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Watchmen: The Review of The Movie

Is Watchmen the grand epic tale that we've all been hoping for?  Does it hold up to the graphic novel that all of the readers have been praying to see on the screen?


Well...does a bear shit in the woods?

The midnight showing was filled with an MTV and MySpace crowd last night, laughing and giggling like stupid idiots every time Dr. Manhattan's glowing blue dong was on-screen.  They were laughing and giggling every time an atrocity to mankind occurred.  When Silk Spectre and Nite Owl started getting it on inside Archie (which confirmed the extreme hotness of Malin Akerman, btw), there were giggles of the "OMG they're having sex" high school persuasion throughout the theatre.

In a dark corner at the top of the theatre, me and four friends sat and watched in amazement as the events of Watchmen unfolded, and my cousin and I kept nudging each other's shoulder with an expression of "that's just like the graphic novel"!  Those who haven't read it...yes, you will walk out of the theatre with a simple "eh, it was okay" idea of the movie...as most of the non-graphic novel readers did last night.  Those who HAVE read it...you will be rewarded for your dedication to what is arguably the greatest graphic novel of all time.  The imagery is sharp and striking.  The blood, sex, and violence is so prevalent, I'm amazed the movie didn't get an NC-17 rating...and it makes me curious what was left on the cutting room floor.  The absence of Tales of the Black Freighter definitely made the movie feel like it was missing something, which is why I can't give the movie the highest rating possible.  I also wasn't a big fan of how they did Rorschach's face in the movie, as it is CONSTANTLY changing.  I can understand that Snyder wanted his face to be in constant motion, since every frame of Rorschach in the graphic novel has a different expression.  However, there were moments where Jackie Earle Haley is delivering an INCREDIBLE performance...and the face just didn't feel right for the moment.  Then again, you have to look beyond his face and feel what he is saying.

Watchmen is an extremely complex movie, and there were plenty of times I heard someone in the theatre say "a superhero wouldn't do that".  That's right.  A superhero wouldn't try to rape another superhero.  A superhero wouldn't kill innocent women and children.  A superhero wouldn't have sex with another superhero hundreds of feet in the sky.  However, this isn't your typical superhero movie.  The levels upon levels of emotion and complexity, the ever-constant struggle of doing the right thing, is made blatantly clear in this movie.  There are plenty of moments where you realize that the justice you want to see happen usually has grave consequences that go beyond the usual idea of what a superhero is.  It's what made the graphic novel so amazing, and every actor...from Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl to Billy Crudup in an amazing performance of Dr. Manhattan...delivers exactly the performance they should.

The ending...what about the "ending", you ask?  The "ending" is perfect...for this movie.  Without giving anything away, it does deviate from the "ending" in the book...but it still holds the same level of impact and tone that the graphic novel had.  The level of realization, sorrow, regret, guilt, angst, hatred, somberness...all of it is there, and it's done well and with good taste.

My only other big complaint would be with the actor that plays Nixon.  I understand that Nixon, in the graphic novel, was a caricature of the real Nixon.  However, that doesn't mean you have to make Nixon look like he is obviously wearing makeup in this film.  The ridiculous nose, the accentuated jawline, the balding...everything is a bit too over-the-top.  The performance was fine, but after seeing Frank Langella's performance in Frost/Nixon...you realize that this role could've been handled better.  You never feel the threat that Nixon poses to the world...which is kind of sad.

So...does a bear shit in the woods?

Abso-fucking-lutely, ladies and gents.  If you love the graphic novel, you OWE it to yourself to see this movie.  If you aren't, then at least buy a ticket, watch it...and feel good knowing that you aren't being treated like an idiot.
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Is Watchmen the grand epic tale that we've all been hoping for?  Does it hold up to the graphic novel that all of the readers have been praying to see on the screen?


Well...does a bear shit in the woods?

The midnight showing was filled with an MTV and MySpace crowd last night, laughing and giggling like stupid idiots every time Dr. Manhattan's glowing blue dong was on-screen.  They were laughing and giggling every time an atrocity to mankind occurred.  When Silk Spectre and Nite Owl started getting it on inside Archie (which confirmed the extreme hotness of Malin Akerman, btw), there were giggles of the "OMG they're having sex" high school persuasion throughout the theatre.

In a dark corner at the top of the theatre, me and four friends sat and watched in amazement as the events of Watchmen unfolded, and my cousin and I kept nudging each other's shoulder with an expression of "that's just like the graphic novel"!  Those who haven't read it...yes, you will walk out of the theatre with a simple "eh, it was okay" idea of the movie...as most of the non-graphic novel readers did last night.  Those who HAVE read it...you will be rewarded for your dedication to what is arguably the greatest graphic novel of all time.  The imagery is sharp and striking.  The blood, sex, and violence is so prevalent, I'm amazed the movie didn't get an NC-17 rating...and it makes me curious what was left on the cutting room floor.  The absence of Tales of the Black Freighter definitely made the movie feel like it was missing something, which is why I can't give the movie the highest rating possible.  I also wasn't a big fan of how they did Rorschach's face in the movie, as it is CONSTANTLY changing.  I can understand that Snyder wanted his face to be in constant motion, since every frame of Rorschach in the graphic novel has a different expression.  However, there were moments where Jackie Earle Haley is delivering an INCREDIBLE performance...and the face just didn't feel right for the moment.  Then again, you have to look beyond his face and feel what he is saying.

Watchmen is an extremely complex movie, and there were plenty of times I heard someone in the theatre say "a superhero wouldn't do that".  That's right.  A superhero wouldn't try to rape another superhero.  A superhero wouldn't kill innocent women and children.  A superhero wouldn't have sex with another superhero hundreds of feet in the sky.  However, this isn't your typical superhero movie.  The levels upon levels of emotion and complexity, the ever-constant struggle of doing the right thing, is made blatantly clear in this movie.  There are plenty of moments where you realize that the justice you want to see happen usually has grave consequences that go beyond the usual idea of what a superhero is.  It's what made the graphic novel so amazing, and every actor...from Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl to Billy Crudup in an amazing performance of Dr. Manhattan...delivers exactly the performance they should.

The ending...what about the "ending", you ask?  The "ending" is perfect...for this movie.  Without giving anything away, it does deviate from the "ending" in the book...but it still holds the same level of impact and tone that the graphic novel had.  The level of realization, sorrow, regret, guilt, angst, hatred, somberness...all of it is there, and it's done well and with good taste.

My only other big complaint would be with the actor that plays Nixon.  I understand that Nixon, in the graphic novel, was a caricature of the real Nixon.  However, that doesn't mean you have to make Nixon look like he is obviously wearing makeup in this film.  The ridiculous nose, the accentuated jawline, the balding...everything is a bit too over-the-top.  The performance was fine, but after seeing Frank Langella's performance in Frost/Nixon...you realize that this role could've been handled better.  You never feel the threat that Nixon poses to the world...which is kind of sad.

So...does a bear shit in the woods?

Abso-fucking-lutely, ladies and gents.  If you love the graphic novel, you OWE it to yourself to see this movie.  If you aren't, then at least buy a ticket, watch it...and feel good knowing that you aren't being treated like an idiot.
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Awesome, I'm glad you enjoyed it so much and I can't wait to go see it myself!

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I just got back from it, and was thoroughly amazed by it.

SPOILERZORZ AHEADZ!



When Rorschach got obliterated, and his last words were uttered, I was moved. It was just that powerful of a performance by Haley. I think he deserves a nod for best actor for his portrayal of Rorschach, but films released earlier in the year are often snubbed anyway. I also loved how Snider put in the whole "Comedian killing JFK" scene in the opening credits. The soundtrack was also worthy of note.

God that movie was fucking incredible....I gotta let it all sink in before I write more.

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While I really was hoping for no spoilers...and especially of that magnitude, I guess it's expected...and at least you noted it was a spoiler.


The movie, as a whole, was just well done.  Like Virago said, after the sex scene, it all gets a bit wobbly...but there's not really any other way I could see them doing any of it without just making it go from improbable to proposterous.  Therefore, I'm okay with it.  I feel like Snyder really did as much justice as anyone could to the graphic novel.  Like I had said before, my cousin and I noticed that there were a LOT of times in which the frames from the comics were almost exactly replicated in the movie...and that felt good to see.
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I have to say, I'm a little disappointed overall.  As a movie it was good, but not great, and as an adaptation it was a little better, but still not great in my opinion.  I was incredibly pleased, however, with Haley's performance.  Not just because he's my favorite character, but I thought he gave easily the best performance of the movie.  His scene with Dr. Manhattan at the very end is, in my opinion, better than the novel's. 

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well Im about to go see it right now. hope its all that and a bag of chips.

Also, bears shit in streams and caves too.

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Yes yes yes. I never read the comic, but I know a good movie when I see it. Watchmen is good. I just got out of the theatre and I'm ready for round 2.

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I never read the novel but I never expected them to actually kill Rorschach he was the most bad ass super hero out of the 5

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I have to say, I am a big fan of the novel; but almost all of the Night Owl and Sil Spectre scenes were complete trash in my opnion.

They keep lingering on these two having sex, a scene that is portrayed for less than a page in the novel, for far too long.

Then again, maybe it was the audience.

 I too encountered a similar problem.

The Comedian, Rorschach, and Manhattan were all great.

But the taint of Hollywood rears it's ugly head throughout this movie.

I can see why Moore wanted nothing to do with it, many of the scenes were dumbed down for the silver screen.

I'm not saying it was bad, some of those moments just can't be pulled off with a camera, but for what it's worth it is probably the best a Watchmen movie could have been.

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I really like the film and the novel.  I just hope that people don't start going crazy about Rorschach like they did with the joker when dark knight came out, that would kill it for me.

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I hope I obtain the same feeling that you had.

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Some of the acting could of been a bit better, but as a complete adaption of the graphic novel I was amazed. Fantastic movie that I will view several more times.

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I do have to see this now. Oh, and I FUCKING HATE GIGGLY TEENAGERS. TAKE YOUR DICKS OUT AT TWILIGHT AND LEAVE EVERYONE ALONE. Oh man, sorry about that.....back to the topic.

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+1, I'm watching it soon.

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As someone who has never read the graphic novel, I really really liked the movie. Also, I got to hear how many idiots in my theater giggle every time a blue dick appears

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 EvilTwin said:

"I have to say, I'm a little disappointed overall.  As a movie it was good, but not great, and as an adaptation it was a little better, but still not great in my opinion.  I was incredibly pleased, however, with Haley's performance.  Not just because he's my favorite character, but I thought he gave easily the best performance of the movie.  His scene with Dr. Manhattan at the very end is, in my opinion, better than the novel's.  "
i didn't even think movie-wise it was that great. i think it did better justice to the comic book world than the celluloid world, though.
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Nice review. Just got back from watching it and highly enjoyed it. It pretty much was the graphic novel brought to life. I definitely agree with you on how they portrayed Nixon because his nose was just too big and distracting.

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Greatest opening title sequence ever. Straight from the people who created it.

I've already seen the film twice. While not perfect, it was fantastic. And this is coming from a huge fanboy of the graphic novel. The highlights include: the opening sequence, Simon & Garfunkel playing during the funeral, Dr. Manhattan's backstory, and Jackie Earle Haley playing Rorschach.
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I agree in whole that this is probably the best adaptation of the novel you could get on-screen.  I thought that Patrick Wilson played a perfectly wimp-tacular Nite Owl, and Malin Akerman was good as Silk Spectre...but only good.  I never really felt any on-screen chemistry between them like I found with Patrick Wilson and Kate Winslet in Little Children.  So it's not like the dood CAN'T do on-screen chemistry.


I will agree that they built up this sexual tension between the two of them a bit much, but at the same time...I'm a dood and I can't complain about Malin Akerman gettin' fucked for a while.  = D  It more than makes up for the sausage-fest.  LOL

As for the idea that it was toned down for the silver screen, I feel the exact opposite.  This movie was definitely graphic in every way possible:  nudity, violence, and principle.  Again, I'm amazed it didn't get an NC-17, especially since Kevin Smith probably couldn't get away with this much.  Also, we've gotta remember that this is what I like to call the "mainstream digestive" version.  We've still got the DVD release, which is going to cut Black Freighter back into the movie, as well as lots of additional scenes.  Therefore, I'm sure that fans of the graphic novel will have a much better time with the DVD release than with the theatrical film.

I'm probably going to go see it again two times this week.  I need to get my copy of Watchmen back from my work buddy so I can read over it yet again before I go for my repeat showings.

I would also like to point out that Snyder laid low with the slo-mo in this flick compared to 300...which was cool at first, but bothersome of further viewings.  He really used it well as a device of emphasis this time rather than just a way to accentuate the gore and sex.

And Virago, I can agree a bit with you.  This movie does more for comic books than it does for movies, but at the same time...I also think it does a lot for movies in a couple of ways.  It shows that a big CGI and special effects picture can be more than dumb and idiotic dialogue pandered with explosions.  It can hit nerves and make a person think.  I think it also shows that directors shouldn't be so fucking afraid of showing what they want to show.  Fight the studio and make them see WHY you don't want parts cut from a movie instead of just laying down to the Man and taking it hard.  The biggest thing I think it does is to let people know that you should NOT be afraid to kill the good guy.  There was a strong message behind Rorschach's death, and I earnestly agree that it's going to become one of the greatest moments in cinematic history.  For anyone who hasn't read the graphic novel, that's one hell of a shocker to walk out of the theatre from.  lol
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I never read the comic, and I didn't want to read any detail - but I caught the gist of it, which is that you thought it was good. I'll be seeing it tomorrow with a friend, see how it is, I'm quite looking forward to it.

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The movie was boring as hell, yea the action seens were cool but the movie just went on and on

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Thunder said:
"The movie was boring as hell, yea the action seens were cool but the movie just went on and on"
This coming from someone with Fallout 3 as their avatar?  o.O
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jakob187 said:
"Thunder said:
"The movie was boring as hell, yea the action scenes were cool but the movie just went on and on"
This coming from someone with Fallout 3 as their avatar?  o.O
"
yes which is an amazing game
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This is without a doubt one phenomenal adaptation. It's of course not perfect, were talking about a several hundred page comic.......graphic novel..... being turned into a film that is roughly three hours. (2:45ish.)
Will it appeal to everyone? Of course not. While there have been some phenomenal travesties regarding previous Alan Moore adaptations, it's clear from the first few sequences that the people making this film were trying their damn hardest to make this thing faithful to the source material, and for that alone I tip my hat. 

This movie could have easily been god-awful. The room for error here with something like this is so astronomically immense, the fact that the movie holds most of the interchangeable themes from the source material coherently is astounding. Instead of debates over the story moving away from the source material we have debates (especially from the negative critics.) complaining that the film stays too close to it.

Never saw that before :P

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The midnight showing was filled with an MTV and MySpace crowd last night, laughing and giggling like stupid idiots every time Dr. Manhattan's glowing blue dong was on-screen.  They were laughing and giggling every time an atrocity to mankind occurred.  When Silk Spectre and Nite Owl started getting it on inside Archie (which confirmed the extreme hotness of Malin Akerman, btw), there were giggles of the "OMG they're having sex" high school persuasion throughout the theatre.
I've read The Watchmen about three times. I'm a huge fan.

I'm sorry, I confess: I laughed my ass off during the sex scene. Not because they were having sex. The musicalaccompaniment of "hallelujah" was too much for me. And with Nite Owl hitting the afterburner on the ship was one of the most elaborate innuendo sequences I've seen in a while.

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i saw it yesturday the film was great but to things made it less awesome

1 Bad blue penis to boobs ratio

2 My chemical romance cover of a bob dylan song on the credits

appart from that its awesome very well shot

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Thunder said:
"jakob187 said:
"Thunder said:
"The movie was boring as hell, yea the action scenes were cool but the movie just went on and on"
This coming from someone with Fallout 3 as their avatar?  o.O
"
yes which is an amazing game "
Fallout 3?! zzzzZZZZZzzzzz
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Alexander said:
"Thunder said:
"jakob187 said:
"Thunder said:
"The movie was boring as hell, yea the action scenes were cool but the movie just went on and on"
This coming from someone with Fallout 3 as their avatar?  o.O
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yes which is an amazing game "
Fallout 3?! zzzzZZZZZzzzzz"
I thoroughly enjoyed Fallout 3...but for someone to say that this movie is boring and yet not look at the irony of having a Fallout 3 avatar...which is an amazing but still boring game...

I don't know, it just strikes me as odd.

vidiot said:
"I'm sorry, I confess: I laughed my ass off during the sex scene. Not because they were having sex. The musicalaccompaniment of "hallelujah" was too much for me. And with Nite Owl hitting the afterburner on the ship was one of the most elaborate innuendo sequences I've seen in a while."
I was too busy staring at Malin Akerman's sexy ass to focus on the music for long...but it was an *ahem* interesting choice.  lol  The afterburner thing was a funny little Hollywood touch, but at the same time...it was kind of unnecessary.  Whatever, though.

turbomonkey138 said:
"i saw it yesturday the film was great but to things made it less awesome 1 Bad blue penis to boobs ratio2 My chemical romance cover of a bob dylan song on the creditsappart from that its awesome very well shot"
If those are your only complaints, then you are digging too hard to find something to complain about.  I didn't care about the cover, as I didn't stick around for the credits other than waiting in the line leaving the theatre.  As for the blue dick stuff...again, I say "what did you expect going to a movie with a big blue naked dood?".
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Huh.  I thought the My Chemical Romance thing was supposed to play during the apocalypse at the end.  I think I read that in some article when people started freaking out that MCR would be in the Watchmen soundtrack. 

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I just got back from seeing Watchmen. And before I say anything about just know that I have never read the book. I went in there as just an average moviegoer like everyone else.


And overall, the movie was... pretty good. However, that's about it. It was an average movie. I went into the movie theater expecting something special and left disappointed. The movie actually made me not want to read the book. I left just thinking "That's it? That's the greatest graphic novel of all-time." I know the movie probably took a bunch of liberties but the overall story wasn't all that special. I really enjoyed the beginning where the movie is recapping time and building up the characters and the end where everything comes full circle and the plot starts to wrap up. But I definitely did not enjoy the in between. The prison scenes were just your regular old action scene. I mean, the action was good, don't get me wrong but I feel like it contradicted the whole beginning of the film. The whole beginning was this very interesting take on super heros and alternate reality and then all of a sudden the movie says "HOW ABOUT WE FIGHT A MIDGIT?!" The entire Nite Owl - Silk Spectre relationship was horrible. It seemed the movie just became completely focused on their uninteresting relationship and constantly teasing the fact that "HEY THESE TWO MIGHT HAVE SEX SOON", to which I really didn't care.

On the flip side, Dr. Manhattan was great. He was, by far, the best thing about Watchmen. The end scene where all the characters are together at Ozymandias' hideout in Antarctica was fantastic and I think the film left you with a great lingering thought of what being a hero is really about and the sacrifice that goes along with doing what's right. I think the only reason I left disappointed was because I had such high hopes. Watchmen looked like it could have done what The Dark Knight did last year and make comic book movies serious. And I don't think it did that. But the movie was good. And I think that's all that really matters. 
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I'm a huge fan of the graphic novel so I went into the theater with some trepidation, but was pleasantly surprised.

The new ending came off pretty well. Nite Owl, Rorscach and The Comedian were awesome. Most of the omissions they did were understandable. Though I was watching it with a friend who'd never read the book and he was kinda WTF when it said Nixon won a third term or when Bubastis showed up outta nowhere.

I didn't like the casting of Ozymandias though. And Dr. Manhattan too bulky.
Most of the fight scenes were way over the top, with people flying everywhere. They should've kept them more grounded in reality like when Rorschach fought the cops or Nite Owl and Silk Spectre fought the thugs in the alley. Everything else seemed like run off from the Charlie's Angels flicks.
It was kinda hard after telling my buddy that none of these guys have real superpowers and then they start punching through concrete and kicking around people with ragdoll physics. He was also wondering what the deal was with Rorschach's mask, so I had to break it down to him after the flick cause it really isn't worth putting in the flick.

All in all, it was a great movie, but I'm still not sure if it's the great movie the Watchmen deserves
My buddy who'd never read Watchmen and isn't a huge fan of superhero movies generally liked it. Especially after I filled in some of the holes cause I can imagine as a first timer there's some things which really aren't explained to them that well.
There were some walkouts during the flick. Bloody philistines.

I'm looking forward to the extended Blu-ray thingie for all they ommited.

As for Rorschach becoming the new Joker? Remember that politically, he is an anticommunist, anti liberal and strong nationalist. He's an extremely right-wing character and not what I expect the kids nowadays to find as heroic views. Then again, the Joker was a homicidal, sociopathic anarchist.
Kids today are stupid as bricks anyway so I expect tons of Rorschach accessories at Hot Topic.
I'm kinda pissed I didn't go as Rorschach last Halloween cause that is ruined for the next few years.

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I also really enjoyed it,the crowd i was with at the midnight showing was surprisingly quiet.I loved the soundtrack to the movie.The film just shows that Snyder is easily the best director of this decade.

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teh_destroyer said:
The film just shows that Snyder is easily the best director of this decade."
It's great that you liked the film and all, but please stop putting this sentence in every Watchmen thread on the site.  It's just . . . blah.  I dunno, I probably shouldn't comment lest I infuse this discussion with my taste.  But, seriously. 
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teh_destroyer said:
The film just shows that Snyder is easily the best director of this decade."
cdyeyjhvbvgggh

That's what happened when I smashed my head against the keyboard.

Don't say that please. Thanks.
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teh_destroyer said:
"The film just shows that Snyder is easily the best director of this decade."
Come back when he isn't making a remake or slavishly following a comic book as a storyboard.
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Saw it tonight and I liked it quite a bit. I did not read the novel, but that is soon to change as I have been meaning to and ordered it off of amazon for $11 shipped.

I agree with the Rorschach comments, Haley was great and the character was great in the movie.

I will say, during the sex scene I thought it was funny/ridiculous that they used "Hallelujah" for the song.

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i have not  seen the movie yet but now im looking forward to the cartoon :P

  

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jakob187 said:

vidiot said:
"I'm sorry, I confess: I laughed my ass off during the sex scene. Not because they were having sex. The musicalaccompaniment of "hallelujah" was too much for me. And with Nite Owl hitting the afterburner on the ship was one of the most elaborate innuendo sequences I've seen in a while."
I was too busy staring at Malin Akerman's sexy ass to focus on the music for long...but it was an *ahem* interesting choice.  lol  The afterburner thing was a funny little Hollywood touch, but at the same time...it was kind of unnecessary.  Whatever, though.



Actually, I am pretty sure the Afterburner thing is directly from the book. I'm glad they included it tho, it was a nice touch.
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I'm rapidly getting the impression that Watchmen is going to be a cult classic for a long time. Fuck the critics, Watchmen was amazing.

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ok ill be honest my initial post in this thread was that this movie was boring as hell which is what i thought at first but after talking with my friends about it i realized that this movie was much more then i originally thought.

Ok ill be honest again i did not read the comic before i went and saw the movie and it bored the hell out of me at first, but last night i was just sitting around talking about it with my friends and realized it was a much better movie then i initially thought. I thought that the action scenes were amazing by far my favorite being the ally scene. However, i did think the sex scenes were a little much, i dont mind one sex scene but they went a little overboard with that. The movie definitely had a deeper meaning then what i initially recognized and it makes me want to read the graphic novel and go see it again.

The movie was definitely an epic movie and deserves more credit then what it is getting.

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Man I'm gonna pick up this graphic novel now.

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Win said:
"jakob187 said:

vidiot said:
"I'm sorry, I confess: I laughed my ass off during the sex scene. Not because they were having sex. The musicalaccompaniment of "hallelujah" was too much for me. And with Nite Owl hitting the afterburner on the ship was one of the most elaborate innuendo sequences I've seen in a while."
I was too busy staring at Malin Akerman's sexy ass to focus on the music for long...but it was an *ahem* interesting choice.  lol  The afterburner thing was a funny little Hollywood touch, but at the same time...it was kind of unnecessary.  Whatever, though."
Actually, I am pretty sure the Afterburner thing is directly from the book. I'm glad they included it tho, it was a nice touch. "
Yeah, I had forgotten about it being in the graphic novel until I went back to it.  It had been so long since I read it, I forgot a lot of the super little details like that.
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i liked it but was pissed off at laurie saying dr.Manhattans final line in the GN. They should have cut it out completely...Glad alot of the mainstream are enjoying the movie

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Zenexo said:
"i liked it but was pissed off at laurie saying dr.Manhattans final line in the GN. They should have cut it out completely...Glad alot of the mainstream are enjoying the movie"
Actually, it seems most of the mainstream hate the flick.  The fans of the graphic novel are the ones that seem to be loving the shit out of it.

I guess that brings up an interesting argument:  we've seen the backlash of when something isn't translated almost verbatim from the original text, but should there be backlash when it follows so closely to the original text?

Sin City is another primary example, as that movie isn't just literally word-for-word the same...but also frame-for-frame.  Fight Club is another great example, as well as Choke.  All of these movies were spanked by critics, and yet they follow the text so closely.  It almost makes you wonder if there isn't a way to appease folks nowadays.
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jakob187 said:
"Zenexo said:
"i liked it but was pissed off at laurie saying dr.Manhattans final line in the GN. They should have cut it out completely...Glad alot of the mainstream are enjoying the movie"
Actually, it seems most of the mainstream hate the flick.  The fans of the graphic novel are the ones that seem to be loving the shit out of it.

I guess that brings up an interesting argument:  we've seen the backlash of when something isn't translated almost verbatim from the original text, but should there be backlash when it follows so closely to the original text?

Sin City is another primary example, as that movie isn't just literally word-for-word the same...but also frame-for-frame.  Fight Club is another great example, as well as Choke.  All of these movies were spanked by critics, and yet they follow the text so closely.  It almost makes you wonder if there isn't a way to appease folks nowadays.
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Fight Club and Sin city both got great reviews from what I have seen. Also from what I've seen people who have read the GN are the ones disappointed with the film.
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Zenexo said:
"jakob187 said:
"Zenexo said:
"i liked it but was pissed off at laurie saying dr.Manhattans final line in the GN. They should have cut it out completely...Glad alot of the mainstream are enjoying the movie"
Actually, it seems most of the mainstream hate the flick.  The fans of the graphic novel are the ones that seem to be loving the shit out of it.

I guess that brings up an interesting argument:  we've seen the backlash of when something isn't translated almost verbatim from the original text, but should there be backlash when it follows so closely to the original text?

Sin City is another primary example, as that movie isn't just literally word-for-word the same...but also frame-for-frame.  Fight Club is another great example, as well as Choke.  All of these movies were spanked by critics, and yet they follow the text so closely.  It almost makes you wonder if there isn't a way to appease folks nowadays.
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Fight Club and Sin city both got great reviews from what I have seen. Also from what I've seen people who have read the GN are the ones disappointed with the film."
Yeah, I was about to say, both Fight Club and Sin City got better all-around praise than Watchmen. 

To answer your question, Jakob, I think Watchmen is, at the very least, showing the limitations of film adaptations.  I haven't yet seen the film, so when I say this, I can't speak for everyone (anyone), but it seems the mainstream dislikes the film because the things the film struggles so hard to translate are themes and ideas the comic medium illustrates so easily through its very nature.  Moore's Watchmen has a lot going on in it on a figurative, thematic level, and the comic lends itself so well to interpretation.  The problem is that the adaptation is, really, the presentation of one perspective, one interpretation of the source material--that interpretation being Snyder's.  So, no matter how "faithful" he is to the work, everything he chooses to show is something pushing toward his reading of the text. 

Moore deliberately wrote Watchmen in an effort to define the constraints, the boundaries, and conversely, the abilities comic books have in opposition to other art forms.  When that objective is taken from the medium it is supposed to operate in and is pasted into the realm of film, things are going to go bananas.  Half of the people I know who have seen it openly admit to being completely lost during the film--and the percentage of people I know who have read the graphic novel claim the novel informed their viewing of the film; that is, the film didn't do the source enough justice to demonstrate itself with enough clarity.  Again, I haven't seen it, so I can't argue from my standpoint what I think personally.

Obviously, there are people on this forum who didn't read the novel, yet still enjoyed the film for its texture, for its style, for its "message", maybe.  So it's not impossible for the movie to succeed on new ground. 

I, personally, think there comes a point when being faithful to the source is secondary to the telling of the story.  As an artist, even if you're translating something, your purpose is to make some abstraction digestible in a way it wasn't before.  If your audience needs the source to comprehend the piece at hand, then I think the piece has failed. 

Jakob, this doesn't answer your question, I guess, but it explores it at least.  Haha.
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Zenexo said:
"Fight Club and Sin city both got great reviews from what I have seen. Also from what I've seen people who have read the GN are the ones disappointed with the film."
The reason you can't really see any of this from a site like RottenTomatoes or MetaCritic is because once the DVDs come out, their format changes up to reflect the DVD rating rather than the original theatrical release ratings.  The original theatrical releases for the film were a bit of a different story.

I remember when both movies came out.  The media and critical backlash for Fight Club was astounding, to the point that it was being considered a top Razzie nominee.  It was a film that took time to catch on.  Sin City is a movie that got great reviews when it came out, MAINLY for its special effects, but those ideals have fallen since it came out because it turns out the movie is a poorly acted but well-shot version of a comic book.  Choke, which no one mentioned in a rebuttal, was very close to the book as well, but it wasn't very well received by critics...and with its limited release, it didn't get much love from audiences.  Hell, I'll bet a good majority of you guys that have read the book don't even know that the movie has been on DVD for a couple of weeks now!

My point is...there are movies that HAVE to get some age on them before people really look at it and go "WOW" or "EWW".  Watchmen is definitely a movie that people are going to need to take some time with before just jumping in the "love it or hate it" pool.

Also, I don't think that my question really has an answer...but it's yet another one of those questions that gets raised when you talk about this movie and the graphic novel.  I mean, when someone turns a piece of Shakespeare into a movie, a lot of people just write that off.  "Oh, this was one bad interpretation, but there are a million others".  However, nowadays, people expect there to only be one definitive version of a film from a novel or literary medium.  In turn, this creates a bit of a struggle to say one of the following two statements:

"Well, it was nothing like the book, and the book is better."
or
"Well, it was very close to the book, but the book is still better."

In the end, the visual medium of film CANNOT capture the same thing as the book.  Why?  Just like you said, Rag...a film is ONE perspective.  When I'm reading a book, I may see something COMPLETELY different when I'm reading it.  Therefore, who is right?  No one.

My point about Watchmen is that it DOES follow closely to the source material, which is a blessing when all I end up seeing is Spider-Man and X-Men and Hulk and so many comic book movies being raped!!!  Watchmen and The Dark Knight are essentially the comic book world's answers to No Country For Old Men and Forrest Gump!!!  These are movies that are saying "Hey, comic books are a respectable form of literature, so stop treating it like kids' shit".

The idea that Watchmen is being looked at by the mainstream as a "superhero movie" that kids could go see is apparent in some of the stories we've heard about in other blogs about audiences with young children in them.  This is NOT a movie for young children, but at the same time...once you mention "comic book", everyone assumes "oh, it's safe for my kids".

To conclude...I'm simply saying that Watchmen has done more than just force us to look at its story in a different perspective as far as adaptation and presentation, but the movie is doing SOOOO much more past that.  It's forcing people to go "wait, whoa...this movie is pretty damn intelligent...and this is a COMIC BOOK?".  It's about time people started seriously looking at this medium with more than a wink and a nod of slight disrespect because they think comics are a fucking joke.

Watchmen means a lot to me on so many levels, and now, it's pushing boundaries yet again and challenging the art form of cinema.  If anything, I think Alan Moore SHOULD be paying attention to what his graphic novel has helped to create.  This movie will spark more conversation than people are willing to admit to.  Just look at the amount of conversation that it has started on these forums!!!

There's no real conclusion to what I'm saying, because what I asked was a very open-ended question.  Personally, I can only say that I liked the movie a lot, I thought it was the best adaptation that anyone could possibly make, and that people need to give it some thought and a second look before they start seriously trying to judge it.
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Well, I watched this three hour behemoth earlier today..and I liked it, liked it quite a bit actually.

Rorschach's performance was brilliant, imo. I don't think they could have picked a better actor. I was a little disappointed at first because he looked a little scrawny with his costume off, but he pulled it off in the end especially in the

***SPOILERS OH NOEZ LOOK AWEAY GUYZ***






prison scenes, which I found to be the best parts of the film. I even, dare I say, enjoyed his role more than that of Heath Ledger's Joker.




**YOU CAN LOOK NOW IT'S K ;)***

Also, what is up whith all you comic-junkies dissing on all the non-GN readers? Yeah so I haven't read the novel...yet. I hate how one of my friends completely disregarded my opinions upon the movie, simply responding by "Oh you don't know anything, you haven't even read the novel." Give me a break, we saw the damn movie, I understand the jist of it, take that stick out of your ass and quit thinking you're so damn high and mighty. Fuck.

..Anyway, I thought the movie was great. I couldn't make it with my bud's to the theater today, so I just watched it online. I hope to watch it on my HDTV when the DVD version comes out.

8.99/10 for Watchmen

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Actually, Jolly...I've been very much on the opposite side of how GN readers have treated the non-GN readers.  The non-GN readers that have come into the store and talked about it, I listened to what they had to say and then expanded on what their experience was by saying "yeah, they left a couple things out, like this and that"...and it got them more interested in reading the GN.  That makes me happy, when people are willing to listen to what you have to say.  So my experiences have mostly been positive.


However, when someone wants to come in and say it's a bad movie "because of all the blue dick"...then they can fuck right off.
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jakob187 said:
"Actually, Jolly...I've been very much on the opposite side of how GN readers have treated the non-GN readers.  The non-GN readers that have come into the store and talked about it, I listened to what they had to say and then expanded on what their experience was by saying "yeah, they left a couple things out, like this and that"...and it got them more interested in reading the GN.  That makes me happy, when people are willing to listen to what you have to say.  So my experiences have mostly been positive.
Yeah, see, this is the most I could have asked for from the film adaptation: as long as the viewers' interest in the Graphic Novel is piqued after seeing the film, then it's done an amicable job.  People deserve to read the novel.
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I read a lot of reviews that said the story was too rushed. And that they were trying too hard to cram the entire story into 2 1/2 hours. But this review seems more positive. I may see it.