jking47

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@HellBound said:

I think, I THINK, one thing we can all agree on is how bad the media has handled this. Giving out the wrong name, posting a guy's picture, just plain not knowing the facts. Media coverage needs to change. Ruining people's lives just to say "I got the information first!!!". Hope the guy sues them for libel.

It sounds like his little brother was posting on his face book to say it wasn't him and them killed him self.

No, the little brother was the shooter, the older brother is being held by police for questioning.

@PeasantAbuse said:

@HellBound said:

I think, I THINK, one thing we can all agree on is how bad the media has handled this. Giving out the wrong name, posting a guy's picture, just plain not knowing the facts. Media coverage needs to change. Ruining people's lives just to say "I got the information first!!!". Hope the guy sues them for libel.

The fact that they are interviewing kids that were at the school is fucking mind blowing. People should be getting fired over this.

They are fucking doing what now!?! That is just fucking sick. They should be ashamed of themselves.

They are now saying Adam Lanza was the shooter, Ryan is his older brother and is being held for questioning.

@jakob187 said:

@tourgen: There are literally no confirmations or even talk of mental health issues with the shooter at this time. Throwing that into the mix does no good. If that is something that comes up, that's the time to address it. Regardless of that, it's no excuse.

The guy was pretty fucking obviously mentally ill. It not being identified is part of the problem.

I feel like the discussion really should be more about mental health care, both identification of mentally troubled people and treatment of said people. How was someone this mentally disturbed able to buy weapons, let alone be walking around in public with no supervision.

While gun laws may be a part of it, places like Switzerland have gun's in almost every home and you don't hear about stuff like this happening over there.

EVERYONE BE CIVIL!

I realize that this is an emotionally upsetting incident and it is sparking some very opinionated discussion, lets just try not to get angry at each other. It helps nothing.

@FluxWaveZ said:

@jking47 said:

20 children dead, 6 adults, and the shooter for a grand total of 27.

Yep, that seems to be the final tally... I think. Seems like information's changing by the minute, so I dunno.

I believe that is just at the school, don't think it is counting the other adult they found at the house.

20 children dead, 6 adults, and the shooter for a grand total of 27. according to the press conference right now.

@Wallzii said:

@jking47

@Ramone said:

@Nottle said:

@Ramone: Thats probably not what most people, even people that like guns, are thinking. People that don't want stricter laws don't want stuff like this to happen. They want guns for protection and they also want guns to be in the hands of those that know how to use one responsibly. They want the people operating the guns to be knowledgeable.

@JasonR86: Oh yeah. Forgot about that part.

They want guns in schools. They may not want what I said to happen but it's the only logical conclusion.

The problem with that train of thought, is that at the moment there were no guns in that school. While I am not sure which side of the issue I fall on, having no guns in the school clearly did not stop this from happening.

And having guns in a school would have prevented someone with severe mental instability from planning and carrying out the actions that took place today? Are you fucking serious? Problems are best eliminated by providing a solution to their source, not by putting a bandage on a ring several links down the chain. Access to weapons, regardless of their ease of access or legality, did not plant the seed that grew into this tragedy. Gun control is not the real issue here, and the media and general public focusing on that with such nearsightedness only lends to a dilution of what can potentially be done to rectify these social issues at the root.

I did not say that, I am just saying that RIGHT NOW there was no guns in the school and that obviously did not stop this from happening. I am not even sure where I stand on the issue, not something I think about often, don't think that I am some kind of gun advocate or anything. Personally I don't even want a gun, having something that can easily kill people or myself is not something I am interested in.

I agree with you, problems need to be eliminated at the source, which was the mental health issues of the guy. Identifying and treating mental health in children and teens seems more important to me than the gun laws, you can get guns illegally.

What is everyones opinions on Switzerland's gun laws if they believe that gun laws are to blame here?