I picked up both of these games from a local shop nearly a year ago as part of my "try out N64 fighting games" thing. Both of these games play as awkward as they look, no matter how much time is put into them. I also can't find any scanned manuals or anything, so I don't know if there really is any hidden depth to them.One interesting thing about Deadly Arts is the create-a-character system, which allows you to fully-customize a character's appearance and movelist from scratch. You start with no combos or anything and have to "train" against CPU opponents to learn new moves (one at a time, and only by defeating them). I have no idea how this works, as I remember learning a move or two and suddenly not be able to learn any new moves (only moves that replace the other one).Can't wait to see them try out other N64 gems, like Dark Rift and Dual Heroes.