Hear what the criminal in this video says about stronger gun laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"AgentJ said:

"What about the other stats, like the one about how suicide attempts with guns are almost always fatal unlike other methods? This returns to what I was saying earlier about how guns are more dangerous than other forms of suicide. People don't jump from high enough, and then get help for their depression. People stab themselves, and are either saved or save themselves, and get help for their depression. With a gun, its usually pointed at their brain, so theres little chance of failing, which means less chance of getting help."

You make that sound like a bad thing. Last time I checked, efficiency is a good thing. "

The statement above in no way made me sick or disgusted in any shape or form."

Wow i guess i'll never understand the American way of life. Guns as b-day presents ... :|

Hmm im confused...I don't remember changing or geting rid of the 2nd ammendment in obamas campaign promises...maybe i missed it since i would think changing the very constitution of the united states would be much more talked about.

P.S: how does you owning a gun here, and then wanting to go to africa where you can get a gun of the type you need to hunt and go hunting affected? as for that you shouldn't go to africa to hunt those poor animals have been hunted enough.

More polotics ... *sigh* . This site is about video games isn't it ?

"More polotics ... *sigh* . This site is about video games isn't it ?"

The fact that anybody can have a gun in the us, even those with criminal records, is fucking retarded

You have to be American to see any kind of sense or reason in this thread, right?

"The fact that anybody can have a gun in the us, even those with criminal records, is fucking retarded"

"More polotics ... *sigh* . This site is about video games isn't it ?"

Guns as a right is idiotic. A father buying his son one as a birthday present for no reason other than to have one only illustrates that.

But if I did live in the US, I might have to think about getting a gun to defend myself against everyone else with one. Oh how fantastic!

"AgentJ said:

Please show me a quote from Obama saying that Barack wants to ban assault weapons. They probably SHOULD be banned, but they wont because they are protected under the constitution."

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? "

An armed society is a polite society......now rip apart my statement liberals I really don't care

"An armed society is a polite society......now rip apart my statement liberals I really don't care"

"Snipzor said:

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? "

Hate to say it, but you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. :/Either you don't know what the 2nd amendment actually says, or you don't know how the constitution applies in US law. The 2nd amendment itself is infamously vague and open for interpretation, but no one is suggesting that only antiquated weapons are protected. "

"Guns are the causes of wars, murders, and animal extinction. I wouldn't mind guns being used for self defense or hunting, but GAME?! You're going to destroy deer, bear, or other species if you do that, man! Sorry for sounding like a green-loving fagget, but it's the damn truth. Game isn't good.Just hunt animals for food instead. It's natural and follows the food chain. Doing game is murder."

"You have to be American to see any kind of sense or reason in this thread, right?"

Holy shit I never expected this thread to get this popular. I went through and read all the posts, and I just want to clarify a few things. We're not "buying them just to have them". We use them for hunting and target shooting. 

"Guns are the causes of wars, murders, and animal extinction."

I really don't understand the point of owning a gun and I don't understand why it is such an issue in this country. If no one has a gun then no one needs a gun to protect themselves. 

"I really don't understand the point of owning a gun and I don't understand why it is such an issue in this country. If no one has a gun then no one needs a gun to protect themselves. "

"Bellum said:

"Snipzor said:

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? "

Hate to say it, but you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. :/Either you don't know what the 2nd amendment actually says, or you don't know how the constitution applies in US law. The 2nd amendment itself is infamously vague and open for interpretation, but no one is suggesting that only antiquated weapons are protected. "

Read the underlined bit."

There's a great line from Homer, and make of it what you will: The sword itself incites to violence.

Countries with control on gun sales have  lower crime-rates per-capita, especially violent crime.

"There's a great line from Homer, and make of it what you will: The sword itself incites to violence."

It's statistically proven that places with more relaxed gun laws have less gun crime.

I don't feel like fishing out any sources but I'll give you the jist of why:

More gun laws promotes more smuggling of illegal guns, which means that people who would normally not be able to get guns can easily get guns.  You have to find the nice balance between relaxed enough gun laws where you can weed out the crazies but not promote such a huge amount of smuggling that everyone can get them.

"Snipzor said:

"Bellum said:

"Snipzor said:

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? "

Hate to say it, but you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. :/Either you don't know what the 2nd amendment actually says, or you don't know how the constitution applies in US law. The 2nd amendment itself is infamously vague and open for interpretation, but no one is suggesting that only antiquated weapons are protected. "

Read the underlined bit."

Nothing about the actual text from the second amendment suggests anything of the sort. You could argue a lot of things from both extremes. You could say that the amendment only protects the rights of states to form militias, you could say that any type of arm is protected and acts used to regulate these arms are unconstitutional. Nothing in the amendment hints at what your talking about. "

Gunner, I think you quoted the wrong person there.

"Bellum said:

"Snipzor said:

"Bellum said:

"Snipzor said:

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? "

Hate to say it, but you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. :/Either you don't know what the 2nd amendment actually says, or you don't know how the constitution applies in US law. The 2nd amendment itself is infamously vague and open for interpretation, but no one is suggesting that only antiquated weapons are protected. "

Read the underlined bit."

Nothing about the actual text from the second amendment suggests anything of the sort. You could argue a lot of things from both extremes. You could say that the amendment only protects the rights of states to form militias, you could say that any type of arm is protected and acts used to regulate these arms are unconstitutional. Nothing in the amendment hints at what your talking about. "

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."You reading a different constitution? "

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Also, what MB said. :/

*facepalm*

So taxing and tightening restrictions on something = selling and promoting it?

Then why hasn't Steam doubled the prices on all of their games and restricted the install limit to 2? They'd have huge sales.

It's simply the nature of rednecks who carry guns all of the time.

"*facepalm*

So taxing and tightening restrictions on something = selling and promoting it?

Then why hasn't Steam doubled the prices on all of their games and restricted the install limit to 2? They'd have huge sales. It's simply the nature of rednecks who carry guns all of the time. "

"Geno said:

"*facepalm*

So taxing and tightening restrictions on something = selling and promoting it?

Then why hasn't Steam doubled the prices on all of their games and restricted the install limit to 2? They'd have huge sales. It's simply the nature of rednecks who carry guns all of the time. "

You aren't making any sense...are you replying to a particular post?"

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"I just laugh that American's have to go rushing out buying a bunch of games. It really is quite sad how much of a game nation it is. It's really unnecessary even if most American's can't agree with that. Maybe there should be more regulation if you really feel you need more than one game per person. It's not a necessity anymore since it is very unlikely that anyone relies on game for survival. "

Ugh, don't bump political threads with nothing to add...

"The 1st Amendment is old and outdated. If you just look at this from a loose constructionist perspective (the way the Founding Fathers hoped), you would realize this. The Chinese are getting by just fine with 'so few' outspoken activists. Seriously, the right to speech should not be protected by 'natural law.'People wouldn't have to worry about thinking and politics in the first place if there were a smaller disparity between the rich and the poor in this country. It's all the conservatives/libertarians' fault for backing this nonsense anyway."

"Ugh, don't bump political threads with nothing to add..."

No. He hasn't done anything yet. It's hard to explain. It's the fear that he will that is promoting gun sales. I'll do my best to explain it.

I'm a member of the NRA, and I receive a monthly magazine from them called American Rifleman. Back in the November Issue, it talks about the two main former presidential candidates, and what they have voted regarding the Second Amendment in their years in the Senate. 

Here are a few things it said Obama supported: Voted for a complete ban on handguns, Voted to ban center-fire rifle ammunition(which is almost any rifle except for a .22), Voted to allow the prosecution of people who use handguns for self-defense in their homes, supported lawsuits against firearm manufacturers, Opposes right-to-carry(see the video that's posted higher in the page), Supported increasing the excise tax on firearms by 500%. 

I'm quoting the NRA because they pretty much exist solely to protect the second amendment, so they'll probably tell us the truth regarding that matter.

These are just a few of what it mentioned. So when Obama was elected, and seeing Obama's history on the second amendment brings fear to gun-owners. They're worried they'll either lose their right, or the government will tax guns so much that they won't be able afford to buy guns in the future, so they're stocking up now before he has the chance to take action.

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Don't mistake the NRA for what it is.  It is a proponent of the entire firearm/ammunition industry under the guise of 'protecting' the 2nd amendment.  They spew propoganda and false information,  like the crap above,  to promote the paranoia and the type of hysteria we are seeing now  that produces an avalanche of sales and profit for the industry, even during a legit recession...lol.   The left in power will prolly get assault weapon/handgun laws passed restricting clip size and the like and that'll be it.  Maybe close some gun show loop holes and some 'cop killer' ammo sales, or increase the wait and thoroughness of purchase  background checks, but nothing we haven't seen before.  If you like to shoot like me, or are an avid sportsman/hunter you have nothing to worry about. 

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Don't mistake the NRA for what it is.  It is a proponent of the entire firearm/ammunition industry under the guise of 'protecting' the 2nd amendment.  They spew propoganda and false information,  like the crap above,  to promote the paranoia and the type of hysteria we are seeing now  that produces an avalanche of sales and profit for the industry, even during a legit recession...lol.   The left in power will prolly get assault weapon/handgun laws passed restricting clip size and the like and that'll be it.  Maybe close some gun show loop holes and some 'cop killer' ammo sales, or increase the wait and thoroughness of purchase  background checks, but nothing we haven't seen before.  If you like to shoot like me, or are an avid sportsman/hunter you have nothing to worry about. 

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Well here's a video from CNN since most people here prefer CNN over FOX News. I don't usually like CNN, but this is actually a good clip. It talks about the soaring sales of guns, and it confirms some of those from the NRA I listed above. I think it's CNN, I don't know any of the reporters and I don't see a logo, but the guy that posted the video said it's CNN. Any CNN fans wanna confirm that for me?

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LMAO America. What the fuck is your nation coming to?

Spend $3 Trillion getting rid of one Hussein, whilst electing another Hussein that bankrupts you. Sweet, sweet irony.

"There's a great line from Homer, and make of it what you will: The sword itself incites to violence."