@meestero: As a resident Monk. I am still very not pleased at the Dark Knight story. If you want to talk about SE cloning class mechanics and screwing over classes. Monk and Dark Knight is the prime example over Machinist and Bard.
Dark Knight rose not by competing for a tank slot but by devaluing a Monk in the melee dps slot. Taking the most contested slot and turning it into a no brainier.
No amount of class tuning is going to change Monks position until next expansion. No matter how good of a job Monk is it will remain one of the least desirable raid classes. Which is crazy considering Monk is probably objectively the best job behind Warrior. But as long as the gap between Monk and the other melee is smaller than the gap between DRK and the other tanks. As PLD are never going to be WAR level it is not happening.
This is actually something I actually deeply agree with and didn't figure out until later why Monks were disappearing from raid comps. The only utility monks offer to a group now is a stronger version of Mantra, and removing Dragon Kick and putting it on Dark Knights was a very bad move. It would have to take a lot, like the Dragoon retooling in Heavensward to have them become more accepted in compositions once again.
I mean my group runs triple melee with all three of the melee classes in the group at the moment (I have to run A7S as a SMN only because we cannot cheese the caster cage), and out of all thee of the classes I would want to have replaced for a caster, it would definitely be the Monk.
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