@gkhan: I do believe it, I pretty much even said that in my post. My point is that if you are engaging someone in an argument where you are trying to convince them of something they don't believe to respond to their skepticism with "it was them" can not be reasonably expected to convince them. If you're not interested in having that argument you can say so but can you deny what I'm saying there?
P.S. Yes I said I was done but I thought you deserved a response so I could explain my reasoning to you.