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Have seen some footage for console and pc now and yeah... I'm going to stick to waiting. I'll just treat the eventual "enhanced edition" release that comes loaded with patches and additional content as the actual release. I've got too much going on and too many other games to really want to rush into this one. Hope those that do pick it up are able to enjoy it without anything game breaking.

This feels kinda like an Andromeda situation where the expectations are going to come crashing down so I'm just going to wait it out. I'd rather play when it's at its best state than join in on all of the chaos this time.

Feels like it was pretty clear they were not wanting base console footage to get out there pre-release when they did everything they could to keep review channels from having access to console performance.

I've heard a range of issues reported from crashes to graphical issues enough to where it sounds like this is probably something to avoid if you are on an original base console. Maybe a consideration too if you're on the upgrade. Sounds like PS5 and xbox series x have been okay if not held back by the actual compatibility release for those not being out yet.

Basically, if you're on console, do thorough research before buying. It's not one to just buy on a whim or you may run into a state that isn't up to your own definition of playable.

Here's some example shenanigans from a console user (not me) for anyone who wants a few laughs.

https://m.imgur.com/a/zNp7y0D

@sarcasticmudcrab: Honest question after trying to parse this conversation. Your initial post was telling people that if they don't buy the game because of crunch they should probably not do other things because of crunch because crunch exists everywhere like at a restaurant. But now you're saying not all crunch is equal and to not use the word like it is equal in all cases, right? Given your example that some team of 20 people could crunch because they want to. So how does your first point make any sense when set beside what you're saying now. Why would someone who says " I don't like the way CDPR handled crunch (or even I don't like the way the video game industry thandles crunch), I'm not going to buy their game" have to be told by you that they should also not eat at restaurants if you yourself believe not all crunch is equally negative. By your own words, one could pick and choose which crunch seems more acceptable because it isn't a blanket negative, and yet you opened your original post with if you ban a game because of crunch don't eat at restaurants either (aka treat it like a blanket negative).

Also you're way too fixated on pinning social media anger on people and lack of intelligence on people instead of actually, you know, conversing.

Hah I never realized that, but that is pretty great. Credit to the original team that at least tried to get it close.

@bleichman: To be honest I think it's just the extreme takes on this that think they intentionally did it. The majority of opinions I've seen have settled more in the "this is pretty negligent" camp. I wouldn't focus entirely on people who are taking the excessive opinion of CDPR wanting to kill epileptics because 1. Those are pretty unreasonable takes and 2. It distracts from the message the writer is trying to get out there.

@justin258: I mentioned this in an earlier post but it's worth noting that the writer describes the lights differently than what we see in the trailer. As red and white instead of just the white we see in the June trailer. It's possible the content shown in the trailer is different in the final release as often as that happens. I would not be surprised if the trailer did not cause issues but the current state of the scene has an altered potential to do so.

@djredbat: And why do you think what you're saying changes the conversation? Genuinely trying to understand the purpose of responding to someone's PSA on a health issue the experienced with a game in this way.

Let's assume a very small percent of players are affected because that does seem likely given the general number of people with epilepsy. However, is it not worth discussing and raising awareness about? Is it not worth CDPR adding an additional warning or adding accessibility options that adjust the sequence causing the issue? Is one person saying "hey I had an issue with this specific event moreso than in some other games so be careful" to help others who are also susceptible really a problem worth brushing off as you are? The writer even describes other games that have caused issues to help set a benchmark. Maybe someone who's also struggled with similar games can look at that and say hey maybe I should be extra careful this time.

You're saying that it'll only affect a small portion of people as if that changes anything. It doesn't have to risk the health of a majority of players for it to matter. Even one person harming themselves without proper warning is far too many. We're talking about health risks to other human beings. Which again I reiterate, what is your point to say Oh probably not a big deal cause only some people will deal with it. Is it really just to let us know that you don't care that much?

Does it really have to be at the level of hundred of players in mass for you to care enough to think it's more than "not a big deal"? Guess that's where I don't understand your position or the point you're trying to make. No one is claiming everybody is going to get hurt playing this game.

@djredbat: May want to re-read the article. The writer had a seizure. And they also stated that it was flashing red and white lights which doesn't match with the footage of it that we saw back in June. It's possible the light pattern has changed since June.

Also, not all strobing lights are equal. The properties of it are significant. There's a reason why some strobe lights are relatively safer and others are not. It's not just a simple lights flash in all kinds of things what's the big deal situation.

Worth re-iterating: seizures are serious and can be life threatening. Especially in gaming environments since gaming is often a solo experience. Imagine someone getting a seizure in their apartment at night alone playing the game. That has to be avoided on CDPR's part.

@efesell: Very true either way.