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@demokk said:

@liquidprince: "Recorded history" isn't all there is, it is just what was dominant at the time. Not to mention that there are hundreds, if not thousands of different cultures right now. And some of them happen to be matriarchal. Another link.

Not every culture finds the same features attractive, and even in western culture, most of the people are not even close to the exaggerated ideal of beauty that we see in media.

No offense, but that is sort of an asinine comment. Recorded history may not be the whole truth, and in fact it may be a complete lie, but it is the only thing we have to go on. You cannot make assumptions of what cultures outside of recorded history deemed attractive. Either way, that is irrelevant because at a biological level (not accounting for the minority or abnormality) women in the cultures that we do in fact have a record on have always been deemed as the fairer sex. Meaning they were the gender of beauty, of frailty, and of motherly love. If you want to argue that that is not an accurate representation of all women and that there should be more variety, then we may have something to discuss, but again, not accounting for modern issues of gender identity, men are men and women are women. We are different creatures and the way we are presented in media will always be different.

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@spraynardtatum: I have no idea how people go around saying Korra is a good show.

As a kids show it fails miserably, I've mentioned this somewhere else too but all my cousins to whom I introduced the original, finished it on their own. And to whom I subsequently force fed Korra Season 1 did not watch any of the rest of the episodes on their own(or if they did they were disappointed). The financial failure should be enough proof that the intended audience did not like it.

The problem is people focus too much on "female protagonist" and "homosexual themes" and ignore how terrible the show is. They have no clear goal like the original(first episode establishes that the last episode will be defeating the fire lord). Element development, each season Aang develops an element gradually, in contrast Korra just randomly learns all 4 to an unspecified level with barely any character development in the process. Aang journeys the world meets and inspires people who later help him on his journey, Korra is just in a few towns hanging out with the nobility and worrying about her social life(okay she spends 2-3 episodes in a forest in the last season). As soon as any kind of opposition gets traction within the next 3-4 episodes they are nailed back down. They try and do a thing with idealism in each season but the level to which they discuss each theme is so shallow and generic that it might as well be that the villains come and say "I am the third villain and I have ideology 3".

Its like people don't even remember how much character the older characters had. Aang was curious and playful and socially awkward, most of his development occurs with mastering the elements and understanding why people do what they do. Sokka starts out as awkward and without much skill and gradually develops his sword technique and gadgetry until he becomes a confident individual by the end of it. Katara is the serious in the group who tries to keep things together, you see her get jealous of Aang's abilities with the elements at times but she pushes through and learns blood bending on an even higher level than he does. I don't even need to mention Zuko who is probably one of the best developed characters in the history of animation.

There is NO parallel to this kind of character development in Korra. You can barely describe most characters as anything other than "nice" and "heroic". Do that red letter media test on them, describe them without making reference to their role in the story.

It really annoys me that people get misdirected by political correctness, and can't seem to judge things objectively.

I've also called you out on your BS argument elsewhere. Just because your test group of family members failed to enjoy the show means squat diddly when there are literally MILLIONS of kids who did enjoy the show. Even aside from that, Korra was intended as a sequel for the fans of the Last Airbender, most of whom had by the time its release grown up a considerable amount. And the thing is, we already went through the journey of the Avatar mastering the different elements with Aang, and to do it again with Korra would have been unnecessary. In fact by making her already adept at three of the four main elements as even a young child was a great way of informing her character traits and personality as well as highlighting the difference between her and Aang. As individual villains, Amon, Unalaq, Zaheer and Kuvira were infinitely better characters then Ozai. Ozai was a great threatening force but lacked much in the way of personality and served the purpose of being the thing that drove the story forward, giving the writers time to establish what the ATLAB world was like. But that stuff has all been established by the time of Korra, and instead the focus becomes writing great stories in this universe. Each villain reflected on Korra and the new world in an interesting way. Amon wanted equality, Unalaq wanted the return of the spirits, Zaheer wanted chaos and Kuvira wanted order.

The reason that Aang may seem more likable is that he was a reluctant hero and an underdog, and those stories work really well, especially if it is in the service of building a new world. Korra however is brash and needed to be torn down and taught humility. That process is a lot more complex and required a lot more of a subtle story telling method which caters to older people.

So it was intended as a sequel... therefore it should be trying to hit the same points? Then why does it not?

I literally said the exact opposite of what you got out of it. I don't understand how you could misunderstand what I said so badly in the first line of your retort.

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@liquidprince said:

I still find arguments like this a bit ridiculous. It's human nature to see females as the fairer sex. They always have been and they always will be. There is difference between the masculinity of men and the femininity of women, and in their idealized forms, they will not be presented the same. Sure we live in an era now where ideas of gender identity are always being questioned, but there is a simple beauty in how games strive to idealize both their male and female protagonists. Curves should be celebrated and muscles appreciated. This idea that men and women shouldn't be portrayed differently is crazy. Male characters are just as cut and perfect looking as female characters. Even Marcus Fenix, whom you refer to as an ugly dude isn't really that ugly in the context of that world. He's battle worn and scarred, but good looking when compared to his peers.

"Human nature" has to be the newest cop out way of saying "It has always been like this. Don't question it". It turns out that there are many more cultures than just the western English-speaking world, and as expected, they have very different ways of looking at the human body and "beauty". That description that you are going with is just the western perspective that the media powerhouses have imposed on the world.

That's some hot BS. The expectations and standards of what is considered beautiful vary from place to place, but that doesn't mean that in any of those places, women haven't always been considered the fairer sex. Go back and look at art from any culture from most any period of recorded history and compare the representation of women to those of men.

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@spraynardtatum: I have no idea how people go around saying Korra is a good show.

As a kids show it fails miserably, I've mentioned this somewhere else too but all my cousins to whom I introduced the original, finished it on their own. And to whom I subsequently force fed Korra Season 1 did not watch any of the rest of the episodes on their own(or if they did they were disappointed). The financial failure should be enough proof that the intended audience did not like it.

The problem is people focus too much on "female protagonist" and "homosexual themes" and ignore how terrible the show is. They have no clear goal like the original(first episode establishes that the last episode will be defeating the fire lord). Element development, each season Aang develops an element gradually, in contrast Korra just randomly learns all 4 to an unspecified level with barely any character development in the process. Aang journeys the world meets and inspires people who later help him on his journey, Korra is just in a few towns hanging out with the nobility and worrying about her social life(okay she spends 2-3 episodes in a forest in the last season). As soon as any kind of opposition gets traction within the next 3-4 episodes they are nailed back down. They try and do a thing with idealism in each season but the level to which they discuss each theme is so shallow and generic that it might as well be that the villains come and say "I am the third villain and I have ideology 3".

Its like people don't even remember how much character the older characters had. Aang was curious and playful and socially awkward, most of his development occurs with mastering the elements and understanding why people do what they do. Sokka starts out as awkward and without much skill and gradually develops his sword technique and gadgetry until he becomes a confident individual by the end of it. Katara is the serious in the group who tries to keep things together, you see her get jealous of Aang's abilities with the elements at times but she pushes through and learns blood bending on an even higher level than he does. I don't even need to mention Zuko who is probably one of the best developed characters in the history of animation.

There is NO parallel to this kind of character development in Korra. You can barely describe most characters as anything other than "nice" and "heroic". Do that red letter media test on them, describe them without making reference to their role in the story.

It really annoys me that people get misdirected by political correctness, and can't seem to judge things objectively.

I've also called you out on your BS argument elsewhere. Just because your test group of family members failed to enjoy the show means squat diddly when there are literally MILLIONS of kids who did enjoy the show. Even aside from that, Korra was intended as a sequel for the fans of the Last Airbender, most of whom had by the time its release grown up a considerable amount. And the thing is, we already went through the journey of the Avatar mastering the different elements with Aang, and to do it again with Korra would have been unnecessary. In fact by making her already adept at three of the four main elements as even a young child was a great way of informing her character traits and personality as well as highlighting the difference between her and Aang. As individual villains, Amon, Unalaq, Zaheer and Kuvira were infinitely better characters then Ozai. Ozai was a great threatening force but lacked much in the way of personality and served the purpose of being the thing that drove the story forward, giving the writers time to establish what the ATLAB world was like. But that stuff has all been established by the time of Korra, and instead the focus becomes writing great stories in this universe. Each villain reflected on Korra and the new world in an interesting way. Amon wanted equality, Unalaq wanted the return of the spirits, Zaheer wanted chaos and Kuvira wanted order.

The reason that Aang may seem more likable is that he was a reluctant hero and an underdog, and those stories work really well, especially if it is in the service of building a new world. Korra however is brash and needed to be torn down and taught humility. That process is a lot more complex and required a lot more of a subtle story telling method which caters to older people.

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So can people tell me, without spoilers, whether or not Madoka Magica has a depressing ending or not? I know that it is subversive and that it twists the magical girl genre in interesting ways, but as someone who's only ever seen Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors when I was younger, I'm not super well versed in the genre. I've heard it likened to Full Metal Alchemist, but even with all the depressing shit that happened in FMA, the ending was still a fairly upbeat thing, and I really enjoyed that. I just wanna know if I'm gonna feel super depressed and shitty before purchasing the Blu-ray's.

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@downloaded: Except that you are in fact wrong. For most of the earlier periods of recorded art the goal of the artists was to depict the human form in the most idealized way. Look at something like the Oath of Horatii, where there is an overwhelming sense of tragedy, and yet the pinnacle of idealization. The three male characters stand in a solid triangular shape, representing masculinity at its finest. The concept of creating life not as it is, but how we want it to be far predates the modern concepts of portraying life as it truly is, flaws and all. Even your example for the Mona Lisa is incorrect since when that work was being created on it was never considered a good looking piece of art mostly because it was never in actuality finished. Game characters are modern day sculptures so they harken back to the art of antiquity.

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I still find arguments like this a bit ridiculous. It's human nature to see females as the fairer sex. They always have been and they always will be. There is difference between the masculinity of men and the femininity of women, and in their idealized forms, they will not be presented the same. Sure we live in an era now where ideas of gender identity are always being questioned, but there is a simple beauty in how games strive to idealize both their male and female protagonists. Curves should be celebrated and muscles appreciated. This idea that men and women shouldn't be portrayed differently is crazy. Male characters are just as cut and perfect looking as female characters. Even Marcus Fenix, whom you refer to as an ugly dude isn't really that ugly in the context of that world. He's battle worn and scarred, but good looking when compared to his peers.

If a game creator decides that they want to make a super crusty war torn looking woman as their main character, then they are totally free to do that since it is their vision for their game. However on the flip side, making idealized avatars for the players to control is equally valid. Rarely did you see sculptures and other works of art not displaying the human form perfectly. It was always the goal of art to hand pick the greatest elements from humanity and merge them together. It's how we ended up with stuff like the David. This guys talks about it better then I:

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@bluefalcon said:

@hurricaneivan29: ...missing the point.

Not really. Saying yes and then implying I'm an idiot doesn't help anyone. It's a zero-effort comment that you made just to subtly boast about your know-how. But thanks, I guess.

@tuxfool: I'm getting my internet through a 3rd-party ISP, who gets their internet juice from Rogers. According to them, and Rogers as well, I have to buy a specific supported router in order to use their service, just like I had to buy a specific modem as well. The router they've been okayed by Rogers to use is about $40. Is that "inexpensive" relative to other routers? I really just want netflix access from my consoles. Would I be better off buying a DVI-to-HDMI cable and hooking that up to my TV, instead of trying to connect the consoles themselves to the internet?

The whole needing specific routers thing is nonsense. However $40 is a very cheap price for a router, which means if all you need it for it to basically be a splitter for multiple hard connections, you'll be fine. For reference my router cost over $200, but that is because it's a new fangled AC router that is designed to output maximum signal distance, seeing as my house has shitty seemingly dead reception areas.

@the_nubster: or how about I do neither since you've been so rude?

You've already done neither, so what the hell are you still doing here? Either try and be helpful, or stay silent. You're just coming off as rude smug person at the moment.

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One piece: I have a soft spot for this one. I like the characters when they're not being scandered (*cough* Ussop *cough*). I enjoy the world building and sense of continuity unparralled by any media I'm aware of. Been following the show for years now even though the recent arcs have been nothing but disapointment after disapointment.

The last few arcs have been fucking amazing. I do recommend that you try not to watch on a week to week basis though. The arcs seem much more entertaining when you can sit down and plow through a ton of episodes back to back.

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I might've considered it, but my 3DS is that Pikachu one that has gotten fairly rare, so I can't in good conscience.

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@liquiddragon: One Piece movie 6 and 10 are perfectly good stand alone movies, but 11 might require a bit more back story. As for Afro Samurai, there is no series. Afro Samurai was just two movies. The first movie was broken up into five single episodes in some regions, but can also be viewed in movie form. The second movie was just released in movie form every where.