the "holograms" 3D? I have a hard time wrapping my head around what a real "hologram" is in this context. Video of the concert actually looks great though.

So the holograms do have depth to an extent. There are a couple of times where there are two Vocaloids on stage together and one would walk behind the other. When stuff like that happens, it feels like one is in front of the other (it's actually kind of neat when you see it).

If you were up close, I'm not sure how "3D" it would look though. Like if you can tell everything is happening on a plane, or if you can see the foreground/background stuff like you can if you are over 20 feet away.

Interesting, I kinda want to see it for myself now. Thanks!

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@clagnaught: Never been a fan of vocaloids (not judging - I have my own weird musical tastes!), but this kinda makes me wish I did - it looks like a fun show. "The concerts typically begin with a loading screen" is perfect, and the Intense Fog Machine of Hatsune Miku is just nuts.

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I'm guessing this was your reaction after the concert.

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@live2brighteous: I'm not sure what's weirder - that they thought that shot was a good idea, or that they made a blooper reel with a vocaloid (which has burnt anatato konbini famiri maato into my brain, so mission accomplished I guess :/ )

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Edit: Man, there's a LOT of weird Hatsune Miku stuff on YouTube. 7Eleven FamilyMart parody, this which is cool on a technical level (AR with Oculus and head-mounted Kinect) but mildly creepy, and this which is actually kinda cool:

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@stordoff: That whole blooper reel was insane. It's hard for me to even fathom this entirely.

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@stordoff: That whole blooper reel was insane. It's hard for me to even fathom this entirely.

At some point I'm going to finish writing about my trip to Japan, but for now one night I was watching TV. Back to back they showed an ad for the Persona 3 theatrical production's Blu-Ray and then another ad for a Hatsune Miku concert Blu-Ray. Japanese TV in its existence is such a baffling and beautiful thing.

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Great writeup. And thanks for the 60fps video!

Where do the other vocaloid characters come from? You cut those parts out of the video. Do they just materialize? Walk in from the side of the scrim?

Can I ask approximately how much it cost? Everyone there knows Hatsune Miku isn't real, but does that mean the tickets are cheaper since you aren't really taking up "star time"? I mean there could be 4 concurrent Miku concerts around the world. Or does all the overhead and the presence of actual musicians mean there's no discount for seeing a vocaloid perform?

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@dudeglove: Yeah, when i heard the rise of Hatsune Miku, this was my reaction as well.

As long as the music holds up, having some fun with the visuals and even creating fake characters for your band is totally fine.

Personally i'm not a fan of the vocaloids, but i have no problems with the presentation side of Miku.

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Great writeup. And thanks for the 60fps video!

Where do the other vocaloid characters come from? You cut those parts out of the video. Do they just materialize? Walk in from the side of the scrim?

Can I ask approximately how much it cost? Everyone there knows Hatsune Miku isn't real, but does that mean the tickets are cheaper since you aren't really taking up "star time"? I mean there could be 4 concurrent Miku concerts around the world. Or does all the overhead and the presence of actual musicians mean there's no discount for seeing a vocaloid perform?

So the Vocaloids come and go throughout the show. Even if Miku was going to play like 4 songs in a row, she would fade out and fade back in, or would turn into digital particles and dissolve away only to come back for another song. (4:30, 10:30, and 13:00 are examples of transitions. They had several different methods, but they are all basically that) Occasionally they would have Miku freeze a pose and go from one song to another. One of the reasons why they usually had those transitions is so they can do costume changes. Like some songs have particular outfits, like The Intense Singing of Hatsune Miku at 26:00.

Towards the end, there was one time where Miku jumped off the side of the stage (or rather the edge of the hologram) and jumped back on about 10 seconds later, but those types of acts were pretty rare.

The ticket was $33, so with taxes and the convenience charge, it was $47. There was a super special VIP package that was around $100 to $150. If I knew how intense the line situation was, I might have bought that ticket instead. (I know it literally triples the cost, but at the same time, how often am I going to see her?) The merchandise was pretty much on par with other pop shows I've been to. Overall, nothing in particular was crazy expensive, and it was about what you would expect from a General Admission venue like this.

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I also went to the Miku Expo concert in Dallas!

I was wearing my "Dean Ambrose x Hatsune Miku" cosplay, complete with custom "Vocaloid World Heavyweight Championship."

Modeled after this dumb video I made, which Alex actually used for a Powerbombcast thumbnail once!
Modeled after this dumb video I made, which Alex actually used for a Powerbombcast thumbnail once!

I also went to the "Let's Draw" event that they held at a local Barnes & Noble. They gave away a free pin and stickers in exchange for contributing to an animated music video. They would hand you a drawing of Miku and you could do whatever you wanted to it. Each drawing had Miku at a different angle, and presumably each drawing will be a frame of animation for the video. I, of course, had to draw something wrestling related.

Miku is PHENOMENAL
Miku is PHENOMENAL

Other fun tidbits about the concert/tour:

Each city of the tour gets an exclusive poster that you can buy. Unfortunately, they pulled sale of the Dallas poster at the last minute when it was discovered that the artist of the poster had plagiarized an existing fan art. Vocaloid fans are apparently very vigilant about this sort of thing (considering the whole Vocaloid phenomenon revolving around fan works, it's not surprising), and people notice immediately once the poster design was revealed on Twitter. Bummer all around.

The special light sticks that changed colors were available for pre-order in a crowdfunding campaign for the American Miku Expo tour. They apparently only made enough to fulfill pre-orders and sold out of the extra stock during the first couple of stops of the tour. Surprisingly, NO ONE has sold their special Miku light sticks on eBay, yet much to my disappointment (I really wanted them, but missed out on the pre-orders because I thought I'd be able to pick them up at the concert and avoid paying for shipping).

I had general admission tickets, and bought them pretty much as soon as they went on sale. So far, the Dallas show is the only concert that has sold out (though they had released a few more tickets the day before the show started). I dunno if that's because the venue is smaller, or if the Dallas Vocaloid community is huge. VIP tickets sold out soon after going on sale, and I sort of wish I had gotten them. I had an okay view in the standing area, but I somehow slowly began to get pushed away from my group as the concert went on. One of my friends (who I had only met a day before the concert) actually got elbowed in the face during the concert, and had to leave because he started bleeding profusely. They wouldn't let him back into the venue after he left either :( ...Though he has a blood-soaked Miku t-shirt now, which is kinda hardcore.

My view would become occasionally obstructed whenever people took out their phones to record the concert. I missed out on the entire Vocaloid cast intro, and could only barely make it out by staring at someone's phone screen. That was kind of annoying. When I COULD actually get a good view of Miku, man, it was freakin' amazing. Some songs were better choreographed than others, but she was so well-animated for the most part, and whenever it was dark, and you couldn't see the glass screen she was being projected on, it almost felt like she was actually there...

I wasn't really into Vocaloid or Miku prior to the announcement of this tour, either. I was only vaguely aware of her, thanks to stuff like that Dominos App and some of my friends were Vocaloid fans. I only started actually looking into the culture and listening to the music as research for this concert. I'm really impressed with how creative Vocaloid fans are. It's really like the next level of fan art. You can write a song about Miku killing cops or something, it blows up online, people start drawing fan art, someone makes a video of it, and suddenly Sega puts it in a Project Diva game, and then a Miku hologram is singing about killing cops all over the world. (Seriously though, the subject matter of some Vocaloid songs is freakin' weird. At this concert, Miku was literally telling us that she's from the government and your friends and family are all out to get you.)

Yeah, so, it was a very fun experience, and I hope Miku comes back to Dallas again soon!

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I'm just surprised these concerts have made it outside of Japan.

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(So since I wrote this, one of my tweets that linked to this blog post was retweeted by the official Miku Expo account and @drewbert mentioned my blog on the Bombcast. Both were cool/surreal)

@seroth: Of course you were a Giant Bomb fan!! I saw a few random pictures on twitter of the Vocaloid belt you had and the wrestling themed drawing from the Draw Miku event. (I almost went to that myself, but ended up not going) I almost tweeted at one of the pictures to say, "I can never escape wrestling". It is only appropriate that Giant Bomb's wrestling community would intersect Hatsune Miku eventually.

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One night when I was in Japan walking through Tokyo there was one of her concerts playing on a giant screen on the side of a building. Across the street on a corner were at least 20 people watching and waving light sticks. They were not even at the concert they were watching but still these people gathered upnto watch her. It is crazy how big she is.

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How long until a Eurovision contestant is a vocaloid?

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@clagnaught said:

  • I meet somebody who likes Giant Bomb! ... 3) At the end of the show, somebody talked to me for a few seconds to ask if I was going to upload the footage I recorded somewhere. As we were wrapping up, she said, "I thought I would ask since you seemed like you had a better view and, also, I like Giant Bomb."

This was me! Sorry that I probably bumped into you a few times while jumping around. I thought it would take you a while to upload the footage and then I heard this post mentioned on the Bombcast. Thanks for letting me bug you after theshow, this footage is great.

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This was a cool thing to read! I also live in Dallas and my girlfriend was at this show. I haven't been to The Bomb Factory in the time that it's been open, but she told me the place was sizable. It looked like a big show from the pictures and video she took.

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I have absolutely zero interest in anything you just talked about, but you talked about it very well and entertainingly. Well done.

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This blog post makes me want to go to a Miku concert. Sounds like it would be a fun time.

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@clagnaught said:

  • I meet somebody who likes Giant Bomb! ... 3) At the end of the show, somebody talked to me for a few seconds to ask if I was going to upload the footage I recorded somewhere. As we were wrapping up, she said, "I thought I would ask since you seemed like you had a better view and, also, I like Giant Bomb."

This was me! Sorry that I probably bumped into you a few times while jumping around. I thought it would take you a while to upload the footage and then I heard this post mentioned on the Bombcast. Thanks for letting me bug you after theshow, this footage is great.

Hello there!! Hope you had a great time at the show.

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Okay, someone answer this for the people like me who haven't gotten to the future yet: holograms. How do they work? Like, you say a hologram in the middle of the stage. What does that mean, exactly? Is there a screen? Some sort of projection going on? Describe what a hologram in 2016 is. Please.

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Did they show it?

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@beforet: There is a screen in the middle of the stage. To the best of my knowledge, there are 2 to 3 projectors behind the screen, that hit this screen that displays the image of the Vocaloids. So it's both. They are projected, but they don't materialize out of thin air; they are confined to the screen.

Where I was, you sometimes didn't even notice the screen and I couldn't see the actual projectors. There are rips of some concert DVDs/Blu-Rays on YouTube that have close ups of the Vocaloids, which makes it easier to see what the hologram actually is.

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Just got back from the Chicago show. Kind of blown away, honestly. I figured I'd enjoy it, I finally tried a couple of the games after searching for new rhythm games to play and found I enjoyed a good deal of the music, but it's really something else live.

We live in a crazy cyberpunk world. Edit: One more.

(Also, Anamanaguchi!)

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@beforet: There is a screen in the middle of the stage. To the best of my knowledge, there are 2 to 3 projectors behind the screen, that hit this screen that displays the image of the Vocaloids. So it's both. They are projected, but they don't materialize out of thin air; they are confined to the screen.

Where I was, you sometimes didn't even notice the screen and I couldn't see the actual projectors. There are rips of some concert DVDs/Blu-Rays on YouTube that have close ups of the Vocaloids, which makes it easier to see what the hologram actually is.

Yeah, these are not "holograms" in the standard (?) sense of a holographic projection of a 3D object. Though I think technically what you're seeing is a hologram of a 2D image (the hologram part is what makes it look like it is standing in free space; this illusion is created by the transparent screen that contains a bunch of lenses which bend the light to make it appear like it originated from a virtual surface).

A basic acid test would be that if you looked at the stage from an angle, you would *not* see a different angle on the vocaloid, but just a slightly skewed view of the 2D plane. IDK if they just limit the audience angles, or use multiple screens to cover different sections of the audience. In the extreme case if you were to observe from the side of the stage, you wouldn't see anything at all.

To the eye, the vocaloid still looks 3D because of shading cues. When looking at a performer on a stage, you're far enough away that stereoscopic vision & depth of field cues do not really contribute much to the perception of depth, so even though this type of hologram fails to accurately create those, it's still quite convincing (moreso since vocaloid is CG, and the shading cues are easily manipulated).

The famous "Tupac hologram" was using an even simpler method called Pepper's Ghost (IIRC). I think the downsides of this approach are mainly related to the bulkiness of the setup, limitations on where the virtual image plane could appear, and probably also some more obvious "tells". But the way it tricks the viewer into thinking they're seeing a 3D object is basically the same.

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The real question is, when will the Hatsune Miku hologram go on tour with the Tupac hologram? Tell me about the Killuminati Hatsune Miku!

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Front page material here far as I'm concerned. A great and informative write up!

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@quantris:True, it is not a "hologram" in the sense there's a being of pure light walking around your spaceship or Tony Stark's lab. In terms of what it actually is, what other people call it, and a lack of a better word, the Vocaloids are basically holograms. In terms of the concert, I don't think there were any issues with the viewing angles. The screen is a few feet back on a stage, so it may be 15 feet away from the closest person in the crowd. I imagine the illusion would break in two ways.

  1. When you are only a couple of feet away. (Lack of depth, possibly seeing your reflection, or just knowing a 2D plane is right in front of you)
  2. If you were to stand on either side of the screen and then turn your head to look at it. (Sort of the same stuff, but perhaps more focused on the lack of depth)

That said, I think the technology is still really cool. With both of those limitations, I don't think that is much of an issue since this is designed to be played during a concert, so you wouldn't have people super close or at extreme angles anyways. It isn't technically a hologram and has it's obvious limitations, but it is effective for what they have set out to do.

While these concerts have ranged in terms of production value and scale, this is an example of a bigger show. With the size of the stage and venue, I doubt anybody was too close or at an angle that broke the illusion.

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@clagnaught said:

That said, I think the technology is still really cool. With both of those limitations, I don't think that is much of an issue since this is designed to be played during a concert, so you wouldn't have people super close or at extreme angles anyways. It isn't technically a hologram and has it's obvious limitations, but it is effective for what they have set out to do.

Oh yeah, for sure! Just the response to the less sophisticated Tupac one proves that these are effective and a really cool addition to a stage show.

The point of explaining why it's not exactly a hologram is to make things less confusing for those who may know something about what a hologram means in a scientific sense, and are wondering if this really is one or not. It is totally possible to create a hologram of a 3D object but AFAIK you have to use coherent light (lasers) and I don't think anyone's figured out a way to do this at scale (and/or with high viewable angles); though maybe someone can correct me on that point. Not to mention usually the image isn't in real color (though I found this link which is interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/03/korean-researchers-3d-color-hologram/). Personally when I first heard about stage show holograms I got pretty excited thinking there was some sudden advancement in holography, before seeing it and realizing it wasn't what I thought (but still a great looking effect!).

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I hope someday Patrick makes Dan go to one of these and write a book report about it.