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@jamjyo: Woah dude, ok. That wasn't at all what I was trying to say but going all "hurr durr" is real good discussion".

I didn't express an opinion because I didn't play the game (and don't plan to, because I know what kind of stuff I'm into), but I've just been reading the discussion on the like 3 different threads and various places because it's kinda interesting.

The "bad writing" complaint also feels slightly separate from complaints about the "bad story". Admittedly, my reaction to it is more of a "me" thing than their fault. It's a complaint that gets levied against a lot of stuff (I'll say, especially Japanese stuff) that doesn't necessarily seem... Fair? Some stuff is just written differently (in a broader sense and also moment-to-moment dialog, which I guess is usually more what I'm thinking of when people talk "writing" specifically) and works more for some people. So throwing out "it's bad writing" just feels lazy and always like it's some kind of "gotcha!"

It's not necessarily just this thread, but a broader thing in media discussion. Someone else mentioned the "cinemasins-style" critique popping up a lot, which I think is about right.

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All the discourse around this game has just taught me that people like to throw around "good/bad and better/worse writing" as objective facts when it really comes down to what they like.

Like, it feels like it has lost all meaning as a critique especially since people basically never elaborate.

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Damn, never realized people cared about the aesthetics of console so much.

I'll always take some attempt at style over a literal box any day.

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#4  Edited By Epidehl

It warms my heart to see people discover how fun FF5 is. Everything from the party members to the complete lunacy that is Exdeaths backstory fucking rules.

And yeah, Gilgamesh and Battle on the Big Bridge are both totally incredible as well. Hell, that song opened the Distant Worlds concert when I saw it. It's honestly probably one of the only things from the game that gets "respect". There are soooo many good official versions of it. Special shout outs to the incredible FFXIII-2 (yes) version of it:

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Edit: This is also funny to read because I knew FF5 had a busted battle system, but not in this way. I went for the more (I think) late game breaking that is dual-wielding Mystic Knights with Rapid Fire.

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If I remember correctly, the only reason I knew is because he'd told it at a PAX East.

There was a video production panel where someone brought it up, but he didn't want to use up panel time talking about it, so afterwards a bunch of people went with him into an empty room at the convention center while he told it. It's one of the most memorable things from the PAX Easts I went to.

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Maybe it's because I just like Metroidvania games, but this is still the only run-based game that has ever really clicked with me. Super cool, looking forward to this.

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Boy, reading this thread I see why they did the two versions in the first place. Americans really are obsessed with fathers and their daughters, huh?

I never actually finished Nier as a power outage caused me to lose a of progress and I never had the drive to redo it. Not sure if I care enough about this though, if people consider Automata better I probably won't enjoy it as I barely enjoyed that game.

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@casepb: I feel like this a weird case because, technically, English is the "Native" VO. The game is entirely made in the US, despite being about Japan. Like, there are plenty of Anime that take place in not-Japan but I feel like most people would still argue that those should be watched in their "original language" (Japanese).

This feels like more of a case of people like to shit on English VO and prop up Japanese VO as much as possible, but maybe that's just coming from a perspective of being into anime and having to hear that ALL THE TIME.

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@boozak: Supposedly there are 4 announcements coming, and this is just the first.

I might get this? I tried the original when I first got my WiiU but feel off it hard thanks to hating the touchscreen and dual screen stuff, curious how they're going to adjust that stuff.

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I never enjoyed the old GOTY podcasts, and don't listen to the new format ones either. I was always in the GOTY stuff for the group video content, and also thought that got better when they moved away from written skits to the special-tacular stuff of the last two years. I get cutting down their time together for family/life reasons, but that meaning the content I actually enjoyed from this time of the year is gone sucks in a pretty big way, and I would personally do without the Arguing Podcasts (even if they're less that now).

The individual videos are also kind of whatever, but I've never really enjoyed solo content. Hell it's part of why I enjoy GB over a lot of YT/twitch people.