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Super Street Fighter IV, I wish I could love you.

Where is it?  The love that I felt for Street Fighter II back on the SNES?  For the Alpha series?  Third Strike?  What the hell is it that's preventing my interest in Super Street Fighter IV from rising above a passing interest born mostly out of nostalgia for the games of the past?  This shouldn't be happening.
 
The passion just isn't there.  The desire I felt to play games like BlazBlue and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom just isn't there.  I liked the original Street Fighter IV well enough, but to think that I could ever be competitive at that game was an outlandish thought.  I just didn't have the time or energy to master the intricacies of competitive play like some do.  While that still holds true, my lack of time to practice and become competitive didn't dull my interest in BB or TvC.  And this feeling really blows, because I love what Street Fighter is; there's just little joy in it for me beyond playing through the arcade mode on a low difficulty so I can see everyone's endings.
 
Maybe it's my general lack of competition?  I don't really have any interest in playing online; certainly not after the constant internet belligerence that led me to giving up on the online portion of the original Street Fighter IV.  It's hard to find anyone willing to play when seemingly nine out of ten matches drop out the moment they see my three-digit ranking point total, and then the one guy that does stick around invariably picks Ken the vast majority of the time.  Great.  Awesome.  Really.  And I'd love to play matches against friends sitting right next to me, except the number of friends I currently have with any interest in Street Fighter or fight games in general is fairly low, and they aren't always available for a visit.  I know Super Street Fighter IV has a much improved online component, but after my experience with the users of the previous version, I think I'd have more fun beating up cars.
 
Maybe its the community itself?  This is not a knock against those that play fighting games competitively.  It's just that you guys are by and large too hardcore for my blood.  I can read input charts just fine and follow a conversation on strategy without trouble, but a lot of you guys just take things to a level I'll never reach.  You guys are planning your strategies on how to take on highly-skilled Ryu players.  Me?  I'm happy just seeing Juli pop up in T. Hawk's ending.
 
Maybe the simple fact is that Street Fighter as a game just isn't for me anymore.  I hold more interest in the characters and the various crazy storylines than I do in achieving anything even remotely resembling Daigo-level wizardry.  Despite all the crap the genre gets for bad storylines and storytelling, the story is really one of the things that keeps my interest.  The fact that BlazBlue made an effort to go beyond the typical arcade mode opening/ending fluff and actually tell a full narrative with an established ending makes that game the more interesting one.  And one of the things that bothers me, and that makes me feel like the genre is being held back, is the generally dismissive attitude towards fighting game stories; people just write them off without a second thought.  And yet, I just stated earlier that one of the best moments of Super Street Fighter IV for me was a cameo by a semi-obscure Alpha 3 character that was my main back in the day.
 
Man, this has turned into rambling that is bordering on the incoherent.  Perhaps I should just leave it here and let the flood of tl;drs commence.

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Where is it?  The love that I felt for Street Fighter II back on the SNES?  For the Alpha series?  Third Strike?  What the hell is it that's preventing my interest in Super Street Fighter IV from rising above a passing interest born mostly out of nostalgia for the games of the past?  This shouldn't be happening.
 
The passion just isn't there.  The desire I felt to play games like BlazBlue and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom just isn't there.  I liked the original Street Fighter IV well enough, but to think that I could ever be competitive at that game was an outlandish thought.  I just didn't have the time or energy to master the intricacies of competitive play like some do.  While that still holds true, my lack of time to practice and become competitive didn't dull my interest in BB or TvC.  And this feeling really blows, because I love what Street Fighter is; there's just little joy in it for me beyond playing through the arcade mode on a low difficulty so I can see everyone's endings.
 
Maybe it's my general lack of competition?  I don't really have any interest in playing online; certainly not after the constant internet belligerence that led me to giving up on the online portion of the original Street Fighter IV.  It's hard to find anyone willing to play when seemingly nine out of ten matches drop out the moment they see my three-digit ranking point total, and then the one guy that does stick around invariably picks Ken the vast majority of the time.  Great.  Awesome.  Really.  And I'd love to play matches against friends sitting right next to me, except the number of friends I currently have with any interest in Street Fighter or fight games in general is fairly low, and they aren't always available for a visit.  I know Super Street Fighter IV has a much improved online component, but after my experience with the users of the previous version, I think I'd have more fun beating up cars.
 
Maybe its the community itself?  This is not a knock against those that play fighting games competitively.  It's just that you guys are by and large too hardcore for my blood.  I can read input charts just fine and follow a conversation on strategy without trouble, but a lot of you guys just take things to a level I'll never reach.  You guys are planning your strategies on how to take on highly-skilled Ryu players.  Me?  I'm happy just seeing Juli pop up in T. Hawk's ending.
 
Maybe the simple fact is that Street Fighter as a game just isn't for me anymore.  I hold more interest in the characters and the various crazy storylines than I do in achieving anything even remotely resembling Daigo-level wizardry.  Despite all the crap the genre gets for bad storylines and storytelling, the story is really one of the things that keeps my interest.  The fact that BlazBlue made an effort to go beyond the typical arcade mode opening/ending fluff and actually tell a full narrative with an established ending makes that game the more interesting one.  And one of the things that bothers me, and that makes me feel like the genre is being held back, is the generally dismissive attitude towards fighting game stories; people just write them off without a second thought.  And yet, I just stated earlier that one of the best moments of Super Street Fighter IV for me was a cameo by a semi-obscure Alpha 3 character that was my main back in the day.
 
Man, this has turned into rambling that is bordering on the incoherent.  Perhaps I should just leave it here and let the flood of tl;drs commence.

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Same here. Well, kind of. My biggest problem is I only have a 360 and the controller just doesn't work well enough to pull stuff off. I'm not about to shell out a whole bunch of money to buy a stick either. Online gaming has yet to pull me in. It's too hard to do anything without getting hugely frustrated. I'm no good at shooters and only okay at fighting games. If only there could be an online Mega Man X...

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I do hate Ken quite a bit.

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I'll agree with you on the opinion that you are more interested in the wacky storylines and presentation.
 
Also, when someone says they "main" with somebody, or call the sf4 "vanilla", I want to smash their face in. Sorry, that has nothing to do with your blog post but I needed to get it off my chest.

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@Gabriel said:
" I do hate Ken quite a bit. "
I sold the game after I went online and got 50 matches where 90% where kens. And I got yelled in the few matches I won. 
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@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @Gabriel said:
" I do hate Ken quite a bit. "
I sold the game after I went online and got 50 matches where 90% where kens. And I got yelled in the few matches I won.  "
you shouldn't have, i never see kens now. but i suck at the game. i see a million sagats and they kick my ass without a thought

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Alpha 3 cameo?? I'm totally heading into the arcade to find out who!
 
Also I agree with the enjoyability factor for fighting game stories. It's what had me become such a devoted Tekken fan from the original to Tekken 5. And the original Soulblade had a well weaved storyline even going as far as to give you multiple endings per character.
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Eh, to each his own. Can't say I agree with him, how about you Zach? 
 
I really can't see your point of view though about online competition. I haven't fought more than 2 or 3 kens the whole time during ranked matches, and I've only had 2 or 3 people drop from matches in vanilla SFIV, none in Super. Everyone starts from where you are, I didn't even get into Street Fighter until IV came out. SFIV is a much simpler game than any you have mentioned, the competitive levels of those games in their prime is like gibberish to me. That said, if you have no passion for competition (which would be evident since you're not making effort to play matches with people here) then fighting games in general aren't for you. 
 
I enjoy the cheesy story sequences and character personalities, but the magic of Street Fighter is it's also an amazing fighting game.

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@lordofultima: Then you obviously had better fortune than I when it came to playing online.  All I can say is that online for me was, for the most part, a blur of Kens and dropped matches, with the occasional insult sent to my inbox.
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@MormonWarrior: I don't think that the "controllers aren't anywhere near as good as sticks" argument holds any water.  My stick broke not too long ago so I switched back to the controller until I get the funds to replace/repair it and I found that combos were WAY easier to pull off, by and large.  Maybe it's the fact that I grew up on controllers and console gaming, but the only big advantage that the stick has over a controller/pad that I can see is that you can play on a stick for hours and hours and your thumb won't wear down to the bone.
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@yakov456 said:

" I'll agree with you on the opinion that you are more interested in the wacky storylines and presentation.  Also, when someone says they "main" with somebody, or call the sf4 "vanilla", I want to smash their face in. Sorry, that has nothing to do with your blog post but I needed to get it off my chest. "

What's wrong with "main" and "vanilla"?
 
 

About the topic, I actually feel the opposite.  SSF4 is the next SF game that I felt excited about and became addicted to since the original SFII, even more than SF4.  Online, I still face a lot of Ken users, but rather than just complaining about the Kens I face, I just fight them.  Besides, it's not the character I'm really fighting against, it's the player, I want to beat the player, not Ken.  And so what if they use Ken, I use different characters so I can try out more stuff against Ken users coz he's a very versatile character, and it feels good to beat them badly just to make them realize that they're a crappy Ken user.  If they win, then I applaud them for being good, as a player. :)
 
About the story, yeah, SF4 stories are cheesy and weird, but again, SF4 was made to cater to what fans loved about SFII, and that includes that cheesy and wacky storylines hehe!  It's fun though. :)
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@lordofultima said:
" Eh, to each his own. Can't say I agree with him, how about you Zach?  I really can't see your point of view though about online competition. I haven't fought more than 2 or 3 kens the whole time during ranked matches, and I've only had 2 or 3 people drop from matches in vanilla SFIV, none in Super. Everyone starts from where you are, I didn't even get into Street Fighter until IV came out. SFIV is a much simpler game than any you have mentioned, the competitive levels of those games in their prime is like gibberish to me. That said, if you have no passion for competition (which would be evident since you're not making effort to play matches with people here) then fighting games in general aren't for you.  I enjoy the cheesy story sequences and character personalities, but the magic of Street Fighter is it's also an amazing fighting game. "
Right, because 1 frame links and 3-input roman cancels are so easy..  On a purely technical level, blazblue is an easier game to play-- it just has longer combos.  With it's input system however, basically all moves are min. 4 frame links or something.  I also have issues with SFIV's seemingly random choice of input selection and auto-sensing reversals.  At least when I play SSF2HDR I can tell what's going to happen when I do it.
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@newt said:

" @lordofultima said:

" Eh, to each his own. Can't say I agree with him, how about you Zach?  I really can't see your point of view though about online competition. I haven't fought more than 2 or 3 kens the whole time during ranked matches, and I've only had 2 or 3 people drop from matches in vanilla SFIV, none in Super. Everyone starts from where you are, I didn't even get into Street Fighter until IV came out. SFIV is a much simpler game than any you have mentioned, the competitive levels of those games in their prime is like gibberish to me. That said, if you have no passion for competition (which would be evident since you're not making effort to play matches with people here) then fighting games in general aren't for you.  I enjoy the cheesy story sequences and character personalities, but the magic of Street Fighter is it's also an amazing fighting game. "

Right, because 1 frame links and 3-input roman cancels are so easy..  On a purely technical level, blazblue is an easier game to play-- it just has longer combos.  With it's input system however, basically all moves are min. 4 frame links or something.  I also have issues with SFIV's seemingly random choice of input selection and auto-sensing reversals.  At least when I play SSF2HDR I can tell what's going to happen when I do it. "
Here's something, I don't even know what roman cancels are. BlazBlue is not an easier game to play, there's more to a game than OOOOH COMBOS. Plenty of people get by on fundamentals of Street Fighter and not combos, the same can't be said about BlazBlue, there are no fundamentals. Also, HD Remix I get more fireball vs. uppercut mistakes, so I think as a whole SFIV is much more lenient...don't know why anyone would argue otherwise. 
 
Managing barrier, guarding, mid-combo tech rolls, bursts, and 3 super meters at the same time while everyone is flying around on the screen. Yeah sounds hella friendly right? And you're dealing with a much more serious high/low mixup with overheads and low attacks happening frequently, and it's all happening at a much faster pace. Yeah don't know about that BlazBlue analogy. I can pick Ryu and win with some fireballs, footsies, and an uppercut.
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@lordofultima said:
" @newt said:

" @lordofultima said:

" Eh, to each his own. Can't say I agree with him, how about you Zach?  I really can't see your point of view though about online competition. I haven't fought more than 2 or 3 kens the whole time during ranked matches, and I've only had 2 or 3 people drop from matches in vanilla SFIV, none in Super. Everyone starts from where you are, I didn't even get into Street Fighter until IV came out. SFIV is a much simpler game than any you have mentioned, the competitive levels of those games in their prime is like gibberish to me. That said, if you have no passion for competition (which would be evident since you're not making effort to play matches with people here) then fighting games in general aren't for you.  I enjoy the cheesy story sequences and character personalities, but the magic of Street Fighter is it's also an amazing fighting game. "

Right, because 1 frame links and 3-input roman cancels are so easy..  On a purely technical level, blazblue is an easier game to play-- it just has longer combos.  With it's input system however, basically all moves are min. 4 frame links or something.  I also have issues with SFIV's seemingly random choice of input selection and auto-sensing reversals.  At least when I play SSF2HDR I can tell what's going to happen when I do it. "
Here's something, I don't even know what roman cancels are. BlazBlue is not an easier game to play, there's more to a game than OOOOH COMBOS. Plenty of people get by on fundamentals of Street Fighter and not combos, the same can't be said about BlazBlue, there are no fundamentals. Also, HD Remix I get more fireball vs. uppercut mistakes, so I think as a whole SFIV is much more lenient...don't know why anyone would argue otherwise.  Managing barrier, guarding, mid-combo tech rolls, bursts, and 3 super meters at the same time while everyone is flying around on the screen. Yeah sounds hella friendly right? And you're dealing with a much more serious high/low mixup with overheads and low attacks happening frequently, and it's all happening at a much faster pace. Yeah don't know about that BlazBlue analogy. I can pick Ryu and win with some fireballs, footsies, and an uppercut. "
How much BlazBlue have you actually played, out of curiosity?  It's bizarre to suggest that the game doesn't have fundamentals.
 
Also, I can say for certain that 95 percent of the time, when I try throwing fireballs in SSFIV, I end up throwing uppercuts instead.  And regarding frieballs, footsies, and uppercuts, from a layman's view, that's basically what a large chunk of the SSFIV cast comes down to.  A lot of characters whose three primary special techniques are based around a fireball/uppercut/kick trio that all use similar motion inputs between characters.  Does that make the game in theory easier to learn than a game like BlazBlue?  Yes.  Does it necessarily make it the more interesting of the two?  Not really.
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@Chokobo:  If the 360 had a better d-pad, I would totally prefer it over an arcade stick or something like that. I love the PlayStation d-pad for fighters - especially Tekken. I can hardly imagine playing that on the 360. Guess I'll find out when I Gamefly it in a bit.
 
But really, I'm totally a gamepad fan. I don't think shooters feel better with keyboard/mouse setup and I feel like the majority of games simply work better with a controller. Except for RTS. They still haven't figured out those yet for consoles.
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I'm the opposite. I have no desire to ever play through arcade mode, except for the time where I beat it with Zangeif on the hardest difficulty by spamming the lariat over and over again. Fighting Game stories generally *(always)* are disjointed messes of suck, and watching a confusing 30 second anime cutscene is not a worthy price for the 5 minutes of brain dead agony that arcade mode creates. I unlocked Seth in vanilla SFIV, and that was about as much as I could take of that.
 
On the other end, I am far more interested in competing online this time around, mostly because I have gotten to the point where I don't feel embarrassed by my skill level and there are plenty of people on these forums who are willing to play (although they are all still better than me).

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This topic is full of absolute failure. You disappoint me.

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Yeah I hate Ken also, only fucking scrubs use him. Damn cheaters throwing from half screen, I am going to report them all. Disgusting.

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@Hailinel:  Once you say this 
 
"  I hold more interest in the characters and the various crazy storylines" 
 
You should know your answer.  The simple fact if you still can't appreciate the gameplay of Street Fighter games you just need to move on.  There are a lot of games that you might keep interest but this one you just don't have it anymore.  For me I play it for the gameplay, the ending's are fun to have but there never worth playing if you don't like the actual gameplay.
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I have had quite a different experience online. I've only had 2  or 3 disconnects in all my matches online. And even though there are a lot of flowchart Kens online, the best part of this game (so far) was getting to the point where I could beat them (most of the time :-P ). Very satisfying.

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@Napalm said:
" This topic is full of absolute failure. You disappoint me. "
But I've succeeded in disappointing you, which means that this topic is not actually full of failure.  But if that's the case, then what can you be disappointed about, if success in fact exists in this topic?
 
@Stang said:
" Yeah I hate Ken also, only fucking scrubs use him. Damn cheaters throwing from half screen, I am going to report them all. Disgusting. "

I don't hate Ken.  I just got sick of going online when it honestly seemed like he was the only character I'd ever face on a consistent basis.
 
@agentboolen said:
" @Hailinel:  Once you say this  "  I hold more interest in the characters and the various crazy storylines"  You should know your answer.  The simple fact if you still can't appreciate the gameplay of Street Fighter games you just need to move on.  There are a lot of games that you might keep interest but this one you just don't have it anymore.  For me I play it for the gameplay, the ending's are fun to have but there never worth playing if you don't like the actual gameplay. "

The gameplay is fine; it's fun.  It just doesn't have the same spark for me that it did back in the day, which makes it very difficult for me to maintain the interest that I'd like to have.
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you know whats funny? I never gave a crap about Street Fighter until 4 came out. It really seemed easier then the other ones.
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Normals and poking can get very frustrating for me, I understand they are a huge part of the game but playing online and fighting against poke, poke, turtle style is sometimes just not entertaining win or lose.  Overall though I have little desire to play this alone/online when there are so many great single player games I haven't yet picked up.  To me though SF and any fighter for that matter are 100% more fun when I'm actually playing against my buddies in person.  That is the real draw for me, and without that face to face interaction fighters are just not as enjoyable, there's also something about having a crowd watching you fight that brings out the best.  Awesome game though, amazingly balanced, and Capcom still rules.
EDIT: 3rd strike is still better :)

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@Stang said:
" Yeah I hate Ken also, only fucking scrubs use him. Damn cheaters throwing from half screen, I am going to report them all. Disgusting. "
Lol.  Though, you have to admit, How many scrub kens does one play in a day vs scrub Rose's?  Aside from myself, I can't remember many Rose's online, and when I do fight one, they are usually decent enough to know some basic tactics.  I'm just doing a little character comparison between me and you, cuz I know YOU don't have a scrubby Ken, so when people talk about how much they hate Ken, I'm sure you get a laugh out of it...
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Yo I main vanilla B.

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It just sounds like it's not your cup of tea. I had the same experience with the HALO series but love this. Getting into a game is like hooking up with a chick sometimes, it just doesn't work.

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@sfighter21: Yeah, I am fine with the "LOL FUCK FLOWCHART SCRUBS" thing because it is a fact and 95% of all Ken's are in fact flowchart scrubs, and the only reason people post threads like this is because the sheer number of these people they run into on a daily basis. I just get pissed at the fact that these people decided to use my character. No other character has such a stupid stigma attached to him/her. I cannot fault people for hating based on their experience, but I can hate on the people that have given a solid character such a shitty rep. I throw up a little when I watch people like Blackhawkxdown play.
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I wish that the Street Fighter forum had some sort of filter system, the amount of redundant topics stop this from ever becoming anything serious. This could be SRK for normal people! But no, most of the topics are rhetorical questions filled with opinion and ignorance.  

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I have zero experience with street fighter 4 and SSIV, but I would have thought that most people would go with Ryu and not Ken. I remember back in SNES days I was real good with Ryu.
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@Conker: Most people actually do play as Ryu, but Ken gets a worse rep because people exploit his dragon-punch (which actually isnt that good compared to other heavy dragon-punches). I think its the fact that it looks the coolest.
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@Hailinel said:

" @Napalm said:

" This topic is full of absolute failure. You disappoint me. "
But I've succeeded in disappointing you, which means that this topic is not actually full of failure.  But if that's the case, then what can you be disappointed about, if success in fact exists in this topic?
 
@Stang said:
" Yeah I hate Ken also, only fucking scrubs use him. Damn cheaters throwing from half screen, I am going to report them all. Disgusting. "

I don't hate Ken.  I just got sick of going online when it honestly seemed like he was the only character I'd ever face on a consistent basis.
 
@agentboolen said:
" @Hailinel:  Once you say this  "  I hold more interest in the characters and the various crazy storylines"  You should know your answer.  The simple fact if you still can't appreciate the gameplay of Street Fighter games you just need to move on.  There are a lot of games that you might keep interest but this one you just don't have it anymore.  For me I play it for the gameplay, the ending's are fun to have but there never worth playing if you don't like the actual gameplay. "
The gameplay is fine; it's fun.  It just doesn't have the same spark for me that it did back in the day, which makes it very difficult for me to maintain the interest that I'd like to have. "
 Gameplay is fun but it still doesn't hold your interest?  Depending on how much Street Fighter you have played over the years you might just be bored of this style of gameplay.  Lets face it as deep as SF is, there really isn't much to it.  Fight one guy go to the next fight another guy so on and so on.  Some people can still appreciate this simple style of gameplay and some people cant, and some people might have played it till they became bored.  No game can keep your interest for ever and the fact is all the SF games are a lot a like.  You should look into other game genres.
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I really really like IV and Super IV a lot, but now with Super IV, much sooner than with IV, i'm feeling the inescapable pull back to Super Turbo. It's not that I feel IV is too complex (although FADC's angers me greatly) or whatever else, I just feel like Super Turbo is the better game, and it's one my passion for never ever seems to die. Alpha 3 is another I find myself drawn to time and again, Alpha counters were such an elegant mechanic, next to them Focus Attacks seem clumsy and ham-fisted in comparison. 
 
I long for the day when Alpha 3 gets a playable XBLA release. We've already got MvC2 (stopped playing due to death threats...) and I can finally put Super Turbo to rest for a while. Characters and storylines are not relevant to me very much, I like a lot of them, but I always end up rooting for the gameplay above all else with fighters.

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Blaz Blu easier than SFVI..... what? Every Character in Blaz Blu is like learning an entirely new game.... atleast there is some continuity between the fighters on SF and you find a style you're comfortable with and roll wit it. I feel you tho OP, I dont like SFIV either. I loved SFII and all the VS. series games. SFIV is a slow game to me, i am used to the frenetic pace of Blaz Blu,  SSFIIHD remix, and others. SFIV seems very plodding, but I found a lot of value in the game while playing it online. The unpredictibilty of the human opponent really helped mask my issues of the character's slow speed in the game.    
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@Turbofirejames said:
" Blaz Blu easier than SFVI..... what? Every Character in Blaz Blu is like learning an entirely new game.... atleast there is some continuity between the fighters on SF and you find a style you're comfortable with and roll wit it. I feel you tho OP, I dont like SFIV either. I loved SFII and all the VS. series games. SFIV is a slow game to me, i am used to the frenetic pace of Blaz Blu,  SSFIIHD remix, and others. SFIV seems very plodding, but I found a lot of value in the game while playing it online. The unpredictibilty of the human opponent really helped mask my issues of the character's slow speed in the game.     "
I never said that BlazBlue was easier.  Only that it was more appealing.  There's a smaller roster, but there's a greater feeling of variety to the characters, the story is given more thought upfront, and the fighting system is fun.  
 
@The_A_Drain said:
"Characters and storylines are not relevant to me very much, I like a lot of them, but I always end up rooting for the gameplay above all else with fighters. "
Gameplay is important in a fighting game; the shoddy gameplay in Mortal Kombat is one of the reasons why I can never take that series seriously despite its story that's supposedly more thought-out than other series.  (And even that is up for debate, seeing as Armageddon felt like the writer's way of throwing in the towel.)
 
@Plasma said:
" I wish that the Street Fighter forum had some sort of filter system, the amount of redundant topics stop this from ever becoming anything serious. This could be SRK for normal people! But no, most of the topics are rhetorical questions filled with opinion and ignorance.   "

Sorry to disappoint you.  There are some people that just prefer to have conversations about fighting games that go beyond technique, tactics, and tier lists.  Honestly, I get the feeling that some people wouldn't care a bit if Street Fighter's roster were nothing but generic men in karate gis with less personality than Akira Yuki.
 
@MarceloAbans said:
" It just sounds like it's not your cup of tea. I had the same experience with the HALO series but love this. Getting into a game is like hooking up with a chick sometimes, it just doesn't work. "

Yeah.  It's always disappointing to not be able to really get into a game that you find interesting and really want to like.
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@Hailinel said:
 
 
@The_A_Drain said:
"Characters and storylines are not relevant to me very much, I like a lot of them, but I always end up rooting for the gameplay above all else with fighters. "
Gameplay is important in a fighting game; the shoddy gameplay in Mortal Kombat is one of the reasons why I can never take that series seriously despite its story that's supposedly more thought-out than other series.  (And even that is up for debate, seeing as Armageddon felt like the writer's way of throwing in the towel.)

Dude, I fucking despise Mortal Kombat for it's gameplay. It's nice to see someone else with the balls to say it, in reality it's a fucking shitty fighter, but it gets all the points in the style box, it does that OTT bloody gorey style very well but in my mind that's all it ever did well, made very little attempt at being an actual serious fighter.
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@lordofultima said:
" Eh, to each his own. Can't say I agree with him, how about you Zach?  I really can't see your point of view though about online competition. I haven't fought more than 2 or 3 kens the whole time during ranked matches, and I've only had 2 or 3 people drop from matches in vanilla SFIV, none in Super. Everyone starts from where you are, I didn't even get into Street Fighter until IV came out. SFIV is a much simpler game than any you have mentioned, the competitive levels of those games in their prime is like gibberish to me. That said, if you have no passion for competition (which would be evident since you're not making effort to play matches with people here) then fighting games in general aren't for you.  I enjoy the cheesy story sequences and character personalities, but the magic of Street Fighter is it's also an amazing fighting game. "
Screw you, Zach only talks to me! 
 
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