Mike76x

@AjayRaz said:

@Hunter5024 said:

Just thought I'd let everyone know that Harada confirmed that the swimsuits would be included for male characters, and Kuma too! Still no word on Snoop Dogg. More on this as it develops.

does that mean like, they get like board shorts and stuff? if so, that's fucking awesome.

Loin cloths and speedos.

The panda gets a one-piece too.

@TheCowman said:

And again; it's a frickin' toaster oven. It has no understanding of right and wrong or guilt. That's kinda the whole point. Synthetics, like the Catalyst, can't understand why things like the Reapers are wrong. To them, saving the combined knowledge of the races would be perfectly acceptable since information is pretty much all they are.

To something that operates on that kind of logic, saying their solution no longer works is the equivalent to owning up to a mistake. Of course it doesn't feel guilty, because that's a human emotion and it's not human.

It's not a toaster, as Mass Effect has been showing us repeatedly that synthetic life, is life.

Synthetics have emotions, Edi loves and feels protective of Joker, Legion admires Shepard, the Geth want to live and find their place in the universe and still care for the Quarians.

Sounds pretty humany.

SPOOOOOOOOOOOON!

@Vinny_Says said:

@MikeGosot said:

@nosiwohL said:

Well, I did shoot him in the Extended Cut and, uh, things ended poorly. I mean to say, that ending is by far the shittiest.

Rejection is the best ending, dude.

But why do they still have a screen that says "Congratulations on bringing an end to the reaper threat. Commander Shepard has become a legend." when you beat the game?

Liara's time capsule is able to warn future generations to not build AI and maybe avoid the Citadel completely.

Proving the Reapers could've just shown up and said, "if you build AI we'll kill you all."

Which is stupid because in the past 2 cycles the Reapers caused the AI rebellions which lead to "them being needed to kill the organics that created the synthetics"

Which is again stupid because after killing the organics, they would still then need to kill the synthetics.

Why not kill the synthetics then tell the organics, "Don't do that shit again."

On top of all that other stupid, the Reapers then choose to make this whole pile of bullshit plan secret so organics will never learn from mistakes of past civilizations, making the Reapers doubly accountable for the "need" for these stupid cycles.

@Mikemcn said:

I finished mass effect and the big question I have is,

WHY THE FUCK IS STAR CHILD NOT THE ENEMY?

• That guy orchestrated the deaths of uncountable organic species and civilizations
• he created the reapers and let them do their work
• he played god and decided that Organics and synethtics couldn't play nice when Shepard had proved, through EDI and the Geth (If you were paragon) that they absolutely could.
• he's a synthetic himself, unleashed upon the universe by some unnamed ancient race who thought they were helping.

The ending should have been to shoot that bastard and end his control of all this nonsense, or something to that effect. He tried to manipulate you into either killing all synthetic life, forcing them to do your bidding rather than let them be free, or to take all beings in the galaxy and completely transform them into something they did not ask to become. (Through the extended cut you find it's not so bad as that but at the point where you need to make a choice, thats what he tells you)

Clearly he's a real bad dude and Kowtowing to him was not what should have happened. Will they potentially have you face off with him in a future game?

Star Kid is a load of crap, because he was created to be an indoctrination dream. That's why he looks like "the kid" and that's why he makes no fucking sense.

They didn't have time to find a real writer to fix the ending so they made it stupid.

"I'm the Catalyst" No the Citadel is the Catalyst. No organic in the history of time knew this kid, so they couldn't have him labelled on the Crucible blueprints.

The Reapers are his solution, but if you pick a different solution he is affected as if he is a Reaper. He has a Reaper voice. He's a Reaper?

What is he really? He can't do anything but stand there and talk. There was literally no thought put in to this "character", because he was never meant to be a character.

"No you can't (keep your own forms) without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics."

But you can shoot that thing over there and kill all of us, or grab that glowy thing and make us your puppets.

ALL ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS NEED TO BE HARVESTED!!!

or not...whatever.

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.


• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.


• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.


• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

This was posted on the Bioware boards in the thread: Hate the Extended Cut - SPOILERS

I had a pair of swords named "Deadric sword of flaming awesome".

@EXTomar said:

It isn't a stupid gripe but an honest critique of the logic. Synthetics are dangerous so "the solution" according to the yammering Star Child is to create even more nightmarish synthetic beings built upon organic beings to wipe them all out. Exactly what does this solve? Why can't the player (or anyone else for that matter) ask that question?

Which reminds me, does Javik ever mention if there was a synthetic threat that necessitated The Reapers to act during his cycle? He might have but it escapes me for the moment. It sounds to me like writers or the star child just don't care.

From the Mass Effect Wiki:

"The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely."

Of course once again Reaper kid is proven wrong.

1. The Zha turned themselves into synthetics, not rebelling against "the creator"

2. The Reapers caused the organic vs synthetic conflict in the first place

3. The synthetic threat was eliminated and did not require Reaper "assistance" to save organics.

This was actually discussed on the Bioware forums a few months ago, pretty funny.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10566346/1

@Brodehouse said:

@Mike76x said:

@Brodehouse said:

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@Brodehouse said:

I think people need to keep that in mind when they say "the Catalyst isn't being reasonable!" well no fucking duh, that's why he made the Reapers. Because he's taking a complicated moral situation and applying soulless machine logic to it. Shepard straight up says "You don't understand organics, we don't want to be 'saved', not like this". It's actually a great counterpoint to Legion's loyalty mission, where Shepard applies common human (and organic) morality to the geth, who rejects it as being inapplicable. The Catalyst has done the same to all organic life, never understanding that being turned into Reapers is the opposite of 'saving' them. He sees creativity as a purely destructive force, and so has cut technology and every civilization off at the Mass Effect Age for millions and millions of years (that's the genius of the title, it refers to every cycle that has come before it). If you think he's wrong, THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT.

If Reaper-kid was completely logical answer this.

Which do you think is more logical? :

A: Create an armada of living spaceships and have them hide in the dark space on the edge of the galaxy waiting thousands of years for the day an advanced civilization will create artificial lifeforms.

Then when those lifeforms are created have your armada terrorize all the advanced civilizations of the galaxy by sending wave after wave of indoctrinated creature, and corrupted artificial lifeforms to kill them for no apparent reason. While the advanced civilizations are still reeling from the earlier attacks, the armada arrives and spends a few hundred years wiping out all advanced lifeforms throughout the galaxy.

Killing billions, torturing, terrorizing twisting living creatures into mindless slaves, destroying knowledge, history and culture and turn those civilizations into cream-filling.

Organic goop preserved in Reaper tupperware for all of history for exactly no one to care about or share with.

or

B: Show up and say: "Don't build any robots or we'll fucking kill you!"

(which is essentially what the reject ending is)

Keeping with the point; if you felt like the Catalyst had the right idea all along, there really wouldn't be much of a game. You have to disagree with the Reapers methods otherwise you wouldn't bother to stop them. Consider Sovereign, he basically stated "we're gonna kill you because that's the way it is" and no one got mad about his 'logic'. The core conceit to any villain is a twisted logic that hurts more than it saves. No villain thinks they're the villain. Your example, the Catalyst warning civilization about himself and threatening them to creative sterility.. I guarantee you it would fail, people would either a) immediately rise against him out of fear, or b) end up creating new technology anyway, because that's kind of how civilization works. We can't help but solve the problems of our day, we're naturally creative, and he is not. That's his problem. He cannot allow technology to surpass the Mass Effect era for fear that the singularity will end all life (compare a scientist in 40s sabotaging atomic research out of fear of its destructive potential). His concern (the chaotic nature of advancing technology is potentially dangerous) is valid, but his solution is horrific for the organics who suffer it ("They disapproved."). But he doesn't see it that way, he thinks that by melting them into goo and making them into space shellfish, he's saving the galaxy. He's WRONG, but that's the POINT.

The Catalyst is the Citadel not Reaper-kid. The "catalyst" was the missing piece the crucible connected to...which was the Citadel. The ghost of indoctrinations past can say he is the catalyst, but that's just bad writing.

No one questioned Sovereign because he was the games main villain, and we didn't know his motivations. It was clear that he didn't consider humans worthy to spend time giving thoughtful answers.

The reject ending contradicts your belief that warning future civilizations not to build AI wouldn't work, because that's exactly what happens. Liara's time capsule warns the next cycle, and they're Reaper free because of it.

He straight up says he's the Catalyst. Either he's lying or that's what he is. The Crucible needs the Catalyst to fire; and you can't use it without him.

The reject ending doesn't contradict anything, it proved exactly what I said. I don't know how you reached that conclusion. Warning them about the Reapers made them prepare to fight the Reapers; exactly what I said it would do. If the Catalyst popped in and said "hey don't build robots or we'll come Reap ya" it wouldn't stop the civilizations from building AI or synthetic beings, it would just provoke them into preparing for a Reaper war.

What I'm finding mind-boggling is people go "synthesis, that sounds weird and dumb, all I want to do is destroy the Reapers... I better pick synthesis. Oh this is weird and dumb!" If all you wanted to do was destroy the reapers and win, why didn't you pick destroy?

He says he's the Catalyst because of bad writing.

Shepard is the first organic to find Reaper-kid, how could he be referenced by someone with no knowledge of him?

Were there "Starchild.wav " files on the Citadel? Did the Protheans find some .txt files for Reaper DLC?

The Crucible needed the Citadel to fire, Reapy Jr. just told you how to use it and contradict everything he just told you.

He's just there and can't actually do anything, he can't activate the Crucible, he couldn't open the arms to help Sovereign. All he does is spout gibberish and use his scary voice if you refuse his B.S.

He states that as absolute fact "No you can't (keep your own forms) without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics."

But you can shoot that thing over there and kill all of us, or grab that glowy thing and make us your puppets.

He says in no uncertain terms, ALL ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS NEED TO BE HARVESTED!!!

or not...whatever.

The original ending wasn't their "vision".

The original visionary left, and the ending didn't work as they planned.

They ended the game in the middle of the unfinished indoctrination "reveal" and destroyed the universe they claimed to care about.