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Just wanted to clarify, I think the word i was looking for is 'persistant'. I feel like if there's no persistance to the game (online servers where your characters last 'forever') i'm more likely to force myself to play one that does.

That's why i'd play PoE over Grim Dawn, since the 2 hours i invest in PoE get saved to a server where i'm now 2 hours closer to the 'end game', compared to 2 hours in Grim Dawn where when i stop playing the game, the 2 hours is 'gone'.

I hope that makes a bit more sense in trying to communicate what i meant.

Thank you everyone for all the responses though, didn't expect to get this much feedback!

A lot of it has been helpful, and it's actually led to me playing GTA 5 again for about the 5th time on my new gaming laptop, and having a blast replaying it maxed out and butter smooth framerate.

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#2  Edited By leviathan

I was wondering if I was alone in this, or if others had gone through something similar or could relate.

I remember playing games as a teen and into my 20s before multilayer was a huge thing, and I'd just play games that were fun to me. As a result, I have really fond memories of hundreds of hours spent with many games.

As I've grown older however and had less and less time for games as personal responsibilities increased, i find myself adding a 'filter of sorts when deciding which game to play.

I find myself feeling like if the game has no return on my time investment, then I won't want to play them. What I mean by this is games like WoW make me feel like I'm making good use of my time as levelling up and gearing up a char means my time invested in doing so is worthwhile in that its an mmo and it will stay 'forever' (I know in reality even wow's servers will one day be turned off). Compared to say FFVII remake where I feel reluctant to play as the time I invest doesn't 'lead anywhere'.

This same issue applies to me playing path of exile as its more online and a sense of longevity compared to playing grim dawn which is more just single player.

The issue is i feel like this approach is taking the fun and enjoyment out of it for me. For example, I feel like I would probably enjoy grim dawn more as a game over path of exile, but yet I've hardly touched it, and been playing poe instead.

Anyone else able to relate? Any tips on how to get past this? I feel like I'm not creating as great memories/connections with games now as I used to (probably because I'm not enjoying it as much as I'm forcing myself to play games that have longevity)

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@majormitch: @takayamasama: Good to know you guys also are feeling the exact same way at around about the same point in the game. Judging by what you say about the end/rest of the game, I may just delete it and call it a day. I'm not really that big of a FF fan anyway, just thought I'd give it a try so ended up buying it. Guess it's just not for me. If for some reason I feel like coming back to it, I can always just re-download it I guess.

I appreciate everyone's responses - thank you!

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@zevvion: I think you're right. I kind of feel myself in a rush to try and 'catch up', as I've still got Last Guardian ,Watch_Dogs 2, DOOM also unfinished/hardly touched.

I think I put pressure on myself to finish FFXV ASAP so that I can delete it off my HDD and make space to download more games.

My only concern in regards to coming back to it later is that I'm kind of OCD, and HATE coming back to games mid-way and not knowing wtf is going on, so I always end up just starting a new game, and can't see myself slogging through the first five chapters again.

I might try and push my way through to at least chapter 9/10, as I believe that's where things 'change' in the game, and if I'm still not liking it at that point, I'll probably just delete it and call it a day.

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So I'm about 20+ hours in, and up to Chapter 5.

I spent a lot of time trying to finish a lot of the sidequests earlier on and found myself getting bored out of my mind. I have to honestly force myself against my will to boot up FFXV and play it. I dont feel drawn to it or compelled to really play it.

As a result, I've started to just focus on the main quest and skip the side quests where possible. After finishing Chapter 5, i'm still bored out of my mind, and still have to force myself to boot it up.

I WANT to like it and finish it, but am really struggling to find the motivation. So my question is - have i experienced enough of the game where if I'm really not enjoying it now, there's no point in continuing to play it? I want to give the game a fair chance before chalking it up to 'just not for me'. If i'm still in the early stages where it's 'supposed' to be boring in that everything's still just starting to pick up in the story etc. then i'll continue to play it as there's still hope that i'll end up engrossed in it.

Or if i'm already not liking it, is it pointless to continue to force myself to play it and waste my time?

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All the people that say 'get over it' baffle the shit out of me.

Laws have clearly been broken, or at the very least potentially broken both in Australia, and evidently in the UK as well it seems.

If laws have been broken, laws have been broken. These laws are in place to protect consumers... LIKE YOU!

Why are you advocating for large corporations to think they can do whatever they want and pull the wool over consumers' (your) eyes?

You WANT to be ripped off and taken advantage of? You WANT big corporations to break the law that's there FOR YOUR BEST INTERESTS?

I seriously don't see why people are saying 'stop the whinging' 'oh this again' etc. etc.

If you're happy to be taken advantage of by big corporations that's on you. Don't tell other people not to be upset because they don't want to be taken advantage of (illegally).

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So i'm finding the online modes in forza horizon 3 to be confusing/unclear. Online adventure.. Co-op campaign... Online freeroam i think? They all seem to be just about the same thing - a group of people that all run around doing the one event together, or random non-campaign events, I don't really understand the clear defined differences between each of the online game modes.

What i would like, is to have real people driving around my map in free roam situations, but just race against the cpu for actual events. (I tried co-op campaign, and you can't just start events whenever you like, only the leader of the session can start events, which is not what i'm looking for). Do any of the online game modes provide what i'm looking for?

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#8  Edited By leviathan

@grillbar said:

people complaining about no mans sky are kinda stupid if you ask me. for multiple reasons. especially since it works just fine, it just didnt live up to your expectation.

Isn't not living up to expectation essentially the below definition? (assuming the expectation has been made through official marketing etc of the product - i.e. what a reasonable person could expect from the product, not the consumer creating the expectation themselves)

33 Misleading conduct as to the nature etc. of goods

A person must not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that is liable to mislead the public as to the nature, the manufacturing process, the characteristics, the suitability for their purpose (network play) or the quantity of any goods.

Note: A pecuniary penalty may be imposed for a contravention of this section.

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#9  Edited By leviathan

I'm glad more people aren't just classifying this as NMS 'moaning' and actually seeing the point to all of this.

@veektarius and @audiobusting you're completely correct. The refund policy is the larger issue here, but the fact that me and other people who felt misled by NMS have no recourse for a refund is what feeds back in to proving my point about the refund policy. I'm glad people can see consumer laws are there to prevent consumers, and not just saying 'this is why you never pre-order etc etc'.

@magnetphonics You're correct. Basically Valve stated they weren't entitled to refunds, when in fact they were. Exact same thing applies to Sony's refund policy. Their refund policy states you are not entitled to a refund once you've begun downloading the game, but legally, you SHOULD be entitled to a refund if the product breaches consumer law. However, it should be noted that the ACCC took action against Valve after 4 consumers complained to the ACCC regarding the refund policy. If any other aussies agree with my points, please file a complaint with the ACCC citing the information in my original post. Additionally, in terms of the 'network play' notation - i'd say it's more misleading to consumers (whether intentionally or unintentionally) as it leads consumers to expect network PLAY is a feature of the product, not simply network FEATURES, which seems to be the case.

As someone who works in legal compliance in finance, i'm extremely cautious about the organisation I work for not making any potentially misleading comments or assertions or anything that can be construed as breaching the corporations act, because.... laws. Sony seem to not give a fck, and basically laugh in the face of Australian law (by applying a blanket refund policy across multiple countries, and not doing the due diligence of ensuring that policy is compliant in all affected countries), which I find appalling.

For anyone curious - I'm still waiting for Sony Support to provide me with the recording of the call I had with them where they encouraged me to proceed with ACCC/VCAT/Consumer Affairs action in the hopes that it will spur Sony Europe Head Office to doing the right thing, as they completely agree with my points and why I feel I am legally owed a refund.

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@soulcake said:

THE LAW ! I AM THE LAW ! (Sony sends over its army of lawyers )

Sure, because it's unheard of for big corporations to be negligent and break the law or do the wrong thing. I mean we've NEVER seen product recalls of defective products or misleading consumers. The recent massive Volkswagen emissions scandal must have just been a fever dream.

What exactly is the point of your post? To be sarcastic and poke fun at me for passing on the advice given to me directly by the government bodies responsible for regulating the Australian Consumer Law?

Im interested - Other than arrogance, what gives you such an in-depth understanding of the Australian Law to the extent that you think you know better than the government bodies above?

I read someone post in the Deus Ex forums that 'not every game engine works the same way'. That same logic applies to the legal system. Not every country's legal system works the same way. It's pretty ignorant to poke fun at someone else just because their legal system differs from yours, which is pretty ironic since i'm assuming that's what the intent of your original post was (to say i'm ignorantly thinking 'i am the law')?

Prime example of the securities arm of Australia's biggest bank (Commonwealth Bank of Australia) being fined today for not doing the right thing (ASIC is the equivalent of ACCC but for the finance industry). Not saying the two situations are in any way the same, just trying to make a point that massive corporations stuff up all the time - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-02/commsec-to-pay-penalty-1.1-million-in-refunds/7809276