Icejot

@dbz1995 said:

@DeF said:

honestly, I think the question is kinda stupid.  "the most skill"? you can't measure that. each of those games requires certain skills. some of them more varied skills, many of them very different ones. But you can't say "game X requires 4.7 times more skill than games Y and Z, etc"

I think this guy is right. Playing, in the most extreme case, a Medic in Team Fortress 2 is completely different from playing a Marathon Lightweight Commando Knife Runner in MW2.

hey don't get too personal here! :D :D :D

@coakroach

said:

I voted for Bioshock 2 because it blows my mind that you put it on the list.

haha I didn't even see that, nice :) I like that it's on the list, I had fun with the multiplayer!

@PenguinDust said:

Well, this is probably playing with semantics, but I tend to classify hand-eye coordination and lightning reflexes are something else. Talents or natural abilities, perhaps? Hand-eye coordination can be improved through practice, yes, but both are susceptible to degeneration over time. I'm not sure if lightning reflexes can even be learned. Physical proficiency will deteriorate as a player ages regardless their playtime. However, patience, caution and your two additional suggestions of map knowledge and pattern recognition can remain with a player long after they realize that they just aren't as quick as they once were. I don't believe the thread was entirely pointless since it prompted a little indepth conversation on how we look at player skill sets within games. The OT's article clearly states that he loves CounterStrike but feels that Quake is more demanding than CounterStrike. If the intent was to get people who love a specific game to argue that theirs requires the most skill, I'd think he'd start by promoting CS. As for me, I get killed equally fast in all these competitive games so I don't have a pony to plug. You are correct, however, that ultimately the point is moot because of the differences between games and the dissimilarities between gamers.

True, to a certain point some things we are born with. But this specific use of reflexes and coordination has to be learned, we are not genetically predisposed to play video games. Keeping your balance on a bike is also a reflex, but not one you're born with.

One could argue then that the actual level of skill required in one instance (let's say "shooting a head that pops over some cover"), might not be as high in all instances. But then it usually requires you to be better at something else as well. So a game like ARMA requires you to be more of a generalist, where as MW2 requires a higher level in fewer skill sets.

honestly, I think the question is kinda stupid.  "the most skill"? you can't measure that. each of those games requires certain skills. some of them more varied skills, many of them very different ones. But you can't say "game X requires 4.7 times more skill than games Y and Z, etc"

as someone will undoubtedly point out in a more dick-ish way, gears of war isnt an fps, its third person. 

So, if anyone who have the power to edit the poll.. please remove Gears of War, Gears of War 2 and Gears of War 3 on my behalf. Thanks in advance!

Portal 2 is not a FPS. Its also not multiplayer. Its more Co op. 

For most people who know me or read my last post, you are most likely going to guess that my answer is "Counter-Strike 1.6". Without a doubt, Counter-Strike 1.6 is my favorite FPS of all time. I love it for it's recoil system: every gun has their specific recoil pattern and little quirk, how you control your avatar greatly affects it too. Not to mention the thinking and skill required when playing in a round of pub or match. But no, Counter-Strike 1.6 is not what i have in mind.

High level Team Fortress 2 matches are fun to watch, specially when listening to the Mumble live casts or VODs about them. So much strategy and teamwork and less of the oneshot-kill bullshit the Counter-Strike games usually have, battles are usually drawn out firefights not over in 2 seconds.

@Icejot said:

@Three0neFive said:

Quake, CS and Starcraft are acceptable e-sports. Cowadoody, Halo, Smash Bros., etc. are all babbys first multiplayer game and are a massive joke amongst the serious e-sports community.

I agree with almost everything you said, but Smash Bros is not a joke.

Excuse my ignorance, but in competitive Smash Bros what setting are used?

Seems like it would be entirely luck based with any item drops and I personally can't see the fun without the items. =/

Anyways, competitive starcraft 2 is the most awesome thing i have ever witnessed!

I think it's great that e-sports leagues exist because it means I can see high level players matched against each other on a regular basis with high production values. I have more fun watching high level Street fighter and Starcraft matches than I do actually playing the games most of the time. Anyone can put up videos of themselves playing scrubs online, but tournaments with all top players are awesome.