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@RagingDaemon said:

It was a dude who is crass and weird, being his same usual crass and weird self. And if the stress of the show wasn't there, Sakura-whatever wouldn't have broken, since she made a point of saying she is familiar with and part of the community. It's why she basically did an "oops, nevermind" after this media fueled shit started hitting the fan. Guess what? She's back to playing. And if she wasn't a female, and cute, this wouldn't have been as newsworthy. As mentioned, Aris has previously undressed/smelled a dude live. No one cared. No one flew into a rabid righteous fervor.

I'll only respond to the last part of your post because I don't really have to argue how much of a sexist and racist piece of human waste you are as you made that pretty self evident.

What you did do was make a mistake of saying factually incorrect things such as

@RagingDaemon said:

It's why she basically did an "oops, nevermind" after this media fueled shit started hitting the fan.

No she did not. She's blaming him fully for the entire thing and has repeatedly said that he was the only reason for her dilemma and that she was crying for the entire day prior to leaving. Her quote "I was so appalled at what Aris said on the 5th night that I could not stop crying, the next day I made the decision to leave because of it." http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g7543k

@RagingDaemon said:

And if she wasn't a female, and cute, this wouldn't have been as newsworthy. As mentioned, Aris has previously undressed/smelled a dude live. No one cared. No one flew into a rabid righteous fervor.

No that's only your opinion. Aris's actions were unacceptable in all contexts at all times towards all people. Male or female. I would have cared! So, yeah, keep on telling yourself that to make yourself feel better. People do care when it happens to guys too. I care when it happens to my nephew when he comes over to play. I care about it when it happens to many of my male friends on Xbox Live. You are incorrect in assuming most people don't care. YOU DON'T CARE.

I have protected male, female, gay, straight, and anybody else that didn't appreciate comments like those. I do say things when the same comments are given to my gay British friend on Xbox Live. You're projecting your own thoughts into this. You're the worst there is. You fill yourself with the idea that nobody would care if this was a male because you don't care. You're the problem.

Nobody thinks that way only you. People weren't up in arms about it sooner because it wasn't exposed sooner.

If you knew about this behavior by Aris or any others in the FGC sooner then you could have written a freelance article and told the rest of the gaming community about it... But you didn't everyone else did.

As it stands you're a big part of the problem for defending it. And you're an even bigger part of the problem if you knew about it before this blew up two days ago and didn't tell anybody.

@RagingDaemon said:

Of course you don't respond to the points made about you. You'd have to come from a nearly indefensible place. You got exposed, bro.

As to the rest: context and intent are everything. You are of the mind that words have inherent magic powers that negate context. This is untrue. One man's hateful "nigger!" is another's friendly "my nigga!". One woman's "you bitch!" is another's "heeeeyyy bitch!". Context, relationships, perspective. US people get up in arms if you call a woman a cunt, UK people use the word like it's a comma in their sentences. Do any of the above words have inherent evil that supersedes context? Of course not. Same way dudes trash talking during street fighter aren't actually going to rape one another, have sexual intercourse with anyone's mother, defecate on anyone, etc, etc. Yours is the same censorious attitude used by religious fundamentalists except coming from the other direction. You're not the moral authority any more than they are. Furthermore, being offended is not some special, privileged condition. It doesn't make your position any more tenable, respectable, or valid.

And this is where we come back 'round to your hypocrisy. What makes it not okay to say a "sexist" or "misogynistic" remark and yet you happily trot out a beloved stereotype about US southerners? Why is one action reprehensible and inexcusable but the other not? Because around these parts, it's an acceptable group to deride. And yet I'm sure you would spring to your own defense "Well, but I don't REALLY think southerners are stupid, inbred hicks" etc etc. The same way screaming "rape that bitch" at a video game doesn't mean the person really wants to rape the fictional character Phoenix or anyone else for that matter. In fact, it doesn't even really MEAN "rape". The same way colloquially calling something "gay" hasn't meant homosexual in a long time, and the same way "faggot" has transformed into "super annoying person". In the context of screaming "rape that bitch" at Phoenix, it means some version of "do a lot of damage to this character that many of us dislike passionately". How many other cultures call each other "my nigga"? How would you even begin to structure your outrage at a Philipino calling his Puerto Rican neighbor "my nigga"?

Why do I even have to explain this blindingly obvious stuff to you?

The intent of trash talk? For one it's to express competitive drive, aggression, deride your opponent, make a joke of them etc. It also has become a show of one-upping others via wit, vulgarity, edginess, humor, similar to playing the dozens. It exists in every sport I can think of, combat sports especially. In this situation it was a guy messing with this chick during a boring reality show that didn't really turn out how it was supposed to at all. There was no hidden malice, no sociopathic agenda, no sleeper cell plan by the patriarchy and free masons. It was a dude who is crass and weird, being his same usual crass and weird self. And if the stress of the show wasn't there, Sakura-whatever wouldn't have broken, since she made a point of saying she is familiar with and part of the community. It's why she basically did an "oops, nevermind" after this media fueled shit started hitting the fan. Guess what? She's back to playing. And if she wasn't a female, and cute, this wouldn't have been as newsworthy. As mentioned, Aris has previously undressed/smelled a dude live. No one cared. No one flew into a rabid righteous fervor.

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

@TeflonBilly said:

@Homelessbird: Oh, I agree that action had to be taken and am happy that they did. As I said, it was stupid and especially illtimed.

I'm just beginning to fear that this has the makings of becoming an all out witchhunt now.

The problem with the "witchhunt" analogy is that you're really kinda stupid for even making it in the first place. A real witchhunt was wrong because there are no witches in real life. You can use the word "witchhunt" when the things (in that particular case witches) don't exist but people are overreacting and panic is being caused by the "hunters". There is no overreaction. This is proper reaction. There are sexist/racist and generally offensive elements within the FGC and it is to the best interest of that very same community if they stamp out this crap with extreme prejudice.

What's on the line? The entire FGC being taken seriously by the entire world.

The reactions have been absolutely great. People should be calling on the FGC community to conduct a witchhunt because the witches actually exist. Starting with Aris the fattest witch of them all.

@RurouniGeo said:

@InternetDetective said:

@RurouniGeo: Oh yes, Dr. Sub Zero. He is very respectful of women. You have seen his audition video for the show right? He is very proud of being exactly the same kind of dirtbag Aris is.

Keep defending these guys and maybe they will be friends with you. You and Aris can watch anime tentacle porn and trade button bushing strategies.

MIRANDA LOVES DR. SUBZERO. Wow see you guys are completely set on just one thing. HE GAVE HIS WINNINGS TO HER WHEN SHE FORFIETED. PATRICK TOLD YOU GUYS THIS IN THE ARTICLE!!!! She took to twitter and called him a gentleman up and down in several tweets. Do your research detective.

She hugged him and was visibly very excited for dr. subzero on day 7 the day after she quit when Dr. Subzero won his match to get to the final event for the $25,000 matches.

Button bushing? At least have the decency to spell things correctly if you are not going to have the decency to admit when you are wrong and to not make personal attacks. Stay free.

He's talking about his audition video. Perhaps something in him changed between the time he made the audition video and when he decided to donate all of his winnings to Miranda. I can admit that there is a possibility that at this point in time the reality of what was shown in the audition video is not the same as how he has behaved since then. Perhaps watching Miranda get treated the way she did changed something inside of him but at the time he made the audition video he wasn't any better than Aris.

@ashriels said:

@BelligerentEngine: It wasn't just the ignorant argument he engaged in.

It was also his disgusting behavior ogling this poor girl on a live stream. I mean he was straight up acting like a fucking pig. He was so out of control with it that his male peers contributed. They objectified her, talking about her breasts, openly enthusiastic about hacking her phone and finding "goodies", when she had to use the bathroom he asked what she was going to do in there, and openly discussed fantasy scenarios of her wrestling other girls.

Sorry bud, that is by definition sexual harassment and that is disgusting. And I, nor anyone else shouldn't feel bad calling him a fucking pig. If he has any modicum of shame left he won't ever get in front of a camera again until we forget about his atrocious behavior or better yet, changes his attitude towards women. You can't be a representative of a professional gaming event and act like that.

If he was apart of the underground, that's fine. Stay there.

That's exactly it. I don't see how any of this behavior in defensible in any manner. This was a disgusting human being making lewd and obscene comments towards a female member of his team. If this was a manager or coach of a professional sports team / league he would have been sued and probably arrested. What kind of person do you have to be to announce that you're going to guess a woman's bra size and afterwards sneak up behind her and loudly proclaim you are going to smell her hair while whispering her boyfriend's name all the while she is squirming and practically begging for him to stop?

Even worse what kind of person do you have to be to defend this piece of human waste?

@RurouniGeo said:

No I will not shut up. How are you going to tell a girl how and what to think and that she's a victim too? Sherry is respected and has beaten top players in weekly tournaments before. She's famous for putting down sexual harassment with the "No you cannot." Meme when one time a player asked to put his arm around her for a photograph and she looked at the camera and said "No you cannot". Later she joked with Dr. Subzero and Bronson about Bronsonassault a contest to win a date with her and continues to joke about that even after all this.

She was laughing when saying "yo man aris was trying to cheat" You didnt even watch the show I know what segment she was talking about. Aris told Capcom, Team Tekken and Team Street Fighter since Team Tekken would be outgunned since this is a streetfighter/capcom game and that Team Tekken would use every advantage that they could to help there team. No tekken players are going to Final round to compete for the 25K. What she was talking about was ARIS TRYING TO GET TEAM STREET FIGHTER DISQUALIFIED IN A TEAM CHALLENGE FOR THROWING MATCHES.

How can you even say that you know better than someone who was in the room with Miranda for all 7 days? Or Dr. Sub Zero who is in her own words Miranda's White Knight on the show? Or than Miranda herself?

How big of an ego do you and all these other mindless bashers have that you know better than everyone even those on the show?

I never claimed that Sherry was a victim. I said that she is blaming the victim. I know Sherry's "no you cannot" video and it has nothing to do with this situation. The person in question was not Aris the guy who wanted to put his arm around her was a timid tub of lard. Aris is offensive and aggressive from the beginning.

What you're doing is proving my earlier point correct. Obviously Sherryjenix is a strong willed individual and she speaks her mind and knows how to stop a situation from becoming a big deal. Sadly not everyone is the same. SuperY4n is not Sherryjenix. There are many variables in a persons life that can determine what kind of person they turn out to be but it's very clear that SuperY4n would rather avoid conflict than confront it head on. This makes her different and her own person. Not any better or worse than Sherryjenix just a different person. The fact that you're asking SuperY4n to do the same and change while blaming her for the ordeal goes to show just how ridiculous your way of thinking is.

Aris is a sick and disgusting human being. Sherryjenix thankfully understands how to deal with this sick fuck and knows how to take care of herself in his presence but that doesn't mean that everyone else does or that it was ok for him to CONTINUE DOING IT TO MIRANDA EVEN THOUGH HE COULD CLEARLY SEE IT BOTHERED HER WHEN HE ASKED WHY SHE WAS POUTING AND UPSET!

@BraveToaster said:

@Brodehouse said:

I can't believe how short-sighted some of these comments are. It's such snap defensive reactions, that they're defending a sexist asshole rather than distancing themselves. He's done well to confuse the issue that "they're trying to take down our community" and not "sexually harassing women is not okay". And that's exactly what he was doing. If you don't believe so, try that fucking shit in your office or on the street and see where it gets you.

You have a point. It's just like when someone calls out Chris Brown and he manipulates his brainwashed fans into thinking that he's a victim.

Not only that exactly correct both of you. I wonder if Aris would let his someone talk that way to his mother, or his sister. Even in jest. Would you be ok if someone asked his mom or his sister their bra size? Would he let them ask them whether they were going #1 or #2 in the bathroom? What if we informed people over a live stream and in the room that assholes on the internet are creating Twitter account names with his mom's body parts.

The real litmus test is if you would ever let someone ask your mother, or your sister, or your girlfriend, or your wife these things. If you agree then I guess you truly do believe Aris was ok, and you really are the lowest dregs of society.

SuperY4n is somebody's daughter, maybe even somebody's sister. There is no reason to act like that towards any person in the world. I would not stand it for any of the women in my life nor any of the men and I don't see how anybody could ever possibly defend his position.

@RurouniGeo said:

http://www.twitch.tv/thisislijoe/b/309985394 <- Actual Evidence for you Mr. Detective. Team Street Fighter player Sherry Jenix defending Aris at 5:32:00 in this video

Shut the hell up. I went to the link and I time skipped to the video! She is NOT DEFENDING ARIS! Sherryjenix I REPEAT IS NOT DEFENDING ARIS! Sherry is in fact accusing Aris of being a cheater and being booted for cheating at the game!

What she does say is the SuperY4n isn't forward enough and does not defend herself well. Sherryjenix is sadly falling into the same trap that all people who hear of sexual abuse (especially in rape cases thought this was obviously not one) and she's blaming the victim. Sherryjenix here is in the wrong along with many of you. Sherryjenix is basically saying that it was SuperY4ns fault for letting Aris go to far and not telling him to fuck off sooner and with force.

What people like Sherryjenix who are using this same tactic to defend Aris don't understand is that not everyone has the gumption and the ability to conjure up the willpower necessary to confront another human being like that. SuperY4n / Miranda was either not taught well enough about standing up for herself or she's just not that kind of person in the first place. She is still a victim and so are the other people that Aris accosts and harasses. Male and female. This is not acceptable and we shouldn't be blaming the victim but the perpetrator.

@churrific said:

Well I'm not the reporter that Patrick is supposed to be, but it's on the stream archives of the show. If Patrick felt like actually doing the research and digging through the hours of footage of the show, there's one moment where Aris grabs a guy and straight up unbuttons his shirt on stream while he's playing. No mention of that anywhere.

Ok you've made your point. I fully agree. Not only does Arris sexually harrass women but he's also abusive and accosts males on the show too. Both those things are wrong.

Now you could have written an article about it and submitted it as a freelancer. Of course you didn't do that. You either sat on that knowledge and didn't tell anybody so you're part of the problem. Or you found out afterwards like we are all just finding out and are using it as proof that it's ok that Aris did that to SuperY4N in which case... YOU'RE A BIGGER PART OF THE PROBLEM.