CountPickles

I was responding in kind to TheLoyalTraitor's comment. We ended our comments with an understanding that art is in the eye of beholder. Which I believe it is.

I also wrote "I don't want anyone to take it as that they're "wrong" for liking a game.".

Im not sure how you can find me not liking a game a form of passive-aggressiveness. Ill say it again, if you like Nier, you're not wrong or right. This is a matter of opinion. Im sorry you find this so ..."shitty"....

Sorry, I could have said that better. I was responding to the commenter's opinion on how the extreme characters meshed with the idea of consciousness. To me, Nier was presenting basic characterization, that is ultimately very relatable, and mixing them very complicated questions about morality and existence. Its as if it was presenting questions that were genuinely interesting only to destroy them by presenting characters that had childish delusions thoughtlessly foisted upon them by the madness of human beings. It was presenting these characters as answers, and I found that pretty obnoxious.

@rubberluffy: I stated I didn't play through Ending E.

Also, you playing it twice doesn't negate the fact that I feel Nier is the Gummo of gaming. Yes, I said it. THE GUMMO...OF GAMING.

@theloyaltraitor:

I understand, and I don't want anyone to take it as that they're "wrong" for liking a game. its just for me Nier was a complete misfire and the more fervent and loud its fanbase gets, the more I realized how off-the-mark Nier was. The thing is that I don't like answers to questions, I like questions. That to me is the basis of the best works of art. Nier feels like its all "answers" by some emo kid that read wiki articles about Jean Paul Sartre for first time.

The fact that the characters are extremes are completely antithetical to what I find interesting, which is the nature of existence and if that can really be fully appreciated or even understood. All Nier does is present things that are relatable at the most basic level and then apply them to cliched questions of Sci-fi, all of which result in failure to me. The irony of ironies is that the question of "can AI achieve consciousness?" is much more complicated and interesting a question than Nier lets on or wants to venture into. The narrative of the game simply implies "Yes, but it sucks anyway....(cough)...".

It just feels so MTV in the 90's-lame.

I didn't play through Ending E, so maybe it'll change my perception, but the 3 main endings were pretty boring.

The thing about Mass Effect 2 is that its much more focused and concise than Nier. Moments where there is a long pause after Shepard asks Legion why he took his armor, are in my mind better than Nier ever could be.

There's some of that in Nier but its compounded by such drivel and hatred that it reminds me of Harmony Korine's Gummo.

blah blah blah, art, eye beholder...and so forth.

@theloyaltraitor: what if I got all that and still found it an obnoxious boring slog of a game? None of what you said or what the game did resonated or was presented in an interesting enough fashion. A lot of it felt almost South Park-y in its executions of:

- Present Character A

- Learn that Character A is either childishly virtuous or childishly fiendish

- Learn that Character A's childishness comes from twisted mutation of desires of humanity from eons ago

- Repeat

I say its South Park-y because presenting something as cute and ineffectual and then turning it into a monster is essentially the basis of South Park's humour. I don't know if Nier's creator is laughing at the characters, or the audience, and frankly, I assume he's doing both and i find that really obnoxious. Relentless nihilistic self-deprecation and flagellation is a little played out, in my opinion.

I feel the few interactions Legion has with Shepard in Mass Effect 2 do a better job at putting forth these undoubtedly heady and interesting subjects.

ah, well, to each their own... art and whatnot, amiright?

its pronounced "Yustice League" and, yes, I am watching it on Thursday evening.

I did not enjoy the first hour nor the other 15 or so to finish the game 3 times. I’m glad I can say this loud and proud. Nier is not a good game.

The gameplay is mediocre, the visuals are bland and apart from the soundtrack and some narrative bits in Playthrough C, it’s really not that interesting.

I also did most of the side missions and they were ...not good, to say the least.

Also the Fishing Minigame (good name for a band btw) felt very sarcastic and grungy, almost like Yoko was making fun of the player for doing it. I don’t like sarcastic, grungey stuff, as it pains my soul.

@hnke: I’m playing with everything maxed out at 144 FPS. It looks and plays great.

That sucks.

I have the same specs you listed but an i7 6700 instead of what you have, and I’ve had zero problems with the game.

That’s super annoying though what you’ve gone through

@blackout62: #WeAreBrad