jking47

@Bourbon_Warrior: Alright I don't know if we are even on different sides of this issue. Too much emotion around at the moment, I may have reacted rashly. I just get defensive when something about media being to blame is brought up, censorship is never the answer.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@jking47 said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@TheRealJpoe said:

There is a video on his Facebook of him & a friend playing GTA4. Get ready for Video Games to be blamed!

Man that sucks for this guy but you would have to be stupid to think video games aren't a factor, vunerable people with psychotic problems shooting people in the face in games from an early age has to do something. Kid's playing Call of Duty with levels like "No Russian" with some very realistic graphics, when I was a kid you didn't have the realism you have to today in games.

Don't be dense, realistic graphics do not make something real. When you are carrying a controller it is a pretty obvious that the things happening on screen are not real. Don't try to place the blame on video games, or for that matter any type of media.

My grandad's handicapped brother jumped out a 3rd story window thinking he could fly like superman. Don't be dense that people with mental problems aren't influenced by media. You would have to be stupid to think that playing games with levels like "No Russian" from a young age would not have an effect on your mental development.

I am sorry about your grandpa's brother, but that is kinda my point, its not the media it is the mental health issues. If it wasn't superman it could just as easily been a bird.

Alright I will agree with you there, playing that kind of things at a VERY young age may have some effects, but that is the fault of the parents for giving a young child a game like call of duty in the first place. If they are going to be playing games where you shoot people they should be of an age to where they realize the difference between that and real life.

@FengShuiGod said:

@jking47 said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@TheRealJpoe said:

There is a video on his Facebook of him & a friend playing GTA4. Get ready for Video Games to be blamed!

Man that sucks for this guy but you would have to be stupid to think video games aren't a factor, vunerable people with psychotic problems shooting people in the face in games from an early age has to do something. Kid's playing Call of Duty with levels like "No Russian" with some very realistic graphics, when I was a kid you didn't have the realism you have to today in games.

Don't be dense, realistic graphics do not make something real. When you are carrying a controller it is a pretty obvious that the things happening on screen are not real. Don't try to place the blame on video games, or for that matter any type of media.

I think he does make a point about the increasing realism of games though. Surely we can all agree that Call of Duty is more mimetic of reality than Pong. Realistic graphics do make things more real, if you will. At what point does technology progress so that video games do blur that line? /sci-fi nerd

Maybe if we get to a point where we are plugging our brains into something and running hyper realistic simulations we can have this talk, but in my opinion holding a controller and bunny hopping all over the place make it unrealistic. Even as a kid I was always able to separate fantasy from reality, from video games to movies to books, and I feel that any mentally healthy individual should be able to do the same. Now when we get into the mental health issue this blows up into a lot more variables of course, but that is an issue with identifying and treating mental health problems in children, not censorship. All just an opinion of course, take it with a grain of salt.

@Ramone said:

@Nottle said:

@Ramone: Thats probably not what most people, even people that like guns, are thinking. People that don't want stricter laws don't want stuff like this to happen. They want guns for protection and they also want guns to be in the hands of those that know how to use one responsibly. They want the people operating the guns to be knowledgeable.

@JasonR86: Oh yeah. Forgot about that part.

They want guns in schools. They may not want what I said to happen but it's the only logical conclusion.

The problem with that train of thought, is that at the moment there were no guns in that school. While I am not sure which side of the issue I fall on, having no guns in the school clearly did not stop this from happening.

@JasonR86 said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@jking47: He already did, he said he was at work. The gun men were shot no?

At least one was. It's not clear yet if there was more then one shooter.

Well I was on his facebook page and saw no post saying anything, only saw the pics floating around the internet which I assumed were taken by his friends.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@TheRealJpoe said:

There is a video on his Facebook of him & a friend playing GTA4. Get ready for Video Games to be blamed!

Man that sucks for this guy but you would have to be stupid to think video games aren't a factor, vunerable people with psychotic problems shooting people in the face in games from an early age has to do something. Kid's playing Call of Duty with levels like "No Russian" with some very realistic graphics, when I was a kid you didn't have the realism you have to today in games.

Don't be dense, realistic graphics do not make something real. When you are carrying a controller it is a pretty obvious that the things happening on screen are not real. Don't try to place the blame on video games, or for that matter any type of media.

The guys facebook just went dark. If it really wasn't him he probably should have made a public post saying so.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Degringolade said:

Gun control may not be the right answer to mass shootings. But not talking about what to do is definitely the wrong answer.

Exactly do something, I have posted this alot in these threads but the gun buyback scheme is a step in the right direction. Offer more money than the guns are worth, no questions asked scheme. Alot of illegal arms dealers would make way more money selling their guns at an inflated price to the government, than selling guns to crack heads. Worked very well in Australia in 1996. People only seem to talk about gun control when massacres happen, in 2007 266 people are shot were shot on average every day. But that isn't worth talking about apparently.

Somehow I don't think giving illegal arms dealers more money is in any way a good idea. They are arms DEALERS, so with the inflated price they can turn around and buy more guns from the less discerning places around the globe.

@FluxWaveZ said:

@TheRealJpoe said:

There is a video on his Facebook of him & a friend playing GTA4. Get ready for Video Games to be blamed!

Wow, fuck Jack Thompson. I don't even know how, but he should not be allowed to fucking talk about anything ever.

Just heard the first mention of video games....but it was in reference to the kids being able to separate this reality from stuff like games. Of fucking course they will be able to tell the difference.