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I hope Vinny is enjoying the Broken Earth books those are great
This must take place in the Minnesota region of Arizona, judging by the accents
@sneakingmission: I was gonna post this but I checked first and someone already had, and it was Sneaky! Thank you for your service
I'm just gonna reply to a few parts here.
Do you not find a contradiction in finding something morally reprehensible, but not begrudging the people who don't have a problem with it? Wouldn't that make those people morally deficient in some way, or even implicit in the continuation of attitudes that allow such behaviour? In this example, people who are OK with slavery in this game must be bad people.
I don't tend to be a moral absolutist, but there is more to that here. In many cases, people are not aware of something others see as problematic, even though they might agree. But most importantly, I don't intend to pass judgement on other players, I just was raising the issue and saying that for me, I don't want to engage with that. I don't think engaging with the game and systems is an endorsement of slavery, the same way I don't think playing a game in which you murder people and steal cars means you think its good to do that.
I'm curious why you find robbing sentient beings of their free will a step too far, and whether there are other immoral acts in games that you won't engage with.
This goes back to the above. It is something I find distasteful and do not want to engage with. Part of that is the context. The game doesn't offer any critique, just presents it as a power fantasy. There could be a game that contextualizes the same mechanic differently that i'd be fine with. I don't have a fine line that is a set of mechanics or ideas I find distasteful, its always about context.
@snowypliskin: That is actually addressed in the article I linked. That argument can be made about Tolkien's orcs, but not really about the orcs in the game.
Everyone in the comments is talking about the lootboxes, which seem lame for sure, but imo a much better reason not to buy this game is that orc slavery is still a central game mechanic and that's gross. I don't want to support or engage with that.
Sounds like Austin Walker is your guy.
Personally, I believe the moral implications of mind control are related to, but not the same as, our real life concept of slavery. See the philosophical proposition of a 'cure for evil'.
Yep! I was actually going to link to a piece he wrote on paste https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/10/real-human-beings-shadow-of-mordor-watch-dogs-and.html (skip to the "slavery" subhead if you just want the part relevant to this)
That's a pretty good piece and addresses more than just the slavery aspect that I was referring to, and goes into why it is an issue with orcs, esp Tolkien orcs (Tolkien's orcs are representative of groups of people, working class and people of color). I don't begrudge anyone the chance to enjoy the game but I find it pretty icky and distasteful. I wanted to bring it up so people would at least be aware of the potential issue though, because I think its a real one that is mostly ignored or not thought about.
I think the reason things went so poorly (other than not knowing that throwing the grenade would have def killed them) is that SOMEONE went and got their only heavy killed and put the sniper out of action, so the squad was mostly rookies.
I was all set to get started before I realized that as far as I cant tell most versions of the movie that I have access to (Including the one that I own) are not the theatrical cut. I might still try and see how different it is? but the version they watched seems like the most difficult one to get ahold of
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