"so its why you dont like the game, not why its overated...because not a single thing you posted proves its overated because every thing you posted is opinion. "     
 

@gogobomb said:

"you are so fucking stupid, how does price affect the rating of the game? so your saying that if galaxy 2 was $100 that it should be given a 1/5? you are a god damn retard. and also, a game dosent need a narrative, hd, or color to be good, and you say that the art style is lazy, ok ya sure it could be thought of that way but its unique and original. this game is underrated, not overrated, and you seem to think that because its hard its bad, well hard isnt always a bad thing "

" @haggis said:

" @Skitch:  Some kind of composed soundtrack would have been beneficial, in my opinion. "

I'm still saying that this game does have one, albiet a highly incidental score.  As for your other points, I'll agree to disagree, as this is among one of the more cohesively designed experiences that I've had for a while, which it benefits from being so focused in its approach from my impression of it. "

RAH RAH RAH disagree RAH RAH RAH something stupid RAH RA RAH you're dumb.
Seriously guys, it's his opinion about a video game, calm down.

" RAH RAH RAH disagree RAH RAH RAH something stupid RAH RA RAH you're dumb. Seriously guys, it's his opinion about a video game, calm down. "  

Shadow of the Colossus had little to no story and Limbo has the similar feel. 
 
You basically wake up and the game starts. I think Limbo is one of those games were people will 'get' it and love it or 'get' it and still not like it.

" Shadow of the Colossus had little to no story "

so... when the price lowers it should have a 6 stars review? 
if you think it's too expensive, buy it when it's cheaper

" @OneManX said:

" Shadow of the Colossus had little to no story "

There is a difference between plot (A happens, then B happens, then C happens) and story (how is the connection between A and B relevant, how is it made relevant, what props, worlds, images and feelings are used to convey this information, how is the one the story is told to involved). Games like Shadow of the Colossus, or Portal, or Limbo now, may not have an elaborate plot (like, say, Halo), but do a magnificent job at telling what they want to tell.   "

" @OneManX said:

" Shadow of the Colossus had little to no story "

There is a difference between plot (A happens, then B happens, then C happens) and story (how is the connection between A and B relevant, how is it made relevant, what props, worlds, images and feelings are used to convey this information, how is the one the story is told to involved). Games like Shadow of the Colossus, or Portal, or Limbo now, may not have an elaborate plot (like, say, Halo), but do a magnificent job at telling what they want to tell.   "

" so... when the price lowers it should have a 6 stars review? if you think it's too expensive, buy it when it's cheaper "

" It's not on par with Braid, but it's still a good game. "

" @ThatFrood said:

" It's not on par with Braid, but it's still a good game. "

I would agree with this. I enjoyed Limbo and don't regret the $15 price for it but it certainly does not merit a perfect score. If anyone is on the fence with Limbo and has never played Braid, I would say grab Braid. Better game, less money. "

I agree, Limbo is such a better game to watch than it is to play. For me, the problem with it isn't that its too much money or that it's not long enough. It's that if you break it down into it's core features; it's lacking. The game play of continuous trail and error and simple platforming isn't really enough to carry game without a story. 
 
I'm sorry, but people have been breaking out statements like " Price does not determine quality." 
But I say that an artstyle doesn't determine quality. Most 'arty' games, present a story or game mechanics in really interesting ways which compliments the unusual artstyle. In a game where the isn't any interesting game mechanics and their is no story, all I felt I was paying for was a pretty face. 
 
And as pretty as Limbo is, it's just not a good game in my eyes, and neither is it a good story. Unfortunately this is not the bandwagon product for me.

" @TheBooya said:

" @demontium said:

" Cheap, lazy and overrated. "

I have no problem with you questioning the value of the game (it's your opinion) or whether you think it's overrated or not. What I do have a problem with is you accusing the developers of being 'lazy'. These guys busted their asses for 3 years, flew around the world multiple times begging, pleading publishers to sign them so they could turn their vision into a game that we can all enjoy.  Calling developers 'lazy' is straight up ignorant, man. Have an opinion all day long, but don't be a jerk about it. "

Really? No its not, sure in regards to actually getting the product to being published I will give them props, but that has nothing to do with the game THEY made. THEY made the game colorless, with little animation and no music and so on. THEY did that, it had nothing to do with them going around the world begging for someone to publish them. 
 
@Meowayne said:

" Hey yeah that's cool. I bought Limbo and Mass Effect at about the same price and I feel that the money was much better spent with Limbo. So cool story bro and all that.   There is rarely a sound design as good as Limbo's. So coming here and saying "there's like little music and shit" is just silly.  "

Really, you think limbo is better than mass effect even at a lower price?  Well thats just a difference in opinion I guess, you loss for wanting less i guess, and saying there is no music is just a fact. "

Having now seen it to the end, I will say that the last part drags down the experience several degrees because the world isn't as imaginative and the puzzles are much less fun to figure out, mostly because there are too many "do the exact right thing  at the exact same time"-physics puzzles, something which is mostly lacking from the first half. The awesome way in which, say, the spider or the "natives" are set in scene and told interactively is just missing from the second half of the game, and that's a bummer. 
 
Still, I cannot see how anyone could say that $15 is "too much" for this experience, or that it is "overrated", or that anyone in the team did a bad job.

A downloadable game getting this much attention, even though Starcraft 2 was just released... it must of been doing SOMETHING right.

" @Skitch said:

" @haggis said:

" @Skitch:  Some kind of composed soundtrack would have been beneficial, in my opinion. "

I'm still saying that this game does have one, albiet a highly incidental score.  As for your other points, I'll agree to disagree, as this is among one of the more cohesively designed experiences that I've had for a while, which it benefits from being so focused in its approach from my impression of it. "

No matter what anyone says, sound always adds mood. "

$15 for a 3 hour game is perfectly cromulent, most XBLA games are gunning for that price point anyway these days. A perfect score doesn't mean it needs to be some epic, giant game like Mario Galaxy 2. It just has to be effective in everything it's trying to achieve, and it does that which merits the score.

" @demontium said:

" @Skitch said:

" @haggis said:

" @Skitch:  Some kind of composed soundtrack would have been beneficial, in my opinion. "

I'm still saying that this game does have one, albiet a highly incidental score.  As for your other points, I'll agree to disagree, as this is among one of the more cohesively designed experiences that I've had for a while, which it benefits from being so focused in its approach from my impression of it. "

No matter what anyone says, sound always adds mood. "

I agree with you, sound always adds mood. As does no sound. "

" $15 for a 3 hour game is perfectly cromulent, most XBLA games are gunning for that price point anyway these days. A perfect score doesn't mean it needs to be some epic, giant game like Mario Galaxy 2. It just has to be effective in everything it's trying to achieve, and it does that which merits the score. "

" A downloadable game getting this much attention, even though Starcraft 2 was just released... it must of been doing SOMETHING right. "

" @dbz1995 said:

" @demontium said:

" @Skitch said:

" @haggis said:

" @Skitch:  Some kind of composed soundtrack would have been beneficial, in my opinion. "

I'm still saying that this game does have one, albiet a highly incidental score.  As for your other points, I'll agree to disagree, as this is among one of the more cohesively designed experiences that I've had for a while, which it benefits from being so focused in its approach from my impression of it. "

No matter what anyone says, sound always adds mood. "

I agree with you, sound always adds mood. As does no sound. "

The absence of sound is good for certain moments of them game, and could have been implemented really well.
 
However, in their mission to be "artsy," they just had non to little sound the whole way through, not fully grasping how it is meant to contrast certain moments from the rest of the game.
 
@Turbo_Toaster said:

" $15 for a 3 hour game is perfectly cromulent, most XBLA games are gunning for that price point anyway these days. A perfect score doesn't mean it needs to be some epic, giant game like Mario Galaxy 2. It just has to be effective in everything it's trying to achieve, and it does that which merits the score. "

But a perfect score means it has little to no flaws - make no mistake being overpriced is a flaw - it is as good as games get as far as comparisons.  Limbo simply doesn't make that cut with its length, lack of any narrative, re-usage of art assests (a lot), and all of the other mentioned little but stacking flaws that hold the game back and that no one likes to mention. "

" @demontium said:

" @dbz1995 said:

" @demontium said:

" @Skitch said:

" @haggis said:

" @Skitch:  Some kind of composed soundtrack would have been beneficial, in my opinion. "

I'm still saying that this game does have one, albiet a highly incidental score.  As for your other points, I'll agree to disagree, as this is among one of the more cohesively designed experiences that I've had for a while, which it benefits from being so focused in its approach from my impression of it. "

No matter what anyone says, sound always adds mood. "

I agree with you, sound always adds mood. As does no sound. "

The absence of sound is good for certain moments of them game, and could have been implemented really well.
 
However, in their mission to be "artsy," they just had non to little sound the whole way through, not fully grasping how it is meant to contrast certain moments from the rest of the game.
 
@Turbo_Toaster said:

" $15 for a 3 hour game is perfectly cromulent, most XBLA games are gunning for that price point anyway these days. A perfect score doesn't mean it needs to be some epic, giant game like Mario Galaxy 2. It just has to be effective in everything it's trying to achieve, and it does that which merits the score. "

But a perfect score means it has little to no flaws - make no mistake being overpriced is a flaw - it is as good as games get as far as comparisons.  Limbo simply doesn't make that cut with its length, lack of any narrative, re-usage of art assests (a lot), and all of the other mentioned little but stacking flaws that hold the game back and that no one likes to mention. "

5/5 isn't  true perfection. Galaxy 2 got a 5/5 and that game was perfections it's positives outweighed it's negatives and then it went beyond that.  5/5 means, it has little to no flaws. I think Limbo took advantage of it's artstyle and adding in tricky puzzles. The price is a hump, but its a hump that it can't get over b/c it's a part of the Summer of Arcade.   Again I think people are too focused on the price tag, while people make the comparisons to movies and DVDs, I think if people get over the price tag they will see one of the truly unique games that came out this year. It's sparking discussion both positive and negative and people are talking about this game. "

"Cheap, lazy and overrated. Don't get me wrong, this is a good game,     
"

" @demontium: Misspelling effective is lazy. "

The thing that bugged me about Limbo wasn't really the $15 pricetag, but that the story (what little there was) had very little closure.  I get that some people like that, but I sure as shit don't.  At least give me SOMETHING more than... 
  
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" @demontium: Effective is producing the intended or expected result: effective teaching methods; effective steps toward peace. While Affective is: of, caused by, or expressing emotion or feeling; emotional.  Two completely different words with different meanings "

Just finished the game and totally agree with this. 
Maybe some reviewers forget sometimes that reviews are meant to be purchasing advice. I'm not as offended by the 1200 MP pricepoint as some but sometimes it seems like when you're reviewing a game that you get a free download code for it's easy to overlook what you put in versus what you get out of it.
 
My real problem was that Limbo at its core was really just another puzzle platformer with a different artstyle. Were the puzzles particularly challenging and unique? Sometimes, although a lot of that could be attributed to the uncoordinated character I feel. Was there any deep underlying narrative or message? Not really. As others have already said, it shouldn't be getting praise for minimalism.

" Just finished the game and totally agree with this.  Maybe some reviewers forget sometimes that reviews are meant to be purchasing advice. I'm not as offended by the 1200 MP pricepoint as some but sometimes it seems like when you're reviewing a game that you get a free download code for it's easy to overlook what you put in versus what you get out of it.  My real problem was that Limbo at its core was really just another puzzle platformer with a different artstyle. Were the puzzles particularly challenging and unique? Sometimes, although a lot of that could be attributed to the uncoordinated character I feel. Was there any deep underlying narrative or message? Not really. As others have already said, it shouldn't be getting praise for minimalism. "

I worry that Limbo is going to be one of those games that people only adore in its moment. As someone who hasn't played it yet (for price reasons), what worries me the most is the kind of defensive stance it inspires in the people who adore it. With a game like say Batman: Arkham Asylum you get this near-universal consensus of: "This is a really good game." And it just kind of stands by itself.
 
Limbo turns people into evangelists. It might be a good game. It might be an amazing game. But I'm not thrilled with the way people kind of shove the word masterpiece down the media pipe.
 
Think about all of the great games that have come out this year (Mass Effect 2 for instance). Time for a prophecy here - when it comes time for the GB crew to deliberate on their 2010 GOTY, if Limbo is even considered as a finalist the point people will arrive at is: "Yeah, the artstyle was good. It really captured an oppressive mood. The core mechanics of this game were fun and good. But this is a game with very simple mechanics that we've seen before."

Were you stoned?  If you play Limbo baked, you'll love it.  
 
I agree, also.  The game has a great tone and look.  But you don't make good or fun games, based on trial and error.

" Were you stoned?  If you play Limbo baked, you'll love it.    I agree, also.  The game has a great tone and look.  But you don't make good or fun games, based on trial and error. "  

" I worry that Limbo is going to be one of those games that people only adore in its moment. As someone who hasn't played it yet (for price reasons), what worries me the most is the kind of defensive stance it inspires in the people who adore it. With a game like say Batman: Arkham Asylum you get this near-universal consensus of: "This is a really good game." And it just kind of stands by itself.  Limbo turns people into evangelists. It might be a good game. It might be an amazing game. But I'm not thrilled with the way people kind of shove the word masterpiece down the media pipe.   Think about all of the great games that have come out this year (Mass Effect 2 for instance). Time for a prophecy here - when it comes time for the GB crew to deliberate on their 2010 GOTY, if Limbo is even considered as a finalist the point people will arrive at is: "Yeah, the artstyle was good. It really captured an oppressive mood. The core mechanics of this game were fun and good. But this is a game with very simple mechanics that we've seen before." "

" I worry that Limbo is going to be one of those games that people only adore in its moment. As someone who hasn't played it yet (for price reasons), what worries me the most is the kind of defensive stance it inspires in the people who adore it. With a game like say Batman: Arkham Asylum you get this near-universal consensus of: "This is a really good game." And it just kind of stands by itself.  Limbo turns people into evangelists. It might be a good game. It might be an amazing game. But I'm not thrilled with the way people kind of shove the word masterpiece down the media pipe.   Think about all of the great games that have come out this year (Mass Effect 2 for instance). Time for a prophecy here - when it comes time for the GB crew to deliberate on their 2010 GOTY, if Limbo is even considered as a finalist the point people will arrive at is: "Yeah, the artstyle was good. It really captured an oppressive mood. The core mechanics of this game were fun and good. But this is a game with very simple mechanics that we've seen before." "

" @9cupsoftea:  So, here's where I'll meet you on this game if you're willing to talk it out a little further. I don't want this to come off as antagonistic just maybe a little provocative:  What is it about this game that affects you deeply? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I really wanna know. I'm just wary about people not being able to articulate what it is about this game that strikes them so profoundly. In this thread at least (I'll peek my head out into this game's forum at large after this reply) I see a lot of earnest defense of the game but very little substantive conversation about how Limbo is so effective.    I look at this game and I see a platformer with very few new tricks and a $15 price tag and think, "I'll wait." If it's a moving and compelling experience to play, I might reconsider. But so far I hear a lot of people calling it a masterpiece but then not really being able to express why. "

" @DeadSpace said:

" @9cupsoftea:  So, here's where I'll meet you on this game if you're willing to talk it out a little further. I don't want this to come off as antagonistic just maybe a little provocative:  What is it about this game that affects you deeply? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I really wanna know. I'm just wary about people not being able to articulate what it is about this game that strikes them so profoundly. In this thread at least (I'll peek my head out into this game's forum at large after this reply) I see a lot of earnest defense of the game but very little substantive conversation about how Limbo is so effective.    I look at this game and I see a platformer with very few new tricks and a $15 price tag and think, "I'll wait." If it's a moving and compelling experience to play, I might reconsider. But so far I hear a lot of people calling it a masterpiece but then not really being able to express why. "

First of all, you have to play limbo to understand what it is about. Try the demo. I thought it was just a regular platformer with a different art style when I first saw it, and much of what made me love it is stuff that would spoil it for you if I talked about it. It's not just puzzles in black and white, it uses a lot of tricks and sequences to create a strong sense of mystery and danger, all of which are really subtle and clever.   If I had one criticism of the game it's that the latter half IS much more just a puzzle platformer, but the first half more than makes up for it. Try the demo, and you will get it. "

" Were you stoned?  If you play Limbo baked, you'll love it.    I agree, also.  The game has a great tone and look.  But you don't make good or fun games, based on trial and error. "

" @9cupsoftea said:

" @DeadSpace said:

" @9cupsoftea:  So, here's where I'll meet you on this game if you're willing to talk it out a little further. I don't want this to come off as antagonistic just maybe a little provocative:  What is it about this game that affects you deeply? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I really wanna know. I'm just wary about people not being able to articulate what it is about this game that strikes them so profoundly. In this thread at least (I'll peek my head out into this game's forum at large after this reply) I see a lot of earnest defense of the game but very little substantive conversation about how Limbo is so effective.    I look at this game and I see a platformer with very few new tricks and a $15 price tag and think, "I'll wait." If it's a moving and compelling experience to play, I might reconsider. But so far I hear a lot of people calling it a masterpiece but then not really being able to express why. "

First of all, you have to play limbo to understand what it is about. Try the demo. I thought it was just a regular platformer with a different art style when I first saw it, and much of what made me love it is stuff that would spoil it for you if I talked about it. It's not just puzzles in black and white, it uses a lot of tricks and sequences to create a strong sense of mystery and danger, all of which are really subtle and clever.   If I had one criticism of the game it's that the latter half IS much more just a puzzle platformer, but the first half more than makes up for it. Try the demo, and you will get it. "

I think DeadSpace really nailed something I didn't even notice. The game keeps getting people to say "it effected me.... you are a retard" - basically mindlessly defending it, causing me to shell out the same to similar response time after time.   I don't think the first half is as fun as the second. The gravity puzzles and such are not anything new, but they are more fun. As far as the first act being more gruesome, yeah, and it is more frightening to see what happens to everything. First part is not as fun as Second. "

" @SoothsayerGB said:

" Were you stoned?  If you play Limbo baked, you'll love it.    I agree, also.  The game has a great tone and look.  But you don't make good or fun games, based on trial and error. "

Portal says 'hi' "

" @demontium said:

" @9cupsoftea said:

" @DeadSpace said:

" @9cupsoftea:  So, here's where I'll meet you on this game if you're willing to talk it out a little further. I don't want this to come off as antagonistic just maybe a little provocative:  What is it about this game that affects you deeply? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I really wanna know. I'm just wary about people not being able to articulate what it is about this game that strikes them so profoundly. In this thread at least (I'll peek my head out into this game's forum at large after this reply) I see a lot of earnest defense of the game but very little substantive conversation about how Limbo is so effective.    I look at this game and I see a platformer with very few new tricks and a $15 price tag and think, "I'll wait." If it's a moving and compelling experience to play, I might reconsider. But so far I hear a lot of people calling it a masterpiece but then not really being able to express why. "

First of all, you have to play limbo to understand what it is about. Try the demo. I thought it was just a regular platformer with a different art style when I first saw it, and much of what made me love it is stuff that would spoil it for you if I talked about it. It's not just puzzles in black and white, it uses a lot of tricks and sequences to create a strong sense of mystery and danger, all of which are really subtle and clever.   If I had one criticism of the game it's that the latter half IS much more just a puzzle platformer, but the first half more than makes up for it. Try the demo, and you will get it. "

I think DeadSpace really nailed something I didn't even notice. The game keeps getting people to say "it effected me.... you are a retard" - basically mindlessly defending it, causing me to shell out the same to similar response time after time.   I don't think the first half is as fun as the second. The gravity puzzles and such are not anything new, but they are more fun. As far as the first act being more gruesome, yeah, and it is more frightening to see what happens to everything. First part is not as fun as Second. "

I think the thing that gets people, is that it is SO much different from other games. Some players (most reviewers) get attached to the boy, who has no story at all, you go find the girl who you assume to be his sister and that is about it. And then you see him die in terrible, terrible ways. The Lord of Flies feeling of the earlier levels, the brutal machine puzzles to the end. The idea that it uses the the black and white scale so well. I mean, honestly if you wanted to make a case for games as art, then this would be the perfect one.  And it sucks that people are latching onto the X amount of dollars + Y amount of gameplay = Z score... Nevermind the fact that there were plenty of PS2 games that cost 50 bucks and were about 7 hours long.  It seems like a very lame way to cheat yourself out of a truly good game experience, and that is what Limbo is, an experience. It's the sum of challenging gameplay, good design and a unique look.  "

@soothsayergb: funny you say that cause I found it a lot harder when stoned. All in all I agree with this post. The internet and even people I know RAVED about this game like its a must play or something. The game wasn't satisfying or that fun to me overall. At least a game like lone survivor(which was also very hard) had a good story and mechanics that motivated me to finish it. Limbo felt like a slog and had almost no story. I'm going to play the swapper next, and I hope I get more out of it then I did with Limbo.

@demontium If it was me reviewing this game I would've reduced the score had it been longer. Some games are longer than they should be. I think Limbo got that balance right.

Why am I replying to a 3 year old thread lol.

I thought limbo was...oh, necro thread.