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Hatred is a stunt and so far it's worked. The only way to win is to not play the game, and by that I don't mean Hatred I mean don't bother with all of the repetitive, targeted click-bait nonsense even to go in there and disagree with them or whatever.

There is a winning strategy in online media these days of advancing unreasonable commentary because the goal isn't to present a strong argument but to draw in a minority of people who will reflexively defend that view point and a large majority of those who don't but need to click on it anyway to explain why it's poor.

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So is it worth 10 bucks? I still remember how god awful that trailer was.

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Yes - it's very simple. Hire some women so they have their voices heard. GOTY right now is really, "Men's GOTY" for most of the industry. Look at how drastically different the choices were on sites that employ women, (Joystiq and Polygon) with ones that choose not to hire women (Giant Bomb and IGN (mostly)).

Well I mean you know they have a budget, right? It might have been a reasonable stance to say that could have been a solution before the new hires, but to my understanding they can't afford new hires now. So in the absence of what is now an impossibility how could they improve this year's discussion?

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@spacekatgal: I just want to say thanks for the engagement. I think this is the only way we get anywhere, even when people leave the discussion still in disagreement.

I'm know I said I was splitskies before but like the old quote says, "Just When I Thought I Was Out, They Pull Me Back In!" This time I'm out for real. Maybe to play a little Parasite Eve even, never had a Playstation back in the day so I missed a lot of gems. Best of luck to you and keep on truckin' sticking in there is worth a lot of admiration even when you couldn't be blamed for leaving and I do admire you even though we might not agree on everything.

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@heyguys said:

@groverat said:

Dear dudes,

STOP DEFENDING GIANT BOMB WHEN BRIANNA CRITICIZES. STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP.

This is a huge part of our problem as a community. We love the guys. They're wonderful. We spend hours of our lives with them every week. So, we get extremely defensive when we feel they are mischaracterized. And I absolutely agree that they ARE mischaracterized a lot of the time.

However, we are not hurt when they are criticized. It is their job to defend themselves against people, not ours.

It might be OK to do a little bickering on Twitter with another person who is not suffering, but ABSOLUTELY NOT when that person has been on the receiving end of death threats from people like us.

Here's your job when Brianna criticizes:

1) Read what she has to say with an open mind and heart.

2) Offer her either silence, thanks, or encouragement.

3) Think more about what she had to say.

If her criticism is unfair but it doesn't hurt GB, it doesn't matter.

If her criticism is unfair and it hurts GB, no one has a bigger voice to defend GB than GB itself.

There is literally zero positive result from you getting defensive on GB's half, because you are not inside the circle of suffering.

Oh, and here's a super-crazy notion: Maybe we are all growing a little bit all the time and benefit from criticism!

Why should anyone be immune to disagreement? Honestly how is that not incredibly patronizing?

Maybe taking the context of your response into consideration?

Let me tell the woman that left her house for fear of her life on how she should feel.

Let some shit slide, your opinion doesn't have to be interjected into every conversation.

The only way to have a discussion is to listen, and then respond. If people are listening then they have every reason to respond with their own take on what someone has said.

Also not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm doing this, "Let me tell the woman that left her house for fear of her life on how she should feel." I wouldn't tell someone how to feel about such things it wouldn't make sense to.

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@scarycrayons said:

It's fairly common knowledge at this point that she openly identified as a misandrist, with an article written about just how much she hates males.

If a male game developer openly identified as a misogynist, and had written an article about just how much he hated females, would you still be saying the same thing about wishing people would stand up for them?

I really do mean this as a sincere question, I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm just curious to whether you believe it would still be okay if that was the situation.

This is a lie about Samantha I want to put to bed - and I won't discuss it further. She does not hate men. I talked to her about this on freaking Monday. I would thank you to not repeat it. I'd also suggest, she deserves more than a little compassion - given the horrible way she was treated by a mob of gamers.

They went through everything she'd ever written and they found something to use against her. A person is more complex than a paragraph.

If you respect me at all, I'm asking you to trust that my friend Samantha is a better person than that.

I'm not in the loop on Samantha Allen so I have no idea about whether she's addressed this allegation herself. My position is that people should be held responsible for the things that they say, whether people dug for them or not, but they are also entitled to the same ability to explain the circumstances under which those statements were made and to, at any point, change their minds at which point those statements should no longer be in any way relevant. If you're saying she no longer identifies as a misandrist that's good enough for me.

Obviously even if she was a misandrist harassment is never an appropriate response and shouldn't be minimized against people one might disagree with.

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@groverat said:

Dear dudes,

STOP DEFENDING GIANT BOMB WHEN BRIANNA CRITICIZES. STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP.

This is a huge part of our problem as a community. We love the guys. They're wonderful. We spend hours of our lives with them every week. So, we get extremely defensive when we feel they are mischaracterized. And I absolutely agree that they ARE mischaracterized a lot of the time.

However, we are not hurt when they are criticized. It is their job to defend themselves against people, not ours.

It might be OK to do a little bickering on Twitter with another person who is not suffering, but ABSOLUTELY NOT when that person has been on the receiving end of death threats from people like us.

Here's your job when Brianna criticizes:

1) Read what she has to say with an open mind and heart.

2) Offer her either silence, thanks, or encouragement.

3) Think more about what she had to say.

If her criticism is unfair but it doesn't hurt GB, it doesn't matter.

If her criticism is unfair and it hurts GB, no one has a bigger voice to defend GB than GB itself.

There is literally zero positive result from you getting defensive on GB's half, because you are not inside the circle of suffering.

Oh, and here's a super-crazy notion: Maybe we are all growing a little bit all the time and benefit from criticism!

Why should anyone be immune to disagreement? Honestly how is that not incredibly patronizing?

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@annora said:

@noxious said:

Shame you feel that way, but I hope we don't start silencing things just because they might offend you.

With the freedom of speech, comes to freedom to be offended. I've had to endure a lot in order to find that out in the current state of politics in my country...

And the word in question isn't exactly a big deal in other parts of the world, welcome to the internet.

Hate speech is not free speech. Welcome to real life.

Free speech is inherently un-free when it only protects speech that agrees with you. However freedom of speech doesn't apply here so I'm not sure how it's relevant anyway.

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@rorie said:

Well, again, I apologize if you feel like those conversations didn't go anywhere. I'm not sure who was responsible for merchandise back in those days and I wasn't part of Giant Bomb at that point, although I did work at Whiskey. It was one of the many things that was shoved under my bailiwick when I joined GB 18 months or so ago. We didn't print any new shirts for most of 2013, but, starting with the Bombduders shirt last year, we have offered women's sizes.

Rory, the point is, there 1000 things like this I could name - decisions GB chooses to make that push women away. And if I did, I'd have your users dynamiting in to the walls of my house to explain how I'm wrong.

There are some women that use GB despite this culture. I was one of them for years and years. Believe it or not, being a software engineer, I enjoy hanging out with men. But when GB users bullied my friend Samantha Allen out of the industry and you chose to do nothing for weeks - that's when I had to not support you guys any more.

But, it's the overall culture here that pushes women away in ways you probably don't even think about.

I will wholeheartedly acknowledge that the community here is often too quick to defend the staff and the site in a knee-jerk like reaction, but should the possibility of people disagreeing with you really keep you from making your point? As long as the do it in a civil way of course. Unless it is that you believe you will be subjected to harassment, not just disagreement, as a result of explaining your stance. I'm honestly asking here in good faith how you feel about this.