@holyxion: Thank you for your reply! Also look like cool games (and he'd be impressed that I'd discovered something he might not know about!). Again, I was hoping for disc games (he likes to display them on his shelf) but can only seem to find Steam version (or other download sites). Do you know if they do a disc version, or is Steam my best bet?
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@avantegardener: Thanks for your reply! That does look a cool game. I would have liked to get a disc PC game but Steam seems to be the best (only?) way to purchase it. Do you know if/where I could get hold of a disc version?
@thephantomnaut: Thank you for your reply! He does love Cave, and also has set up his own arcade 'machine' using a rotated PC monitor (think he's aiming for the CRT though!).
sorry for being dumb, but when you day 'board', do you mean board game? Just had a quick google and can't seem to find any based on those games...
It's my husband's birthday coming up, and when I've posted on here before about gift suggestions based on his current game interests you've come up with some great ideas that he's loved!
Ok so this year we went to Tokyo which was AWESOME!!
He loves bullet hell shooters and already has two arcade/fight sticks. He plays a lot of Dodonpachi (don't know which ones but he has a few!) and likes Deathsmiles.
He also likes Japanese manga books (particularly Black Butler, D.Gray-man and One piece) and films like Akira and Ghost in shell.
If anyone can suggest cool gifts to do with any of those, or other games/books that he might similar to those, I would love to hear your ideas!
Or just anything to do with arcades (he also likes street fighter, metal slug...).
Has anyone else here been to Tokyo? We really want to go back!
Thanks guys- yeah I might look into Second Life too- although I think that's been debated quite a bit in essays. It'd be interesting to find out what techniques they're using to get people to buy stuff, if the time they spend on it is fairly low!
Thanks to those who comically filled out my survey- I had to go through them all and delete the odd ones that would ruin my results. It's hilarious that you would spend so much time filling out a lengthy survey just to say that you don't want to do it- you must have WAY too much time on your hands...
Anyhow, I welcome any input from the rest of you on your views on virtual consumerism in general, whether related to Habbo Hotel or not! You're not 'doing my homework'- you're supporting my argument. You have to talk to people to understand how consumerism works. Is a forum for opinions or is it not??
Thanks everyone :)
Good luck with it- if you are this passionate at 15, you've got a very good head start- most people have no clue what they want to do at 15! (some never do).
You seem very confident and charismatic- I'd enjoy listening to your reviews! I'd say focus on your written skills (within games journalism) now, as that's probably more likely to get you a job :)
Ok... really didn't think it would have this much response from a fairly specific question (as opposed to "please debate the validity of Habbo Hotel as a 'game' and also the fact that I am a girl")
Maybe I should now rephrase my question for those who cannot fill in my questionnaire: "HAS ANYONE EVER PLAYED ON HABBO HOTEL IN THE PAST, AND HAVE YOU BOUGHT CREDITS/VIRTUAL ITEMS WITHIN IT? WHY/WHY NOT?"
@FancySoapsMan - did you actually purchase furniture in Habbo? (or is this sarcasm?) If so, what would you say are the reasons for you making that decision?
@Arestice - Yes I made a post about Habbo Hotel, but if you actually read the post you would realise that it is for research, not for general conversation.
And FYI, out of all the data I have collected already for Habbo, around 90% of the users are male.
@artgarcrunkle - I am not asking people to do my homework, I am asking for their opinion on virtual consumerism within Habbo Hotel to aid the debate in my essay. If I just copy and pasted the responses here I would have a very poor essay.
Not that I have to justify myself, but my blog has a matching photo of the one here.
Thanks anyway, @CharlesAlanRatliff - is that because you never bought anything?
That's very interesting @MysteriousBob - What a nice idea for currency- creativity!
@benjaebe - Habbo does appear to be really big- although you're right, not as big as most internet FTP games. I didn't want to delve into that too much because I felt it was too huge an area for my essay, and it seemed simpler to choose two solid games/sites. Also I liked the fact that Habbo is primarily a chat site, and the social aspect of it was interesting for my psychological explanations for purchasing virtual items. I will be referring to the likes of Farmville though, as they are very recent and appeal to a wide audience. In that respect you're right- it probably would be easier to find people who play Farmville, but I could actually enter Habbo and TF2 and get to the core of where people are playing (and paying).
Me too, @yoshimitz707 - but did you every purchase any credits/items? Why/why not? You probably can't answer my survey if you don't still use it, but your opinion here is still valid.
Yes @NTM , I did ask about art in games! I've heard of Dead Space but am not familiar with the economy of it- can you purchase virtual items in it? (If not, that answers your question about why I chose Team Fortress!) I've not checked out the artwork for it either- it's probably not my kind of area, but it would be cool to come up the concept for the story line :)
Also, what was the point you were making about 'the avatar and who's really behind it'- sounds interesting. I doubt many people in Habbo look like their avatar, but then that's the beauty of being able to use virtual items to express your [chosen] identity. Too deep for the word-count of my essay sadly!!
@project343 - I like that quote!
Yeah I heard about that @Ravenlight - I've not checked the figures but they probably did lose a load! Although the average age of players is quite low, so there's probably a quick turn-around of players! The majority of people in there now probably weren't around when that was happening.. And anyway, there are way too many beauty comps and "hot datez" clubs to enter to worry about things like that... LOLZ!!!!
On a side note, I must mention as I entered Habbo today (purely for research purposes, although I can feel my 11 year old self kicking in...) that a young boy (he may have been 60, who knows) approached me and asked "Do you like engines cos I've got a crankshaft for ya"... Not satisfied with my laughing in his face, he proceeded to ask many other girls (or boys, who knows) in the room. What a horrible (yet humorous) place!!
...a VERY long shot...
But if you do, please fill in my questionnaire:
It's to compare with my data from the Team Fortress questionnaire (thank you if you filled it in).. I know this isn't the ideal place to look for Habbo Hotel users, but it's worth a go!
I see @MysteriousBob - are you referring to why you buy virtual items in general? (Sorry, I can't remember if I asked you a specific question!). Are you saying that by purchasing and wearing unique virtual items, you are establishing your identity and so other players know that it is you, and not just some random player behind the Spy mask, who killed them? In a sense, does a more unique identity provide you with the recognition you deserve for playing well? As for the Xbox avatar accessories- I shall be touching on that briefly in my essay. Do you have any ideas what would drive people to purchase such items?
Thank you again @Catfish666 - that's all very interesting stuff for me to think about! I think I will touch on WoW, especially since you can now purchase virtual items. You're also right about being more thorough with 2 games examples than many- quality over quantity! Also, I think the reason you cannot complete my survey is because it only allows 100 responses (I'm a cheapskate and won't pay for the premium account! (Perhaps I could add that into my essay?!)) - and I now have 100 responses. However, your opinions here are still very valid!
Thanks @iam3green - that helps with my debate about time spent v money spent
Thank you @Ravenlight -I've added Diablo 3 to the list of other games I might refer to. I see it's made by Blizzard- will it follow any of the rules of WoW or is it to be a different style, in terms of the economy (hence the outcry?)
I'm assuming that's sarcasm, @AhmadMetallic , but I shall respond anyhow!!
Sorry @TheDudeOfGaming - I'm engaged!
haha, thank @EuanDewar - As if you found my blog (or youtube?). I'm guessing you typed jellyelbows into google...
Good question, @CrimsonNoir - It's because my course is BA (Hons) Graphic Design, and you cannot be award an Honours degree without completing some form of written work (I guess presenting a pile of visual work is not worthy enough of a degree!) So we must write a dissertation which is around 10,000 words :)
We could write it on any subject related to design/globalisation etc.. Many people have chosen more design specific topics, such as the legibility of typefaces, but I wanted to research something a little more contemporary (and interesting?!). But yes we do have the option of 'making it look pretty' and presenting the essay graphically.
I think that's the view of most people, @shadows_kill - although perhaps viewing the store's contents may tempt you into wanting to buy something? Shops are very clever at doing that...
Thanks @SerHulse - that's a very interesting comparison and I will probably research WoT further and use it in my essay. The point about frustration v impatience is also very interesting.
Thanks @Christoffer - I haven't thought about DLC much as it's harder to compare it to 'real life' items (although I suppose you could argue that 'experiences' in life may be DLC?!) I have heard that there is a lot of debate about it, although I haven't heard that phrase before! Is it in relation to Oblivion? Is the horse's armor useless and purely for aesthetic reasons?
Thanks @Canteu - yeah, I made a mistake with the timing for game play, but a few people have put 5+ years, so I will just assume that you all are referring to Team Fortress Classic as well! An interesting point also, it seems to be the general consensus (among people who do not purchase any/many virtual items- I need to find more people who go crazy on virtual consumerism!! hehe).
You say you stopped playing TF2 for a while- are the 'rewards' that Valve put in place (such as badges for long game play, halos for those who haven't cheated) still not enough to keep you playing? (Just interested in what methods Valve might be using to try and grab hold of those about to leave the game due to items being purchasable, and whether it is working!)
Also that's an interesting point you made about the worth of an item being determined by the materials. However, could you argue that people are just as (if not more) likely to download a song rather than purchase a solid CD? (A matter of personal opinion I guess, as well as convenience...)
@mrBRIGHTDAY : hahahaha.... A beautiful interpretation. But hey- I bet it happens!!
No, you are not weird @49th . I too very much enjoy filling out questionnaires, as well as forms, such as signing up for a loyalty card or a school exam entry. I always wanted to be a travel agent so that I could fill out numerous forms... Oh, we can dream..
Anyhow, thank you for filling out mine! And thank you so much for the heads up on the Steam forum! I had no idea about this!!
Thanks @Rolyatkcinmai and @AhmadMetallic -and yes, I am not the best questionnaire writer in the world!!
Thank you also @Rattle618 , @Zyte , @TaliciaDragonsong , @dabe (haha, I did consider offering a virtual item as an ironic reward..but that would imply that I am for virtual consumerism, and sadly I must remain non-bias...) @iShayman , @ShadowVirus , @RTSlord ,@President_Barackbar , @Ravenlight
haha, thank you for your opinion @Aus_azn .. it's interesting that you think it has become unbalanced since the drops - a lot of people are saying they enjoy TF2 because it IS now balance.. I guess it is in a way, if you haven't got the time (or abillity?) on those who have been playing a long time, it is unfair to not be able to catch up. That does seem a bizarre statement though- the whole point of it is that it is a game, and those who have been playing longest should be rewarded for doing so! And don't worry, the swear words were mentally omitted :)
Thanks @shadows_kill , it's good to get a view from somebody who isn't/hasn't been dedicated to TF2 for a long time. I think what you've said is exactly what Valve were hoping for, and exactly how they're making their money! It doesn't seem like much to spend for you, but as Tesco say "Every Little Helps". Can you see yourself buying more items in the future?
Thanks @iam3green .. Do you still play WoW? Would you say that the main reason people purchase items/gold in that game is because they can't afford to put the time in? Do you think you would purchase more items in WoW if it were free to play?
That's interesting @Force0401 .. do you say that because you did purchase TF2 when it was released in Orange Box, and so you shouldn't have to pay for anything else when everybody else gets it for free? Were the items Valve offered to you for paying for it originally enough to keep you in the game? How do you feel about the item drops/shop - would you still purchase the game for £20-£30 in its current state?
Thanks @Ravenlight - yeah, I have briefly heard about external economies.. I think that's one of the most interesting things- that these virtual items, which can't be touched and don't really have any function, are worth so much REAL money..It's just about how rare it is, and how sought after it is, and all the buzz surrounding it. I guess you could say the same for things like real gold- it's not overly useful and it doesn't look THAT great, but because it's so rare, people go crazy over it.
It's interesting you should say that @jabbertrack - I would have assumed that it's the younger audience that would throw their money into a FTP game. Would you say then that, having a family and full time job, you would rather spend money on 'progressing' in a game, than 'waste' time getting there?
Oh, sorry @Catfish666 -I'm not sure why it's done that- perhaps I was only given a short amount of time to host my survey! Thank you for trying though. I think you've hit the nail on the head with the current survey results- that's exactly what my boyfriend said when I told him what the results were and where I had posted the link. Where would you suggest I find such money-wielding players?
And thank you so much for your words, they have put me at ease!! I have been getting so bogged down in all the information, panicking that I shouldn't be tackling something like TF2, worried that I can't compare it to Habbo Hotel because it's not actually a game..and I haven't even begun to write the essay yet!! But you've pretty much said exactly how I was feeling about it, and made me feel better about it in one swoop! Do you think I should bring any other comparative games into the mix..such as World of Tanks, EVE, WoW..? I think I just need to start writing it and see where it takes me- I may be back to ask your help though! Thanks again.
And thank you to everybody again for the effort you've put into helping me!! It is VERY much appreciated...