30 is an arbitrary number when it includes games like White Knight Chronicles, Army of Two, and Dark Void. I thought the point was quality. And also, the idea of acting like this first quarter of all first quarters, this record breaking release quarter, is any indication of the average quarter for a console, that's just silly. Wii didn't have ODST or Modern Warfare scaring all holiday releases into Q1 2010. If it did you'd have games like Silent Hill Shattered Memories and Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers on the Q1 list.
"In addition I didn't add PoP or Anno (or Sega All Stars Racing) to the Wii list because they're inferior versions. As far as I know they offer no significantly different gameplay mechanics, they just look a lot worse (if not then I'll change it)."
The Wii version of Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands isn't a port. It's a bit confusing, seeing as it has the same name as the Prince of Persia coming out on PS3 and 360, but it's a different game -- a Wii exclusive, if you will -- with its own story, levels and mechanics. "
That's interesting, I'll change it then.
@AgentJ: I never implied that games such as Dark Void have a shot at GOTY; please read back. I said that the number of such games is greater on other systems; is there any other title on the Wii list besides Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid (and I believe that Metroid may be stretching it) that have a shot? I don't really think so. "
Hey, if it has 2-4 out of 10 in the running, I'll be more than happy with my purchase of a Wii. I think Monster Hunter Tri may have a shot too, but that type of game is usually ignored.
" 30 is an arbitrary number when it includes games like White Knight Chronicles, Army of Two, and Dark Void. I thought the point was quality. "
30 is an arbitrary number, and it is merely chosen from TooWalrus's post out of convenience; the timespan was then specified to fit it. The point is about both quality and quantity.
" @AgentJ: I didn't fault them for being JRPG's, that is just what they are. I'm merely saying that realistically, Arc Fatalis is probably not even going to be considered for being nominated for game of the year, anywhere. The point was about both the quantity and quality of games on the Wii compared to other systems; I can easily name close to half a dozen PS3 games that can reasonably be put up as game of the year from the first half of 2010 alone, the same can't be said of the Wii. "
Wait, so your list wasn't necessairily of GOTYs, but you expect every game I put up to be? Again, that seems like a disingenuous double standard. And no, I do not agree there are 6 PS3 games from the first half that would deserve to be GOTY candidates. Even if I throw my own taste out of the equation, I only see Heavy Rain, GOW III, and possibly Bayonetta being worthy. Seems like a pretty fair matchup with the Wii to me.
" @AgentJ: I didn't fault them for being JRPG's, that is just what they are. I'm merely saying that realistically, Arc Fatalis is probably not even going to be considered for being nominated for game of the year, anywhere. The point was about both the quantity and quality of games on the Wii compared to other systems; I can easily name close to half a dozen PS3 games that can reasonably be put up as game of the year from the first half of 2010 alone, the same can't be said of the Wii. "
Wait, so your list wasn't necessairily of GOTYs, but you expect every game I put up to be? Again, that seems like a disingenuous double standard. And no, I do not agree there are 6 PS3 games from the first half that would deserve to be GOTY candidates. Even if I throw my own taste out of the equation, I only see Heavy Rain, GOW III, and possibly Bayonetta being worthy. Seems like a pretty fair matchup with the Wii to me. "
AgentJ, please read back. If this is going to become a cycle where I have to repeat everything I say then I'm not really interested. I never implied that every game on the Wii list had to be GOTYs and you can stop using the word disingenuous because it hasn't been applicable to anything I've said so far, but rather only to your own misunderstandings.
By the way for PS3 we have Heavy Rain, GoW 3, Bayonetta, Super Street Fighter IV (SFIV was nominated last year), and Battlefield Bad Company 2 (MW2 was nominated last year, and won at certain websites), compared to 2 on the Wii in what is a good year for it (remember, feelings about the Wii are based on previous history with the current status having less of an influence; even so, we see it not keeping up).
" @AgentJ: I didn't fault them for being JRPG's, that is just what they are. I'm merely saying that realistically, Arc Fatalis is probably not even going to be considered for being nominated for game of the year, anywhere. The point was about both the quantity and quality of games on the Wii compared to other systems; I can easily name close to half a dozen PS3 games that can reasonably be put up as game of the year from the first half of 2010 alone, the same can't be said of the Wii. "
Wait, so your list wasn't necessairily of GOTYs, but you expect every game I put up to be? Again, that seems like a disingenuous double standard. And no, I do not agree there are 6 PS3 games from the first half that would deserve to be GOTY candidates. Even if I throw my own taste out of the equation, I only see Heavy Rain, GOW III, and possibly Bayonetta being worthy. Seems like a pretty fair matchup with the Wii to me. "
AgentJ, please read back. If this is going to become a cycle where I have to repeat everything I say then I'm not really interested. I never implied that every game on the Wii list had to be GOTYs and you can stop using the word disingenuous because it isn't applicable to anything I've said so far, other than to your own misunderstandings.
By the way for PS3 we have Heavy Rain, GoW 3, Bayonetta, Super Street Fighter IV (SFIV was nominated last year), and Battlefield Bad Company 2 (MW2 was nominated last year, and won at certain websites), compared to 2 on the Wii in what is a good year for it (remember, feelings about the Wii are based on previous history with the current status having less of an influence; even so, we see it not keeping up). "
Then why are you bothering to point out that Arc Rise Fantasia won't be a GOTY game? It wont. No JRPG is, at least for the next 5 years, regardless of the quality. Bad Company shouldn't be in the running. It's fun, but not worth it. It's because SFIV was nominated last year that SSFIV probably won't be, the same reason any port or remake is never nominated. It's still going to be a good game, and I suppose it could be nominated, but I really doubt it.
By the way, you have mentioned a lot of great PS3 releases this first half of 2010, but from where I'm looking, the second half is bare. There might be some Gran Turismo, probably Mod Nation Racers, and Socom but after that what is there?
WTF, why is anyone arguing about this? Wii's cost about as much a a pack of Mentos now anyway. Why not buy one and let it sit dormant for 2 years and then give it to your mom, so she can buy wii fit and never turn it on, like me and every other normal person on the planet?
I turn the wii on once every 6 months to play the one game I bought for it that year, and then it goes back to its natural state of hibernation. Oh, and every Christmas someone buys me a shitty ass game for it that no one has ever heard of, at least it gives the grand parents something to shop for. Seriously, I'm almost 30, this shit ass monster truck game for a system I don't even keep at my house is not interesting to me. God damnit the wii pisses me off. Wait, what were we talking about?
" If it's that great, why does it need constant justification? "
Because of narrow-minded kids who look at its library for a second or two, notice the lack of HD graphics and shooters (which, as everyone knows, are the only games mature gamers play), and proclaim "the Wii is for kids and old people".
@AgentJ said:
"By the way, you have mentioned a lot of great PS3 releases this first half of 2010, but from where I'm looking, the second half is bare. There might be some Gran Turismo, probably Mod Nation Racers, and Socom but after that what is there? "
I really don't think you should comment on the second half of the year pre-E3.
@AgentJ: I pointed out that Arc Rise Fantasia won't be GOTY to note the sparsity of such titles on the Wii; several can be found on other systems, after Mario Galaxy 2 and maybe Metroid there's nothing else that even comes remotely close. Whether or not SSFIV or BFBC2 are considered remains to be seen, but I think SSFIV offers enough of an improvement over SFIV and BFBC2 offers a fun and unique enough experience from MW2 to be considered as well; MW2 is very similar to MW1 but with some improvements, and it was nominated, and won at some places. So none of those factors really preclude either of them from being nominated, looking at previous patterns.
I picked the first half arbitrarily. I could probably do the second half as well, or the second half of last year, or whenever, but I'm fairly confident that we will get similar results. You can give it a go if you wish but I think I've made my point.
Alright, well if your barrier to entry is games that are plausibly at least as good as the worst games you listed, this is my Wii calender Q1 outlook. Actually, Q1 from this moment right now onward, not even games already released. Certainly not fiscal Q1, because that would be too easy. Actually no, cus Modnation comes out in late May, which is calender Q2 and fiscal Q3. Im sure you knew that, though. Just as you know many of the games you listed span multiple quarters. So from now, March, to May. Let's see what we get.
Cave Story
Red Steel 2
Warioware DIY
Phoenix Wright: Rise from the Ashes
Free Running (platformer)
Sakura Wars
La Mulana (platformer)
Bonk Brink of Extinction
Bomberman Live
Monsteca Corral (lemmings in 3d space)
Military Madness
Monster Hunter Tri
POP Forgotten Sands
Galaxy 2
Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations
Compared to a single console, say, the 360, in the same span.
Just Cause 2
MotoGP
XenoClash port
Bonk
Bomberman Live
Megaman 10
Splinter Cell Conviction
Quantum Theory
Super Street Fighter
Alan Wake
Lost Planet 2
Red Dead Redemption
Split Second
Blur
I will concede mediocre 360/PS3 games get more exposure than mediocre Wii games, but that's because the kind of people who come to game sites tend to care about what something looks like in a still more than the actual game. But I have no reason to believe La Mulana, for example, will be any worse than Dark Void, especially since I love platformers. And you say "well your list makes several arbitrary distinctions and certainly isn't limited to a quarter and the quality and fanfare for a lot of those games is suspect". Exactly. I walked in with a conclusion I was trying to get to from the start, and made sure that I got there. Its called bias.
" Alright, well if your barrier to entry is games that are plausibly at least as good as the worst games you listed, this is my Wii calender Q1 outlook. Actually, Q1 from this moment right now onward, not even games already released. Certainly not fiscal Q1, because that would be too easy. Actually no, cus Modnation comes out in late May, which is calender Q2 and fiscal Q3. Im sure you knew that, though. Just as you know many of the games you listed span multiple quarters. So from now, March, to May. Let's see what we get.
Cave Story
Red Steel 2
Warioware DIY
Phoenix Wright: Rise from the Ashes
Free Running (platformer)
Sakura Wars
La Mulana (platformer)
Bonk Brink of Extinction
Bomberman Live
Monsteca Corral (lemmings in 3d space)
Military Madness
Monster Hunter Tri
POP Forgotten Sands
Galaxy 2
Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations
Compared to a single console, say, the 360, in the same span.
Just Cause 2
MotoGP
XenoClash port
Bonk
Bomberman Live
Megaman 10
Splinter Cell Conviction
Quantum Theory
Super Street Fighter
Alan Wake
Lost Planet 2
Red Dead Redemption
Split Second
Blur
I will concede mediocre 360/PS3 games get more exposure than mediocre Wii games, but that's because the kind of people who come to game sites tend to care about what something looks like in a still more than the actual game. But I have no reason to believe La Mulana, for example, will be any worse than Dark Void, especially since I love platformers. And you say "well your list makes several arbitrary distinctions and certainly isn't limited to a quarter and the quality and fanfare for a lot of those games is suspect". Exactly. I walked in with a conclusion I was trying to get to from the start, and made sure that I got there. Its called bias. "
Are you implying that I'm biased? I'm a hardcore PC gamer and I just made a bunch of lists for consoles. In addition I also reasonably accommodated AgentJ's list without question. Sigh, I've learned that the best way to deal with you is just to ignore you. Enjoy La Mulana.
" @AgentJ: I pointed out that Arc Rise Fantasia won't be GOTY to note the sparsity of such titles on the Wii; several can be found on other systems, after Mario Galaxy 2 and maybe Metroid there's nothing else that even comes remotely close. Whether or not SSFIV or BFBC2 are considered remains to be seen, but I think SSFIV offers enough of an improvement over SFIV and BFBC2 offers a fun and unique enough experience from MW2 to be considered as well; MW2 is very similar to MW1 but with some improvements, and it was nominated, and won at some places. So none of those factors really preclude either of them from being nominated, looking at previous patterns. I picked the first half arbitrarily. I could probably do the second half as well, or the second half of last year, or whenever, but I'm fairly confident that we will get similar results. You can give it a go if you wish but I think I've made my point. "
MW2 was an actual sequel of another game. SSFIV is not a sequel. SFV would be a sequel. Giving SSFIV a GOTY award would be akin to giving a DLC pack a GOTY award (new characters and a few gameplay adjustments). Bad Company (IMO) just isn't a good enough game. I would like to see what other really worthwhile stuff is coming to the PS3 in the second half of 2010 (exclusives please; I probably know about most of the multiplatform stuff).
When you include certain things for one side and conveniently forget about things on the other in order to reach a certain conclusion, yeah, a certain level of bias is implied. You pitted the PS3 and 360 against the Wii and acted like it was a fair comparison, you've been less than subtle about where you stand.
The Wii is a fantastic system, For what it is. For being a family oriented, Peripheral based sytem it does what it does well. And for those who hate it, Play it a little more You will have fun with it, If only for a hour or two at a time.
" When you include certain things for one side and conveniently forget about things on the other in order to reach a certain conclusion, yeah, a certain level of bias is implied. You pitted the PS3 and 360 against the Wii and acted like it was a fair comparison, you've been less than subtle about where you stand. "
The thesis is "The Wii is a Fantastic Console", I have a different thought. Sorry if you've never encountered a situation where people have different views on a subject based on their opinions and facts. Maybe one day you will grow up and stop trolling forums with your constant misreadings and lack of logic. I never pit both the PS3 and 360 on the Wii at once, but I can understand where you may think I did . Your lack of reading skills constitutes 99% of your posts against me.
@AgentJ
said:
" @Geno said:
" @AgentJ: I pointed out that Arc Rise Fantasia won't be GOTY to note the sparsity of such titles on the Wii; several can be found on other systems, after Mario Galaxy 2 and maybe Metroid there's nothing else that even comes remotely close. Whether or not SSFIV or BFBC2 are considered remains to be seen, but I think SSFIV offers enough of an improvement over SFIV and BFBC2 offers a fun and unique enough experience from MW2 to be considered as well; MW2 is very similar to MW1 but with some improvements, and it was nominated, and won at some places. So none of those factors really preclude either of them from being nominated, looking at previous patterns. I picked the first half arbitrarily. I could probably do the second half as well, or the second half of last year, or whenever, but I'm fairly confident that we will get similar results. You can give it a go if you wish but I think I've made my point. "
MW2 was an actual sequel of another game. SSFIV is not a sequel. SFV would be a sequel. Giving SSFIV a GOTY award would be akin to giving a DLC pack a GOTY award (new characters and a few gameplay adjustments). Bad Company (IMO) just isn't a good enough game. I would like to see what other really worthwhile stuff is coming to the PS3 in the second half of 2010 (exclusives please; I probably know about most of the multiplatform stuff). "
Not all exclusives, but not having to be necessarily so anyway, PS3 continues the trend in the second half of 2010 with Gran Turismo 5, Dead Space 2, True Crime, Crysis 2, SOCOM, Fallout New Vegas, Rage, Last Guardian, and L.A. Noire just to name a few.
" The Wii is a fantastic system, For what it is. For being a family oriented, Peripheral based sytem it does what it does well. And for those who hate it, Play it a little more You will have fun with it, If only for a hour or two at a time. "
I completely agree with this, just don't try to compare it to the other consoles until it gets it stuff straight. I just want you to understand, I personally do not own a Wii, but my room mate does and I have had alot of fun playing Mario Galaxy - Zelda - Silent Hill - House of the dead 2-3 and a couple of other random party games, I have fun with it but besides the occasional somewhat decent game none of it could convince me to spend 250 (200 with the recent price drop) on this console it just doesn't have enough good games coming out on a constant time frame and it just lacks to many features for me to even mess with it.
" If it's that great, why does it need constant justification? "
Because of narrow-minded kids who look at its library for a second or two, notice the lack of HD graphics and shooters (which, as everyone knows, are the only games mature gamers play), and proclaim "the Wii is for kids and old people".
That's not really their fault though, that's exactly who Nintendo are marketing it too. And fair play it's done them really well and they've sold a shit-ton of units. But the fact is I'm a 'mature gamer' as are my friends. We all bought a Wii and now the only people who play it are our kids, or our parents with our kids. It's a great entry level system for people that have never played a games console before, Nintendo knows this and that's the market they are trying to capitalise on. I can't understand why people would fight to justify it as something other than a fantastic sales decision.
" If it's that great, why does it need constant justification? "
Because of narrow-minded kids who look at its library for a second or two, notice the lack of HD graphics and shooters (which, as everyone knows, are the only games mature gamers play), and proclaim "the Wii is for kids and old people".
That's not really their fault though, that's exactly who Nintendo are marketing it too. And fair play it's done them really well and they've sold a shit-ton of units. But the fact is I'm a 'mature gamer' as are my friends. We all bought a Wii and now the only people who play it are our kids, or our parents with our kids. It's a great entry level system for people that have never played a games console before, Nintendo knows this and that's the market they are trying to capitalise on. I can't understand why people would fight to justify it as something other than a fantastic sales decision. "
Because while Nintendo are marketing it towards the casual market, it has a good number of excellent hardcore games. You say only your kids and parents use it, but why is that? Why don't you use it? Why don't you play Super Mario Galaxy, or Muramasa: The Demon Blade, or Zack & Wiki, or any of the other great games? You can't ignore the games, and then say "I never play on my Wii; therefore, it's not a great console".
" If it's that great, why does it need constant justification? "
Because of narrow-minded kids who look at its library for a second or two, notice the lack of HD graphics and shooters (which, as everyone knows, are the only games mature gamers play), and proclaim "the Wii is for kids and old people".
That's not really their fault though, that's exactly who Nintendo are marketing it too. And fair play it's done them really well and they've sold a shit-ton of units. But the fact is I'm a 'mature gamer' as are my friends. We all bought a Wii and now the only people who play it are our kids, or our parents with our kids. It's a great entry level system for people that have never played a games console before, Nintendo knows this and that's the market they are trying to capitalise on. I can't understand why people would fight to justify it as something other than a fantastic sales decision. "
Because while Nintendo are marketing it towards the casual market, it has a good number of excellent hardcore games. You say only your kids and parents use it, but why is that? Why don't you use it? Why don't you play Super Mario Galaxy, or Muramasa: The Demon Blade, or Zack & Wiki, or any of the other great games? You can't ignore the games, and then say "I never play on my Wii; therefore, it's not a great console"."
I don't think it's a bad console at all. But I can guarantee at no point in it's design did Nintendo ever consider selling it to '30-somethings'. What's the point? The other two have that market sewn up. It's not that I'm a 'Hardcore Gamer' or that I'm ignoring the few titles on it that might tickle my fancy, it's simply the fact that I am clearly not Nintendo's market audience. I massively respect the fact that they have opened up this well of un-tapped revenue, but I refuse to concede that should show interest in something that was never designed for me.
" If it's that great, why does it need constant justification? "
Because of narrow-minded kids who look at its library for a second or two, notice the lack of HD graphics and shooters (which, as everyone knows, are the only games mature gamers play), and proclaim "the Wii is for kids and old people".
That's not really their fault though, that's exactly who Nintendo are marketing it too. And fair play it's done them really well and they've sold a shit-ton of units. But the fact is I'm a 'mature gamer' as are my friends. We all bought a Wii and now the only people who play it are our kids, or our parents with our kids. It's a great entry level system for people that have never played a games console before, Nintendo knows this and that's the market they are trying to capitalise on. I can't understand why people would fight to justify it as something other than a fantastic sales decision. "
Because while Nintendo are marketing it towards the casual market, it has a good number of excellent hardcore games. You say only your kids and parents use it, but why is that? Why don't you use it? Why don't you play Super Mario Galaxy, or Muramasa: The Demon Blade, or Zack & Wiki, or any of the other great games? You can't ignore the games, and then say "I never play on my Wii; therefore, it's not a great console"."
I don't think it's a bad console at all. But I can guarantee at no point in it's design did Nintendo ever consider selling it to '30-somethings'. What's the point? The other two have that market sewn up. It's not that I'm a 'Hardcore Gamer' or that I'm ignoring the few titles on it that might tickle my fancy, it's simply the fact that I am clearly not Nintendo's market audience. I massively respect the fact that they have opened up this well of un-tapped revenue, but I refuse to concede that should show interest in something that was never designed for me. "
So you're discrediting something you'd probably enjoy a great deal because you aren't part of the target audience? Why would you do that, man? It's just... stupid, you know? If you think you'll like something, whether or not it's aimed at you shouldn't matter.
And even if that does matter to you for some weird reason, there are still Wii games aimed at people like you. Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories and are three great examples of games aimed at 20/30-something core gamers, and Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl and New Super Mario Bros.(as well as most other Nintendo products) are designed specifically to appeal to everyone, casual and hardcore alike.
" GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONSOLE WARS! SAILOR OLDSCHOOL SAILOR AJENTJ SAILOR DBZ SAILOR EVILSBANE WE WILL FIGHT FOR OF OUR OWN RIGHT TO HAVE THE CONSOLE REIGN OVER ALL! "
Please don't include me in this. I don't consider the Wii better than other consoles. Just equal.
" What if we only bothered to get a 20 gig hard drive? "
Just buy a new one for the low low price of $400 or however much they cost. "
Hrm, upgrade for 400 dollars more than what I paid for the one I have now, when the one I have now is only half full... I think I'll put up with the disc drive noise.
I have a 20gig myself, I can install one game at a time and it suits me ok...ish. My fans are going crazy on me though, even with the install they sound like vacuum cleaners at times.
That was pretty cool Godwind. I love my goddamn Wii. My Xbox 360 will go months on end with no play time. But hey, that's just me. I love them all, them beautiful, beautiful games. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't want more from my little motion box.
" I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my 360. Seriously, it's loud. "
Install you games, dude. Install your games. :P "
What if we only bothered to get a 20 gig hard drive? "
Unless you've got tons of Arcade games, you should be able to install at least two games on it. So just install whatever it is you're playing at the moment, and then, when you're finished with it and have something new to play, uninstall it.
Damn kids. I go out for the evening, I ask you not to throw a big party at the House of Wii, and this happens. Look at all the damage you have done. What the hell is that on the rug? I expect you all to clean this mess up. Damn kids.
@dbz1995 said:
" GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONSOLE WARS! SAILOR OLDSCHOOL SAILOR AJENTJ SAILOR DBZ SAILOR EVILSBANE WE WILL FIGHT FOR OF OUR OWN RIGHT TO HAVE THE CONSOLE REIGN OVER ALL! "
I will not be happy until you photoshop me as Sailor Moon I tells you.
" Watched the whole first part. I can assume you will not be covering software sales in relation to hardware sales nor the common demographic that is drawn to the Wii? "
1) The Software sales do not equate to the quality of the product. It represents the popularity of the product. 2) The Demographic doesn't concern me because it has nothing to do with the quality of a product. Demographics are for people trying to chase sales.
It demonstrates that third party developers have a hard time selling games for the wii. It shows that the wii is not a profitable console when it comes to non nintendo products. The demographic SHOULD concern you as as it reflects the market that is currently being fed to buy Nintendo.
@Bones8677 said:
" I'm not gonna lie, there's a lot of stuff you said in that video that I determinately disagree with. Also, mii support is one of the reasons why the console is great, seriously? "
Disagree with what? That is hardly a statement of any kind. Probably because you have nothing to say about it in reality.
Feel free to explain why Mii's don't enhance the quality of the product.
Disagree that Bully and Resident Evil 4 are the best on the wii, and that SD cards and Miis are what make the wii better than others. Do you seriously expect me to believe that miis contribute anything other than wastes of time? Seriously? That would be like saying Big Head mode is what makes Goldeneye the best. Forgive me if I'm not willing to accept that making a 3D version of a pre-school drawing is what makes a great console.
@Bones8677 said:
" Also why are you even defending the Wii, when Nintendo clearly doesn't give a crap about you? If they did, then they would release a steady number of quality titles throughout the year like with the other consoles rather than spitting shovel ware designed to make a quick buck? "
I wouldn't call the video I made a "defense for the Wii." As for "Nintendo doesn't give a crap" is silly since they make products designed to be sold to people. If Nintendo didn't care, the consumer would likely also not care in return. I don't know where you get the "shovelware" statement from because Nintendo has been releasing games year after year which critics have been acceptable to. I will say that Nintendo had a weak year in 2009 but I believe that Nintendo has been delivering strong content for every year and for the years to come. "
If it's not a defense then you should also be looking over it's major faults otherwise you are creating a one sided propagandist video. Nintendo doesn't give a crap because it's making no effort to appeal to third party developers, which is what a console needs to survive. It has the wii motion plus, but how many games encorporate it? Why do third party developers have such a hard time making wii games while first party games succeed? Because Nintendo only cares about their own products and not those of others.
Consumers also don't care because nintendo doesn't care, you wanna know who these consumers are? The PS3, 360 people. The only reason why we do care is because of people like you, who blindly accept anything Nintendo says or does as divine will.
The amount of shovelware compared to the quality games of Nintendo is so unbalanced it's pointless to debate. Just becazuse the Wii has some perfectly good games, does not outway the mountains of crap that is pumped out onto the system each week.
Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Sega and Capcom are doing alright on the Wii. Its all relative. Kind of like the Xbox is doing good if you ignore the Wii, a lot of third party Nintendo games did alright if you ignore the 1st party numbers. Then you consider the lower development costs and that they cost the same at retail as games that were more expensive to make so they're making far more on a per game basis. DS games at this point can make a profit on 30,000 sales. Unlike gamers who use a lot of obtuse logic to determine how well something did(investors too), publishers are looking at what the game made in net which is why a lot of publishers that "failed" on the Wii are continuing to make Wii games. A Wii game failure is far less catastrophic than say a Bionic Commando failure.
" I have a Wii, a PS3, and an average gaming pc. My ps3 gets used almost every day, the pc I use to game at least once a week averaged out, and my Wii hasn't been turned on in 3 months. Topic Fail. "
@ryanwho: Give it time, if those publishers are doing this poorly on the wii, eventually they will pull all resources away from the wii entirely. Also have you considered the idea that they are still making wii games because of contractual obligations with Nintendo?
" @ryanwho: Give it time, if those publishers are doing this poorly on the wii, eventually they will pull all resources away from the wii entirely. Also have you considered the idea that they are still making wii games because of contractual obligations with Nintendo? "
They're continuing because some of their games have done 'well enough'. Sonic games do better on the Wii than anywhere else. And its pretty clear Capcom has their Wii game mojo figured out. These are tangible things, assuming this is all contractual is borderline conspiracy mongering. Zack and Wiki did bad, Dead Space Extraction did bad, Mad World didn't do great, No More Heroes didn't do great. But when you look at what the games are doing, really, they would do bad on any system. You can't blame the Wii when games that are incredibly niche by any measure sell niche numbers. I remember a lot of people who seemed to think GTA Chinatown only did bad because it was on the DS, then they ate crow a couple months later when the PSP version did even worse. Some games just don't appeal to a large audience, and the Wii, ironically, has a lot of those hyperniche games which you could argue makes it more "hardcore", whatever the hell that means. You don't see anyone trying games like Muramasa or Little King's Story on the 360.
" You know, I went through all 700+ Wii games on Gamefly and made an excel spreadsheet with the Wii games I'm interested in playing. (I've been wanting a Wii for awhile now... not sure why.) Anyway, there are about 30 quality games. Out of over 700. "
You should make a list about it. I've been trying to find games that would appeal to me on that system. I only have a little over 10 games. "
" Watched the whole first part. I can assume you will not be covering software sales in relation to hardware sales nor the common demographic that is drawn to the Wii? "
1) The Software sales do not equate to the quality of the product. It represents the popularity of the product. 2) The Demographic doesn't concern me because it has nothing to do with the quality of a product. Demographics are for people trying to chase sales.
It demonstrates that third party developers have a hard time selling games for the wii. It shows that the wii is not a profitable console when it comes to non nintendo products. The demographic SHOULD concern you as as it reflects the market that is currently being fed to buy Nintendo
It demonstrates nothing. People don't buy products because they fit into a certain demographic. People buy products because it is of their interest. What you are advocating isn't the quality of a Wii, but sales, which isn't related to the whether the Wii is a good console or not. If Third parties can't make a profit, so be it.
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" I'm not gonna lie, there's a lot of stuff you said in that video that I determinately disagree with. Also, mii support is one of the reasons why the console is great, seriously? "
Disagree with what? That is hardly a statement of any kind. Probably because you have nothing to say about it in reality.
Feel free to explain why Mii's don't enhance the quality of the product.
Disagree that Bully and Resident Evil 4 are the best on the wii, and that SD cards and Miis are what make the wii better than others. Do you seriously expect me to believe that miis contribute anything other than wastes of time? Seriously? That would be like saying Big Head mode is what makes Goldeneye the best. Forgive me if I'm not willing to accept that making a 3D version of a pre-school drawing is what makes a great console. "
Please explain why Bully and Resident Evil 4 aren't better on the Wii. Please do. How about some reasoning behind that statement? I already articulated my ideas on the issues. You have yet state why they aren't better on the Wii. Oh, I know why. You haven't played the games on the Wii.
I never said anything about SD cards and Miis making the WIi better than competing consoles, did I? I've only suggested that improves the quality of the Wii. In fact, if you watched the video, I would explain that the PS3 had the most versatile set up.
Do you seriously want to suggest that Miis are a waste of time when we are talking about video games? Videos games are meant to waste and pass the time. Also, Big Head mode from Golden Eye doesn't equate to a Mii. Big head mode game characters large heads while Miis allow for customizable characters. I never said that Miis made the Wii great, it is something that improves the quality of the Wii.
Do you think Blu-Ray makes the PS3 great? It doesn't. But it does make for a great feature for the PS3. That is a huge difference.
@Bones8677 said:
" If it's not a defense then you should also be looking over it's major faults otherwise you are creating aone sided propagandist video."
What the hell is wrong with you? "Creating a one sided propagandist video" is one of the silliest statement I have ever seen on Giantbomb. Its fucking video games, not a political movement. The nature of the video I made is an informative video, not a persuasion video. Do I gain anything if someone buys a console thanks to this video? No I don't. What did I gain? The experience of making the video.
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Nintendo doesn't give a crap because it's making no effort to appeal to third party developers, which is what a console needs to survive. "
No, a console needs momentum and stream of consumers willing to pay for content to survive. To make sales year after year after year to survive.
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It has the wii motion plus, but how many games encorporate it?"
It hasn't even been out for a year. You need to wait for games to be developed for it. But Hell, I can already name some games. -Wii Sports Resort -Zangeki -Virtua Tennis -Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 -NHL 2k10
There are a few other games that use it but you should get the point by now. There is a total of 21 games that support Wii Motion Plus.
@Bones8677 said:
" Why do third party developers have such a hard time making wii games while first party games succeed? Because Nintendo only cares about their own products and not those of others. "
Wrong answer. It is the consumers decision whether a game should succeed or not. Even Nintendo's products have failed to sell well. Games like Captain Rainbow, Battalion Wars 2, and Excitebots all failed to be successful, being significantly lower than third party sales. In the mean time, Nintendo has gone out of their way to help advertise products for third party developers and co-develop games with third parties.
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Consumers also don't care because nintendo doesn't care, you wanna know who these consumers are? The PS3, 360 people. "
Eh what? PS3 360 people are Nintendo's consumers? That is fucking stupid. PS3 people are Sony's customers. 360 people are Microsoft's customers. Wii People are Nintendo's customers. I don't know where you could possibly derive this batshit logic from. It isn't even logical. Its just retarded.
@Bones8677 said:
" The only reason why we do care is because of people like you, who blindly accept anything Nintendo says or does as divine will. "
You need a fucking life man. That you're interest in Nintendo is directly dependent on the existence of other people. I would hardly say that I "blindly accept" what Nintendo says or does is "divine will." Besides the fact that I find that insulting because you believe that a corporation can emulate the wisdom of God or Jesus Christ, I would hardly suggest that I am devoted to Nintendo. For shits and giggles, I'll give you a list of games I didn't buy from Nintendo.
Wii Play New Super Mario Bros. Wii Mario Party 8 Animal Crossing: City Folk Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree Wii Music WarioWare: Smooth Moves Mario Strikers Charged Pokémon Battle Revolution Mario Super Sluggers New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis Endless Ocean Excite Truck Wario Land: Shake It! Donkey Kong Barrel Blast New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat New Play Control! Pikmin New Play Control! Pikmin 2 Endless Ocean: Blue World ExciteBots: Trick Racing
"Oh noes. My beloved Nintendo corporation lost $1050 from me. I'll make it up to you Mr. Iwata. Just don't punish me with your divine words and will."
@Bones8677 said:
" The amount of shovelware compared to the quality games of Nintendo is so unbalanced it's pointless to debate. Just becazuse the Wii has some perfectly good games, does not outway the mountains of crap that is pumped out onto the system each week. "
No one is forced to buy "Shovelware." The fact that you admitted that there is "good games" on the Wii is an obvious statement that there is a reason to purchase it, which is for those excellent games people have been squawking about.
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